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[Tygerbright]

 

[gerryh]

How many years have they been underfunded?

 

[Dixie Cup]

You would think by this statement that the Republicans have been in power forever! Huh, who knew Obama was a Republican!!
Besides, aren't the States responsible for education? It was the democrats that set up the federal education department but it's a waste of money because it's simply a duplication and education is in the State's perview if my understanding is correct.

But, whatever.....

 

[taxslave]

You would think by this statement that the Republicans have been in power forever! Huh, who knew Obama was a Republican!!
Besides, aren't the States responsible for education? It was the democrats that set up the federal education department but it's a waste of money because it's simply a duplication and education is in the State's perview if my understanding is correct.
But, whatever.....

There you go fighting an idiot with facts again.

 

[Serryah]

There you go fighting an idiot with facts again.

There's not that many 'facts' in Dixie's post, just her usual "JMHO" BS.


Though I do gotta agree the education system has been total shyte for years now, in the US and Canada.


But the post also makes a valid point - why the hell is schools so important suddenly when for the past near four years Trump et al has done all he can to defund, bankrupt and stress people out of the educational system (public, mind you)?



There's only one logical reason - it's to get parents back to work so the economy can pick back up and thus make him look good. Cause he DAMN sure doesn't give any shyte at all about kids (though richer kids are looked at favourably because, you know, their parents are rich).


NOT JMHO.

 

[captain morgan]

There's not that many 'facts' in Dixie's post, just her usual "JMHO" BS.


Though I do gotta agree the education system has been total shyte for years now, in the US and Canada.


But the post also makes a valid point - why the hell is schools so important suddenly when for the past near four years Trump et al has done all he can to defund, bankrupt and stress people out of the educational system (public, mind you)?



There's only one logical reason - it's to get parents back to work so the economy can pick back up and thus make him look good. Cause he DAMN sure doesn't give any shyte at all about kids (though richer kids are looked at favourably because, you know, their parents are rich).


NOT JMHO.

You poor wee lamb, growing up (and staying) on the wrong side of the tracks.

Nonetheless, take heart as your East coast sense of entitlement and culture of victimhood is especially strong in ya, so you have that going for ya.

Speaking of facts, here's a fun one for ya: In Canadian provinces, the Health Care and Education portfolios consume well in excess of 75% the entire Provincial budgets (much higher in many cases)... With this in mind, how much more do you feel is necessary in your professional opinion?

 

[Twin_Moose]

There's not that many 'facts' in Dixie's post, just her usual "JMHO" BS.
Though I do gotta agree the education system has been total shyte for years now, in the US and Canada.
But the post also makes a valid point - why the hell is schools so important suddenly when for the past near four years Trump et al has done all he can to defund, bankrupt and stress people out of the educational system (public, mind you)?
There's only one logical reason - it's to get parents back to work so the economy can pick back up and thus make him look good. Cause he DAMN sure doesn't give any shyte at all about kids (though richer kids are looked at favourably because, you know, their parents are rich).
NOT JMHO.

Oh is that why they opened up school choice and attached the funding per student so that no school would get undue financial stress over it. Why are the Dems. so against this act?

 

[Serryah]

You poor wee lamb, growing up (and staying) on the wrong side of the tracks.

And what side is that, pray tell?

Nonetheless, take heart as your East coast sense of entitlement and culture of victimhood is especially strong in ya, so you have that going for ya.

Interesting... so because I'm from the East Coast, I automatically have this 'sense of entitlement and culture of victimhood'?


Where do I show these traits and how are they different than, say, anyone from the Middle of Canada or the West Coast?


Otherwise, you are, as usual, talking out of your azz.

Speaking of facts, here's a fun one for ya: In Canadian provinces, the Health Care and Education portfolios consume well in excess of 75% the entire Provincial budgets (much higher in many cases)... With this in mind, how much more do you feel is necessary in your professional opinion?

Yes, I know.


And there isn't anymore that should be thrown into those budgets.


There's so much effin' waste under BOTH departments, that if things were truly looked and and considered to streamline, I'd hope that the amount could be sustained, or even reduced. But to do that would take actual guts AND information/input from the people who actually work in those areas, and NOT the upper end who have no Goddamn clue and do not give one flying fuk about people. (Ergo, don't get me started on the health care issue, it's a HUGE one in NB right now, still because our moron government is trying to kill people).

 

[Serryah]

Oh is that why they opened up school choice and attached the funding per student so that no school would get undue financial stress over it. Why are the Dems. so against this act?

I don't know why the Dems are against it, but if you know any teachers, or talk to them, in the US then you have to know that your statement that "no school would get undue financial stress" is an absolute crock of bullshyte.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Never enough money for education in North America, just ask any teacher, especially when they are on strike for a pay raise.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

And what side is that, pray tell?





Interesting... so because I'm from the East Coast, I automatically have this 'sense of entitlement and culture of victimhood'?


Where do I show these traits and how are they different than, say, anyone from the Middle of Canada or the West Coast?


Otherwise, you are, as usual, talking out of your azz.






Yes, I know.


And there isn't anymore that should be thrown into those budgets.


There's so much effin' waste under BOTH departments, that if things were truly looked and and considered to streamline, I'd hope that the amount could be sustained, or even reduced. But to do that would take actual guts AND information/input from the people who actually work in those areas, and NOT the upper end who have no Goddamn clue and do not give one flying fuk about people. (Ergo, don't get me started on the health care issue, it's a HUGE one in NB right now, still because our moron government is trying to kill people).

