Morgentaler ,,,,,DEAD !

[Kreskin]

It's a biased right that can be used for screwball purposes like spite, revenge, monetary gain or worse.

If a woman decides she wants to produce babies for cash adoptions for tremendous financial gain by being an easy hosebag, what percentage would the male who was unknowingly being used as breed stock be entitled to if he found out?

The fact that it's based on the "straw man of the Person" and not the reality of which is a Human Right to Life is very flimsy

It's a very manipulative term.

You stand by the Human Right to Life when it's used to justify military actions and trade blockades, why not fully?

Corporations and Governments are Persons too.

How do you go about getting one them aborted when you can't afford one, aren't ready for one, one will make you fat or you just don't want one?

How many straw man arguments can you string together?

Your right to walk the street might be used for all those purposes too.

 

[hunboldt]

Wrong.......wrong.....seven out of ten topics.;-)

Proverbs 18:2

OOOCH...I admit I rate that one myself on occasion...

I was kicked off Catholic Match for debating that unless,a s a faith, we were prepared to either adopt our proportion of the unwanted children, or stump up enough cash to support unwed mothers to raise their children, we lacked the moral right to demand restrictions on abortion.

(So they had an 'Online Heresey Trial' of Hunboldt - not valid under canon law, but what the heck if you are a real fanatic..)

All too easy to be a Judge Hathorne...

 

[hunboldt]

Oh sure, absolutely. And then the women who were desperate enough to go to a butcher will instead shove dried seaweed up themselves at home. Or take a lethal dose of meds and wait just long enough for the fetus to be irreparably damaged before calling 911. Or, or, or....

good point- but a tough one.
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[petros]

Nonsense. We've been a single income family for the last 16+ years. Own my house outright and have two cars. It really isn't that difficult. You just have to make choices that most people aren't willing to accept.

And you live in the sticks....

 

[L Gilbert]

hhmmm, perhaps if men want the right to have a say in what women do with their innards and bodies, women should have a say in what men do with their sperm and bodies.

 

[petros]

Or pay up instead of being deadbeats.

 

[JLM]

hhmmm, perhaps if men want the right to have a say in what women do with their innards and bodies, women should have a say in what men do with their sperm and bodies.

I don't think it's so much a matter of anyone dictating rights, so much as a matter of consideration of rights for someone who doesn't have a voice.

 

[coldstream]

Morgentaler successfully championed the rights of women to make their own medical decisions, and to not suffer at the hands of back alley butchers when human nature and society's expectations clash in their expectations of a woman.

But in no way, shape or form, has our ever increasing reliance on scraping the insides out of a woman's womb, brought us 'out of the dark ages.' Our increased demand that women should 'know better', our increased insistence that there is nothing in life more devastating than an unplanned pregnancy, is not 'enlightened'.

Morgentaler was a doctor attempting to provide medical care, for a social problem. Nothing more, nothing less. Long before any of these desperate women resorted to his care, society taught them to fear their pregnancies. That's the evil. And it doesn't rest with Morgentaler. And it won't end with his departure from this world, no matter how gleeful some 'pro-lifers' are over the death of a human.

There is no way you can call abortion a 'medical' procedure. At one time the Hippocratic Oath proscribed it.. before that was laundered out in capitulation to the feminist lobby.

It contravenes the most fundamental principle of medicine.. to do no harm. The only outcome from an abortion is the death of the baby.. and grievous, life long physical and mental harm to the mother. Calling this medicine is a pathetic joke.. of a society that has lost all of its life affirming bearings. It is murder, pure and simple.

The recent criminal case against Dr. Gosnell in Philadelphia showed the greed and lack of concern for anyone's health that prevails in abortion clinics.. with babies delivered alive having their spines snipped to prevent lawsuits.. or torn to pieces by suction devices if done 'legally'. It was a chamber of horrors.. a place filled with filth and exploitation of human despair. He got a Life Sentence.. Morgantaler deserved the same.

Morgantaler was a sick sack of sh*t. A monster.. only feminazis would lament his end... and his cult of death.

 

[L Gilbert]

I don't think it's so much a matter of anyone dictating rights, so much as a matter of consideration of rights for someone who doesn't have a voice.

