More than 1,000,000 people have died result of the US led Iraq invasion!
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You seem to know...you titled the thread so.
Which is a heck more accurate than giving an interview to only 1,499 people in a country of 24 million. In addition they did not verify.
Even if it is twice as high we are only at 200K...hardly a million. But the twice as high estimate is only a guess and not verified.
And you seem to take OBR's number only for the reason that it is the highest number and you WANT more deaths in Iraq.
100K, 200K...than is not enough...you need MORE and MORE... A Million!
So we are still looking at a number far less even if you count them.
It was a poll question without verification...hardly scientific.
GET OUT! That would mean more people have died in Iraq due to violence since 2006!
Well nooooo kidding!
And tell me...how can casualties and deaths go down? Once you are hurt or killed you are a casualty and counted.
ORB's poll was in August 2007
IBC is Febuary 2009
No come again...who's is more recent?
FAILED
Which is the root of everything...you want more deaths in Iraq...you are hoping that there is.
You just don't have the facts on your side but since when did your kind ever use facts?
I am with the IBC's number which is most likely higer than the govt's number AND verifiable.
"You just don't have the facts on your side but since when did your kind ever use facts?"
What kind exactly is "your kind" I wonder?
What kind exactly is "your kind" I wonder?
Well IBC uses verifiable methods. The people they count are indeed dead or injured and verified.
Check out their website...they are not a pro-war group...they are anti-war. But they use facts and verifiable sources.
The left can't have that now can they? :lol:
Off topic:
If you add up all the deaths above and add to them those who died from malnutrition and disease, including those resulting from economic sanctions imposed on Iraq before the invasion, long after Iraq no longer possessed WMDs and met the conditions for lifting the sanctions, the final number easily exceeds a million people.
The post Iraq invasion search for WMDs revealed that Iraq hadn't possessed a WMD capability since before 1997 or even 1995. Back in 1998, UNSCOM and the UNSC including the US knew Iraq no longer posed a WMD threat and had met the conditions for lifting economic sanctions. The US as a veto member of the UNSC, prevented the rest of the council from lifting sanctions between 1998 and 2003. That makes the US responsible for all those deaths too.
After it became apparent in 2004 that Iraq hadn't possessed WMDs since at least 1997, Americans and the news media failed to ask two obvious questions.
If Iraq hadn't possessed WMDs since at least 1997, why was Iraq bombed in 1998?
How likely is it that Iraq wasn't cooperating with UN weapon inspections in 1998 when they no longer had anything to hide?
The truth is, in 1998, Iraq finally came clean in a effort to get the sanctions lifted. The US used its veto to keep the sanctions in place and also infiltrated UNSCOM with spies. When Iraq figured out the sanctions would not be lifted even if they met the requirements and that UNSCOM had become a spy mission, they stopped cooperating.
Also Iraq never tossed UNSCOM out back in 1998. They were advised to leave by the Clinton administration, just before they bombed Iraq from one end to the other based on intel collected illegally by their agents in UNSCOM. By 1998, UNSCOM had stopped looking for WMDs because they knew Iraq didn't have anything left to find.
Considering the UNSCOM's abuses and a zero chance that inspections would ever result in lifting economic sanctions, Iraq was completely justified in refusing to allow these people back in to Iraq.
References:
BBC News | Middle East | Unscom 'infiltrated by spies'
Iraqi Sanctions: Myth and Fact
Don't tell me it is off topic. Read the title of the thread that YOU started!
So the UN should bear some responsibility for this shouldn't they? Is not Canada part of the UN? Was not Canada involved in Desert Storm? Do you think Saddam should have fed his people with the oil for food instead of building palaces?
Your title "More than 1,000,000 people have died (as a) result of the US led Iraqi Invasion!"
You have been pretty much proven wrong and somethings are wrong whether we believe them or not. The evidence is not there for a million deaths since the 2003 invasion. But now you have to morph it to get your number and unashamedly go off topic.
The American government has a proven record of lying, especially when it comes to Iraq. Or do you still believe their claims about Iraq's WMD stockpiles and links to al Queda?
You have misinterpreted what IBC's numbers mean. They do not claim to list all recorded deaths. They claim their number is a verifiable absolute minimum, not intended to be an estimate of the actual number and does not include belligerents. (Soldiers and insurgents)
From IBC
IBC's view that the current death toll could be around twice the numbers recorded by IBC isn't even an estimate based on scientific methods. Its a guess unsupported by any scientific method or a margin of error.
IBC's current total is about 100,000. Their guess of an actual number is twice 100,000, which is about 200,000. That's still a lot of blood for a war based on false justifications, misinformation and outright lies.
If Americans are so concerned about justice as so many claim, then why aren't Americans demanding former US presidents be held to the same level of accountability as Hussein?
What should be the punishment for starting an unprovoked unjustified war which has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people?
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Oh...so that is what this thread is about? You should have been more up front so I could have avoided it because it is the same old thing over and over. Been there and done that.
IBC has claimed that it is NOT an estimate at all. It is ALL verifiable civillian deaths due to violence in Iraq. Combatant deaths I bet are far lower.
It is NOT a guess and it is NOT an estimate. It is FACT. They verify each death. Sorry Charlie.
But you want them to say a million.
Yadda Yadda Yadda
Maybe someone else will bite... I won't.
As for this thread...it is pretty much settled because it has morphed into what your intent was anyways as you failed in the 1 Million count accusation.
A verifiable minimum doesn't disprove higher estimates, but it does disprove lower estimates. (like ones published by the American government.)
I wish your attitude was an exception ES, but I believe most Americans share your apathy.
Americans don't care that every justification their leaders made for starting this unprovoked war has been proven false. They don't care that as a result the Iraqi people have suffered an estimated equivalent of 300 9/11's. Or going with IBC's verifiable minimum, at least the equivalent of 30 9/11's.
Americans don't care that every justification their leaders made for starting this unprovoked war has been proven false. They don't care that as a result the Iraqi people have suffered an estimated equivalent of 300 9/11's. Or going with IBC's verifiable minimum, at least the equivalent of 30 9/11's.