More Than Half of Canadians Say Religion is Harmful

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Cliffy said:
Religion is dangerous because it divides us as brothers and sisters through ideological and dogmatic lines. The one thing that scares the bejeezus out of the religious is the idea that we are all one with the Universe/God/Allah/Wakan Tonka. Unity is our eventual destination but that would alleviate the need for religious leaders and their divisive religions.
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I didn't need religion to divide me from my brother and sister.

Wakan Tonka.
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Cliffy said:
Religion is dangerous because it divides us as brothers and sisters through ideological and dogmatic lines. The one thing that scares the bejeezus out of the religious is the idea that we are all one with the Universe/God/Allah/Wakan Tonka. Unity is our eventual destination but that would alleviate the need for religious leaders and their divisive religions.
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I thought religion taught unity, the unity of mankind. Isn't it atheists who preach borders here and borders there with secular nationalism replacing religion?
 
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White_Unifier said:
I thought religion taught unity, the unity of mankind. Isn't it atheists who preach borders here and borders there with secular nationalism replacing religion?
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That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Seriously. Compared that that, Finnegan's Wake is a model of clarity and sanity.
 
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White_Unifier said:
I thought religion taught unity, the unity of mankind. Isn't it atheists who preach borders here and borders there with secular nationalism replacing religion?
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No, they teach tribal unity, not human unity. Since time immemorial, the priest classes have ruled. At some point they appointed secular "kings" to act as their surrogates because the peasants were wising up to their game. When the peasants got wise to the King game they changed it to capitalism and the captains of that particular nasty piece of work. But those in control are still the same gang of power mongers, only the titles have been changed to protect the guilty.
 
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Cliffy said:
Religion is dangerous because it divides us as brothers and sisters through ideological and dogmatic lines. The one thing that scares the bejeezus out of the religious is the idea that we are all one with the Universe/God/Allah/Wakan Tonka. Unity is our eventual destination but that would alleviate the need for religious leaders and their divisive religions.
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I think the problem is that it wouldn't matter if there were no religions, we'd still seek out SMALL enclaves of sameness. We'd pick hair colour or nose shape or leg lenghts. It's not the religion that causes division, it's a humans need (biological) to feel safe. Black face sheep hang with black face sheep when put in with all white sheep. THey're not racist. They're seeking sameness. Humans do the same thing.

White_Unifier said:
I thought religion taught unity, the unity of mankind. Isn't it atheists who preach borders here and borders there with secular nationalism replacing religion?
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Atheists are simply people who do not believe in god and do not want their rights dictated by religious texts or on religious beliefs.

White_Unifier said:
I believe in God, and that actually reinforces my support for world unity. Go figure.
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See my response to Cliffy. If religion brought unity, then there wouldn't be so many fighting sects of muslims. There wouldn't be JW's, Mormons, Protestants (the name alone right?) etc etc etc. There is no unity in the beliefs details.
 
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Cliffy said:
No, they teach tribal unity, not human unity. Since time immemorial, the priest classes have ruled. At some point they appointed secular "kings" to act as their surrogates because the peasants were wising up to their game. When the peasants got wise to the King game they changed it to capitalism and the captains of that particular nasty piece of work. But those in control are still the same gang of power mongers, only the titles have been changed to protect the guilty.
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You just described a pipe carrier. WTG

Twila said:
I think the problem is that it wouldn't matter if there were no religions, we'd still seek out SMALL enclaves of sameness. We'd pick hair colour or nose shape or leg lenghts. It's not the religion that causes division, it's a humans need (biological) to feel safe. Black face sheep hang with black face sheep when put in with all white sheep. THey're not racist. They're seeking sameness. Humans do the same thing.



Atheists are simply people who do not believe in god and do not want their rights dictated by religious texts or on religious beliefs.



See my response to Cliffy. If religion brought unity, then there wouldn't be so many fighting sects of muslims. There wouldn't be JW's, Mormons, Protestants (the name alone right?) etc etc etc. There is no unity in the beliefs details.
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Go to one of your local Catholic Churches. You'll see the pews full of every race and culture on the planet.

There is unity.
 
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Twila said:
I think the problem is that it wouldn't matter if there were no religions, we'd still seek out SMALL enclaves of sameness. We'd pick hair colour or nose shape or leg lenghts. It's not the religion that causes division, it's a humans need (biological) to feel safe. Black face sheep hang with black face sheep when put in with all white sheep. THey're not racist. They're seeking sameness. Humans do the same thing.



Atheists are simply people who do not believe in god and do not want their rights dictated by religious texts or on religious beliefs.



See my response to Cliffy. If religion brought unity, then there wouldn't be so many fighting sects of muslims. There wouldn't be JW's, Mormons, Protestants (the name alone right?) etc etc etc. There is no unity in the beliefs details.
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Let's not confuse sects with religion. Whether it's the Bible, the Koran, or any other book, none of them promoted sectarianism and they wouldn't even agree with ecclesiasticism as it's devolved in most religions either.

Consider that my wife and I don't even profess the same religion either, and it causes no problems. It would seem that character is more important than religion on that front. Even the religious books teach about the unity of religions. Jesus never opposed Moses, the Koran acknowledges Jesus and talks about the 'people of the Book,' etc.
 
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Twila said:
allowing people to have rights...is puritanical belief system imposing compulsory affirmation?

Your post reads like the arrogance about your perceived moral superiority is blocking your ability to recognize that others have rights too. You don't believe others have rights?
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Rights only work our right if you give them to yourselves. The banksters have been the only ones doing that look at how happy they are.

 
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White_Unifier said:
Let's not confuse sects with religion. Whether it's the Bible, the Koran, or any other book, none of them promoted sectarianism and they wouldn't even agree with ecclesiasticism as it's devolved in most religions either.

Consider that my wife and I don't even profess the same religion either, and it causes no problems. It would seem that character is more important than religion on that front. Even the religious books teach about the unity of religions. Jesus never opposed Moses, the Koran acknowledges Jesus and talks about the 'people of the Book,' etc.
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The ignorant are jumping on Hinduism unknowingly. Yoga.
 
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According to a new poll from Ipsos, conducted for Global News, more than half of Canadians believe religion does more harm than good.


And among Canadians, it’s people in Quebec who really look down upon religion.
Compared to the rest of Canada, Quebecers are significantly more likely than residents of other provinces to feel religion does more harm than good (62 per cent). They’re also more inclined (18 per cent) to lose respect for people when they find out they are religious.
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Only a quarter of Canadians (24%) said they believe religion makes you a better person, while only a third (34%) believed religion and politics should mix.
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Absolute schitt and balderdash.
 
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petros said:
You just described a pipe carrier. WTG



Go to one of your local Catholic Churches. You'll see the pews full of every race and culture on the planet.

There is unity.
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Those people united in the church are united by their faith, yet. If they did not have the same faith they would not be united.

If you took away peoples religions they would seek some other sameness, some commonality.
 
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Twila said:
Those people united in the church are united by their faith, yet. If they did not have the same faith they would not be united.

If you took away peoples religions they would seek some other sameness, some commonality.
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They wouldn't be there if they didn't get more than a place to worship.
 
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