I think you missed my point, but that's ok.
The matter basically boils down to when a potential human being actually becomes a human being that's able to survive outside the human female and having it recognized as such by lawmakers. Biologically, that seems to be around 20 weeks. Legally, your guess is as good as mine and it varies from place to place. Politicians mostly do not seem to be terribly sensible types even if they have the balls to approach the subject.

There is no way you can call abortion a 'medical' procedure. At one time the Hippocratic Oath banned it.. before that was laundered out in capitulation to the feminist lobby. It abdridges the most fundamental principle of medicine.. to do no harm. The only outcome from an abortion is the death of the baby.. and grievous, life long physical and mental harm to the mother. Calling this medicine is joke.. of a society that lost all of its life affirming bearings.

The case of Dr. Gosnell in Philadelphia showed the greed and lack of concern for anyone's health that prevails in abortion clinics.. with babies delivered alive having their spines snipped to prevent lawsuits.. or torn to pieces by suction devices if done 'legally'. It was a chamber of horrors.. a place filled with filth and exploitation of human despair. He got a Life Sentence.. Morgantaler deserved the same.

Morgantaler was a sick sack of sh*t. A monster.. only feminazis would lament his end... and his cult of death.

Thinking with your heart and feeling with your head again, huh?

 

[coldstream]

I think you missed my point, but that's ok.
The matter basically boils down to when a potential human being actually becomes a human being that's able to survive outside the human female and having it recognized as such by lawmakers. Biologically, that seems to be around 20 weeks. Legally, your guess is as good as mine and it varies from place to place. Politicians mostly do not seem to be terribly sensible types even if they have the balls to approach the subject.

There's really no debate on the issue.. if you subscribe to the principles that built Western Civilization.. emanating from that of the Greco Roman that preceded it. Life begins at conception.. as an inalienable gift from God.. and created in the Image of God.

Only the neo paganism of the New Age.. would apply some sophistry of sentience, or physical development to the term human. Without the divine gift and right to life.. the term human loses all meaning. It is a self annihilating logic. We simply become animals in the abbatoir.

 

[JLM]

There is no way you can call abortion a 'medical' procedure. At one time the Hippocratic Oath banned it.. before that was laundered out in capitulation to the feminist lobby.

It contravenes the most fundamental principle of medicine.. to do no harm. The only outcome from an abortion is the death of the baby.. and grievous, life long physical and mental harm to the mother. Calling this medicine is a pathetic joke.. of a society that has lost all of its life affirming bearings. It is murder, pure and simple.

The case of Dr. Gosnell in Philadelphia showed the greed and lack of concern for anyone's health that prevails in abortion clinics.. with babies delivered alive having their spines snipped to prevent lawsuits.. or torn to pieces by suction devices if done 'legally'. It was a chamber of horrors.. a place filled with filth and exploitation of human despair. He got a Life Sentence.. Morgantaler deserved the same.

Morgantaler was a sick sack of sh*t. A monster.. only feminazis would lament his end... and his cult of death.

Good point!

 

[Kreskin]

There is no way you can call abortion a 'medical' procedure. At one time the Hippocratic Oath proscribed it.. before that was laundered out in capitulation to the feminist lobby.

It contravenes the most fundamental principle of medicine.. to do no harm. The only outcome from an abortion is the death of the baby.. and grievous, life long physical and mental harm to the mother. Calling this medicine is a pathetic joke.. of a society that has lost all of its life affirming bearings. It is murder, pure and simple.

The recent criminal case against Dr. Gosnell in Philadelphia showed the greed and lack of concern for anyone's health that prevails in abortion clinics.. with babies delivered alive having their spines snipped to prevent lawsuits.. or torn to pieces by suction devices if done 'legally'. It was a chamber of horrors.. a place filled with filth and exploitation of human despair. He got a Life Sentence.. Morgantaler deserved the same.

Morgantaler was a sick sack of sh*t. A monster.. only feminazis would lament his end... and his cult of death.

To do no harm to his patient, who is her.

