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Tygerbright

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BC government. Look it up. Also look at the Sunshine list and see how many employed by the ministry of Education make over $100 000/yr.
No, you made the claim and produce it child.

And while your at trying to shovel the highest paid of a very particular group how about telling us the salary of the average teacher in B.C. ?

Or would that stuff be too ethical for you to do you useless lying F8ck.
 

Twin_Moose

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Teachers AREN'T paid enough to teach kids, I'll agree with that.
But the basic things that should be had by a teacher should not be their responsibility, either, and that's what I'm talking about.
And yes, I know, teacher pays come out of the Ed. budget, but all that plays into the talk to the actual experts - the ones in the system currently - to see where savings and money make up can be had.

Damn good money for working 140 hours a month for 9 months of the year, every agreement is pretty much met with 1.5-3% yearly raise (for inflation), usually bargain away their demands for more supplies, more prep time, more TA's, in favor of the raise.
 

Tygerbright

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Damn good money for working 140 hours a month for 9 months of the year, every agreement is pretty much met with 1.5-3% yearly raise (for inflation), usually bargain away their demands for more supplies, more prep time, more TA's, in favor of the raise.
And a union job which is important and less and less resources for kids that a lot of teachers pay out of pocket then there's after hours work like grading. Not counting working with 30+ kids 20+if you're lucky and then there's the manditory training updates, first aid, cpr, vulnerable sector checks.

Seriously you wanna run at nurses next?
 

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And a union job which is important and less and less resources for kids that a lot of teachers pay out of pocket then there's after hours work like grading. Not counting working with 30+ kids 20+if you're lucky and then there's the manditory training updates, first aid, cpr, vulnerable sector checks.
Seriously you wanna run at nurses next?

Teacher's get paid for school prep and ask for more every time an agreement is being ratified, see paid days off. Only extra curricular activities are volunteered

Parents pay a lot more out of pocket for the education of their children. Farmer's are the front line to School taxes and pay the most in Canada for the education for our children.
 

Tygerbright

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Teacher's get paid for school prep and ask for more every time an agreement is being ratified, see paid days off. Only extra curricular activities are volunteered

Parents pay a lot more out of pocket for the education of their children. Farmer's are the front line to School taxes and pay the most in Canada for the education for our children.
Parents shouldn't have to pay out of pocket we're a wealthy enough country but still this doesn't make an argument vs teachers pay.

Look at daycare costs... huge.

Now you have 20+ kids and usually just 1 teacher... again adding responsability to risk and safety plus actually teaching and grading.There's no arguments.

Hell if you really look at it teachers are our best defense vs Canada becoming an Idiotcracy like the United States were learning and education are becoming ridiculed and feared.

Hell get them more money and remove the meddlers, teach sex ed in classes, teach more stuff like civics, poly sci, and have the math classes start teaching some stuff about taxes and banking and credit when kids hit grade 9 and are starting jobs. Teach some real life skills FFS, there should not be "Adulting classes" but there are.

Farmers are important and get a raw deal vs gov and corporations but they can't shoulder the burden of education it comes from everyone's taxes. There's just not enough of them for that.
 

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All-White state legislatures and the all-White Congress.


They've been overridden by the Civil Rights Acts and a number of court cases. Your blind hatred for one political party bores me. You clearly either don't understand, or choose to remain ignorant of, the histories of the parties, which I have explained on this board.

By the way, the key to my question was whether Jim Crow laws harmed Black people as a group.


You miss the point, probably deliberately. Given our past interactions, there's no point in explaining it to you again.


You know what's interesting, if you look at the law books of every state, they have some very weird, bizarre and outright STUPID laws on their books even today that haven't been repealed because no one gives a shyte or even notices them anymore.


https://www.businessinsider.com/wei...-have-to-get-a-permit-to-modify-the-weather-6


And it's not just in the US.

Dixie is, as always, Blissful.


JMHO.
 

Serryah

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Damn good money for working 140 hours a month for 9 months of the year, every agreement is pretty much met with 1.5-3% yearly raise (for inflation), usually bargain away their demands for more supplies, more prep time, more TA's, in favor of the raise.




Wow, wherever it is your live, the teachers there do have it made. No wonder you're supportive of them.



Cause around here, NONE of that is true.


It's bad enough around here that ALL the special needs kids who should be in their own classes are put in with the regular kids all day because it's "better" for them.


It's not. It's SO not.



(oops... was that not liberal enough to say?)

There are more part time-TA's than full time teachers and guess what, I actually make more than some teachers in NB, and what I may STILL isn't enough to live on sometimes.



So no, they do not make enough by FAR.
 