Efficiency in bureaucracy isn't going to happen. But there would be more money to spend on both except for Paul Martin . Paul Martin vieing for the position of King of Canada (how the Lieberals view the PM job) cut back transfer payments for healthcare and education in order to balance his budget. He figured that would be enough to give him the job. It was briefly.

 

[Serryah]

Never enough money for education in North America, just ask any teacher, especially when they are on strike for a pay raise.

Teachers AREN'T paid enough to teach kids, I'll agree with that.


But the basic things that should be had by a teacher should not be their responsibility, either, and that's what I'm talking about.

And yes, I know, teacher pays come out of the Ed. budget, but all that plays into the talk to the actual experts - the ones in the system currently - to see where savings and money make up can be had.

 

[captain morgan]

And what side is that, pray tell?

Interesting... so because I'm from the East Coast, I automatically have this 'sense of entitlement and culture of victimhood'?

Where do I show these traits and how are they different than, say, anyone from the Middle of Canada or the West Coast?

Otherwise, you are, as usual, talking out of your azz.

Blaming politicians (Trump in this case) and rich people reeks of one that refuses any personal responsibility and bends over backwards to assess responsibility on everyone BUT themselves.

Enjoy your pity party

And there isn't anymore that should be thrown into those budgets.

There's so much effin' waste under BOTH departments, that if things were truly looked and and considered to streamline, I'd hope that the amount could be sustained, or even reduced. But to do that would take actual guts AND information/input from the people who actually work in those areas, and NOT the upper end who have no Goddamn clue and do not give one flying fuk about people. (Ergo, don't get me started on the health care issue, it's a HUGE one in NB right now, still because our moron government is trying to kill people).

... But still, you blame Trump and wealthy families.

Good to know

 

[captain morgan]

Teachers AREN'T paid enough to teach kids, I'll agree with that.

What's the magic number?.... How much to be a teacher?

 

[Serryah]

Blaming politicians (Trump in this case) and rich people reeks of one that refuses any personal responsibility and bends over backwards to assess responsibility on everyone BUT themselves.

Enjoy your pity party

I don't just blame Trump or Rich people but good effort on assuming.

... But still, you blame Trump and wealthy families.

Good to know

I blame Trump, I blame wealthy families.


I blame Liberal governments.


I blame Cons.


I blame Dems...


I'll say it a third time, the issue is the people in charge - regardless of party - don't listen to those who are *actually doing the job*, but rather so called 'experts' and others who haven't a clue, or haven't been in any position in the areas in years so they don't know the changes that have gone on.


Yeah, I focus on Trump et al right now, because they are the ones in charge in the US.


Guess what, Poindexter, when NB was under the Liberals, our education sucked azz then too and that was all on them. The Cons have continued the trend... and it's been like that since *I* was a kid.


So take your 'gotcha' moment and store it somewhere since you failed.

 

[Serryah]

What's the magic number?.... How much to be a teacher?

I'm not a teacher so I don't know.


Nor do I have kids so my involvement is more of an outsider's view looking in.


But even I agree that teachers are not paid enough.


What about you, what do YOU think teachers should be paid? Or rather, how much should they NOT be paid?

 

[Jinentonix]

You like truths? Here's a nice one for you.

 

[Serryah]

You like truths? Here's a nice one for you.

Absolutely fuking agreed; this trash should be tossed away or better yet, castrated then shot.

(wait, is that not liberal enough for your judgment of me?)


That said, there are enough people in BLM now that this piece of lowlife can be scraped off existence and someone who actually should be in that leadership can take over and do some good. I won't hold this garbage up as the total sum of what all BLM is and should be.

 

[captain morgan]

I don't just blame Trump or Rich people but good effort on assuming.

Emboldened a couple of your pity party comments for ya from your original post... No assumptions

But the post also makes a valid point - why the hell is schools so important suddenly when for the past near four years Trump et al has done all he can to defund, bankrupt and stress people out of the educational system (public, mind you)?

There's only one logical reason - it's to get parents back to work so the economy can pick back up and thus make him look good. Cause he DAMN sure doesn't give any shyte at all about kids (though richer kids are looked at favourably because, you know, their parents are rich).
NOT JMHO.

There's a reason why the youth demographic is leaving select jurisdictions, East coast communities very much included and much of that reason is based on a culture of victimhood and utter reliance on gubmint for everything

I blame Trump, I blame wealthy families.

I blame Liberal governments.

I blame Cons.

I blame Dems...

All you did was blame Trump and 'rich' people.

Exactly how did some rich person cause the public education to fail?

... That's right, they didn't but as you are a victim and entitled, who better to blame than 'rich' people

Guess what, Poindexter, when NB was under the Liberals, our education sucked azz then too and that was all on them. The Cons have continued the trend... and it's been like that since *I* was a kid.

And magically, more money is the solution... Sure, that same solution is the never ending go-to answer and sure it's been tried many many times, and sure, it doesn't produce a result, but why not try again, right?

So take your 'gotcha' moment and store it somewhere since you failed.

You 'got' yourself... Time and time again, in fact

I'm not a teacher so I don't know.

Nor do I have kids so my involvement is more of an outsider's view looking in.

But even I agree that teachers are not paid enough.

What about you, what do YOU think teachers should be paid? Or rather, how much should they NOT be paid?

Just so we're clear - you're not a teacher, you have no idea what the job entails, you know nothing of the alternatives BUT you are certain that whatever they are paid, it ain't enough.

Thanks... And you wonder why someone refers to you as being part of the entitlement culture

Show me a comparative result relative to student achievement (ie. their job) and then we can talk about rates of compensation

 

[pgs]

Never enough money for education in North America, just ask any teacher, especially when they are on strike for a pay raise.

It is all for the children , when we demand more money and positions for our members . We do it for the children .