 

[Cliffy]

There's really no debate on the issue.. if you subscribe to the principles that built Western Civilization.. emanating from that of the Greco Roman that preceded it. Life begins at conception.. as an inalienable gift from God.. and created in the Image of God.

Only the neo paganism of the New Age.. would apply some sophistry of sentience, or physical development to the term human. Without the divine gift and right to life.. the term human loses all meaning. It is a self annihilating logic. We simply become animals in the abbatoir.

As opposed to the old age where the church owned your soul and could pass sentence on your "sins" and burn you at the steak for healing people or midwifery or stretching you out on the rack for heresy. You really do belong in the dark ages. You were born about 600 years too late.

 

[hunboldt]

As opposed to the old age where the church owned your soul and could pass sentence on your "sins" and burn you at the steak for healing people or midwifery or stretching you out on the rack for heresy. You really do belong in the dark ages. You were born about 600 years too late.

Being raised Catholic I am torn by the whole darm issue.

Do we damn a woman or an abortion provider for the unholy crime of being born into a wrold that would give her and her baby 'slim to none' as chances??

As one non Catholic woman said to me at the time of my 'on line Catholic Match Heresey trial', you******* dogans figure you can stuff the
baby back in then reverse time by nine months? BRING on the miracle...

Ouch....

 

[Walter]

As opposed to the old age where the church owned your soul and could pass sentence on your "sins" and burn you at the steak for healing people or midwifery or stretching you out on the rack for heresy. You really do belong in the dark ages. You were born about 600 years too late.

Mmmm, steak. I believe you meant stake.

 

[L Gilbert]

There's really no debate on the issue.. if you subscribe to the principles that built Western Civilization.. emanating from that of the Greco Roman that preceded it. Life begins at conception.. as an inalienable gift from God.. and created in the Image of God.

I agree that life begins at conception, or at least within a very short period of time.
There's no evidence supporting the existence of gods and goblins, so they are pretty much irrelevant to anything but the imagination.

Only the neo paganism of the New Age.. would apply some sophistry of sentience, or physical development to the term human. Without the divine gift and right to life.. the term human loses all meaning. It is a self annihilating logic. We simply become animals in the abbatoir.

Humans are just animals. Unfortunately, some of these human animals come up with the most irrational claptrap imaginable simply because by accident have developed extremely adaptable brain cells capable of imagining the oddest and least reasonable stuff. I'm happy not to be one of this type of animal.

If your god or goblin didn't accept abortions, it'd be reasonable to think that your god or goblin simply wouldn't allow them to happen.

 

[Cliffy]

Being raised Catholic I am torn by the whole darm issue.

Do we damn a woman or an abortion provider for the unholy crime of being born into a wrold that would give her and her baby 'slim to none' as chances??

As one non Catholic woman said to me at the time of my 'on line Catholic Match Heresey trial', you******* dogans figure you can stuff the
baby back in then reverse time by nine months? BRING on the miracle...

Ouch....

I was raised a catholic and rejected the church for its crimes against humanity. So called "pro-life" is nothing more than an attempt at returning to patriarchal dominance of women and people's souls. Most pro-lifers I have met support the death penalty and do not think that they should support the child of a woman who they force to give birth. They sit in judgement of her "sin" for having sex in the first place and for aborting an unwanted (for whatever reason) fetus. Some women, particularly young teens, are not emotionally capable of raising a well balanced child. I have known a lot of teens who got pregnant because their own parents rejected them and they just wanted someone to love them (as illogical as that is).

I believe all life is sacred but I do not have the right to judge others and I really get fed up with those who do.

 

[DaSleeper]

The human is the only animal that procrastinates, and as procrastinators you may take whatever meaning suits you best from that statement..........

 

[JLM]

The human is the only animal that procrastinates, and as procrastinators you may take whatever meaning suits you best from that statement..........

How do we know that?

 

[hunboldt]

Now he knows how death feels. Heart attacks can be painful; I hope God took it easier on him than Henry did on the Feti.

Now, Wallie, he was practising open market free enterprise to meet a demand. How much more right wing can you get than that??

Have to be consistent, Wallie. either you go for the unfettered, rules free Darwinism or your stance is 'socialist tainter.'