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I just love it when people without kids start pontificating about what they need in school and how it should be delivered. Reminds me of the useless 22 yr old teacher that informed my wife and I that there was nothing we could tell her about how to deal with our 8 yr old ADD child as SHE had taken all the courses and knew it all. We promptly informed the principle, who we had been working closely with as we had more than one ADD child, of what she told us and let him know that she was on her own. 2 months later I get a phone call from her wanting us to come in for a meeting on his behaviour and what could be done about it. I told her no, as she had informed us that she knew more than we did about dealing with ADD children as she had gone to school about it and we hadn't. His behaviour in her class was her problem not ours. A week later the principle calls us, chuckling, informs us that she had been in his office crying as she couldn't handle our son and that we refused to help her. He let her know that maybe she should have listened to us to begin with. He asked if we could meet with him and the teacher. I said yes. At the meeting she apologized and asked us for help. The rest of the year was a lot easier on her when she started taking our advice as to how to handle OUR 8 yr old ADD child.

Class size, when I was in school through the 60s and 70s class sizes were 30+ kids.

Up untill the last few years teachers in alberta were paid a yearly salary divided into 10 months. Unfortunately, too many were unable to budget properly and would run out of money during the 2 months they were off for summer. Therefore, the government changed their renumeration to the salary being divided into 12 months and they would get paid through the summer, and you want these teachers to teach our kids about finances? Your kidding, right?
 
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Tygerbright

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I just love it when people without kids start pontificating about what they need in school and how it should be delivered. Reminds me of the useless 22 yr old teacher that informed my wife and I that there was nothing we could tell her about how to deal with our 8 yr old ADD child as SHE had taken all the courses and knew it all. We promptly informed the principle, who we had been working closely with as we had more than one ADD child, of what she told us and let him know that she was on her own. 2 months later I get a phone call from her wanting us to come in for a meeting on his behaviour and what could be done about it. I told her no, as she had informed us that she knew more than we did about dealing with ADD children as she had gone to school about it and we hadn't. His behaviour in her class was her problem not ours. A week later the principle calls us, chuckling, informs us that she had been in his office crying as she couldn't handle our son and that we refused to help her. He let her know that maybe she should have listened to us to begin with. He asked if we could meet with him and the teacher. I said yes. At the meeting she apologized and asked us for help. The rest of the year was a lot easier on her when she started taking our advice as to how to handle OUR 8 yr old ADD child.

Class size, when I was in school through the 60s and 70s class sizes were 30+ kids.

Up untill the last few years teachers in alberta were paid a yearly salary decided into 10 months. Unfortunately, too many were unable to budget properly and would run out of money during the 2 months they were off for summer. Therefore, the government changed their renumeration to the salary being devided into 12 months and the would get paid through the summer, and you want these teachers to teach our kids about finances? Your kidding, right?
LOLOLOL so you're anecdoting us vs actual facts and numbers? How do we know you're married with a wife and kids.

I mean you push a lot of utter right wing bullcrock and act like you're gerkining it to the roman saluters on here so...

Yeah my opinion still stands, all of it.
 

gerryh

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LOLOLOL so you're anecdoting us vs actual facts and numbers? How do we know you're married with a wife and kids.
I mean you push a lot of utter right wing bullcrock and act like you're gerkining it to the roman saluters on here so...
Yeah my opinion still stands, all of it.

So, we should take the opinion of someone that, quite possibly, is claiming to be a trans so that he/she/it can garner some kind of sympathy points with his/her/its supposed situation. Along with the fact that, by the posts thus far, we are actually dealing with a self centered teeny bopper rather than a university educated 50 year old as he/she/it claims.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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I'm of the opinion that the professional knowledge of educators and the in-depth, personal knowledge of parents should work together for the benefit of the kids, rather than engaging in dick-measuring contests.

But that's just me.
 

Serryah

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I'm of the opinion that the professional knowledge of educators and the in-depth, personal knowledge of parents should work together for the benefit of the kids, rather than engaging in dick-measuring contests.

But that's just me.




This, absolutely this.


I may not have kids myself but I do have a niece, I do have friends who have them, and I have four people I know who are teachers/TA's.

I guess hearing the discussions about education from these people doesn't matter, that I, as a no-child person instantly have no reason to have concerns over the education of children.


... and yet that's not going to change what iota, so...
 

Tecumsehsbones

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I guess hearing the discussions about education from these people doesn't matter, that I, as a no-child person instantly have no reason to have concerns over the education of children.
Well, certainly we cannot match the wisdom and sheer brilliance of someone who has figured out how to f*ck.
 

Tygerbright

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So, we should take the opinion of someone that, quite possibly, is claiming to be a trans so that he/she/it can garner some kind of sympathy points with his/her/its supposed situation. Along with the fact that, by the posts thus far, we are actually dealing with a self centered teeny bopper rather than a university educated 50 year old as he/she/it claims.
Be as sarcastic as you want Gerry but honestly you have zero proof of who you are so a long arsed paragraph about your family and your offense is still forking fiction.