'Mommy, don't,' Bridgewater girl pleaded in last moments of life

[VanIsle]

Im missing something Tracy.

What exactly is there in a death penalty that there is not in terms of life imprisonement in terms of appeals, duty of evidence etc?

What you seem to be describing is a system that does insufficient research before they destroy someones life and incarcerate them for their entire youth.

Either they are found guilty or not, its not much less of a travesty if someone is imprisoned for life mistakenly.

It is more expensive to execute then to incarcerate. Probably Sir Joeseph Porter will happily explain that to you should he read this post.

 

[Kreskin]

I'm of the opinion that the death penalty would do her a favor. That's why I believe incarceration is a better penalty. Spending the next 20+ years locked up in a cage thinking about killing your daughter will serve up more hell than death.

 

[tracy]

Im missing something Tracy.

What exactly is there in a death penalty that there is not in terms of life imprisonement in terms of appeals, duty of evidence etc?

What you seem to be describing is a system that does insufficient research before they destroy someones life and incarcerate them for their entire youth.

Either they are found guilty or not, its not much less of a travesty if someone is imprisoned for life mistakenly.

There are more appeals in capital crimes and the housing on death row is different from the general population. It's more expensive. I do think it's a lot worse to be executed when innocent rather than imprisoned and later released when found innocent.

 

[L Gilbert]

It is more expensive to execute then to incarcerate. Probably Sir Joeseph Porter will happily explain that to you should he read this post.

That depends on how young you were when incarcerated, how many appeals you attempt, and how long you live.
Anyway, concerning the topic, in a word we think this woman is despicable.

 

[Zzarchov]

What are your talking about? This is so far from the truth it's almost shameful. There are transitional and minimum security facilities such as the one you described for women AND men. Is there any mention of her going to one that I have missed?

Torturing children is not exclusive to women, it's a popular reason for incarceration, in general. The incidents of women abusing children (to varying degrees)really is slightly higher, but only due to the fact that women are often the primary caregiver. Not all offenses lead to long term incarceration in cushy prisons as you suggest.

Actually no, having been to both, having family and friends who work in both, you are so far off your rocker.

The situation I describe houses maximum security inmates:

Grand Valley Institution for Women (GVI) FOR WOMEN (GVI) - prison stories, prison history, prison conditions, and inmate treatment for Grand Valley Institution for Women (GVI) FOR WOMEN (GVI)

Men, even for fraud and white collar crimes, spend 2 years in max, such as Millhaven, which is every bit as brutal as you have heard of Prison in popular culture.

Millhaven - prison stories, prison history, prison conditions, and inmate treatment for Millhaven

cottages vs concrete cells.

 

[JLM]

It is more expensive to execute then to incarcerate. Probably Sir Joeseph Porter will happily explain that to you should he read this post.

Sir JP is probably a very nice fellow but I don't think his expertise lies in the subject of executions. I'm betting it COULD be done for under $100 and it's pretty tough to even get married for that price.

 

[lone wolf]

Actually no, having been to both, having family and friends who work in both, you are so far off your rocker.

The situation I describe houses maximum security inmates:

Grand Valley Institution for Women (GVI) FOR WOMEN (GVI) - prison stories, prison history, prison conditions, and inmate treatment for Grand Valley Institution for Women (GVI) FOR WOMEN (GVI)

Men, even for fraud and white collar crimes, spend 2 years in max, such as Millhaven, which is every bit as brutal as you have heard of Prison in popular culture.

Millhaven - prison stories, prison history, prison conditions, and inmate treatment for Millhaven

cottages vs concrete cells.

Now ... Google Maplehurst (Milton) or Lindsay ... or Metro West for women....

 

[Said1]

Now ... Google Maplehurst (Milton) or Lindsay ... or Metro West for women....

No kidding. I have many relatives and a few friends on the US side who work as guards, nurses and administrators in all different kinds of facilities. I think he forgets about the old Kingston's P4W, my father's ex-wife did some time there for fraud. My father was fortunate to do some time in Kingston himself. they sound like beautiful vacation spots.

 

[Said1]

Actually no, having been to both, having family and friends who work in both, you are so far off your rocker.

The situation I describe houses maximum security inmates:

Grand Valley Institution for Women (GVI) FOR WOMEN (GVI) - prison stories, prison history, prison conditions, and inmate treatment for Grand Valley Institution for Women (GVI) FOR WOMEN (GVI)

This is one multi-level prison for women. Your assertion that all prisons for women are like this is wrong.

Men, even for fraud and white collar crimes, spend 2 years in max, such as Millhaven, which is every bit as brutal as you have heard of Prison in popular culture.

Millhaven - prison stories, prison history, prison conditions, and inmate treatment for Millhaven

cottages vs concrete cells.

Your still off YOUR rocker, dear. There are male murders and rapists in very nice cottages, too.

 

[Zzarchov]

This is one multi-level prison for women. Your assertion that all prisons for women are like this is wrong.



Your still off YOUR rocker, dear. There are male murders and rapists in very nice cottages, too.

Yes, in min security. Inmates are segregated by their danger to the guards (after initial processing) not based upon crime.

The difference is women prisons of max still get put into cottages, even after they take guards hostage and poison them.

 

[Praxius]

Related Information:

Boudreau’s boyfriend: 'If I had known . . .'
Boudreau’s boyfriend: 'If I had known . . .' - Nova Scotia News - TheChronicleHerald.ca

BRIDGEWATER — "I love that girl," Vernon Macumber said, weeping, as he talked about the sweet thank-you card Karissa Boudreau made and coloured for him after he gave her a teddy bear she named Paws.

"She was my friend," Mr. Macumber told The Chronicle Herald on Monday as he talked about Karissa. "How close we were. I swear to God, if I had known . . ."

He is repulsed that his ex-girlfriend, Penny Boudreau, Karissa’s mother, killed her own child, and he is outraged that she says she did it out of love for him.

Ms. Boudreau was sentenced Friday to life in prison with no chance of parole for 20 years for strangling her 12-year-old daughter on Jan. 27, 2008.

Mr. Macumber said Ms. Boudreau and Karissa had been arguing a lot, but he had no idea his then-girlfriend would react the way she did. He denies that he gave her an ultimatum to choose between him and Karissa. He said he suggested they all go for counselling but Ms. Boudreau wouldn’t agree.

Shortly after the suppertime phone call Monday, paramedics and police were called to a north-end Halifax apartment building where a man was threatening to slit his throat with a knife. Sources say the man was Mr. Macumber.

Emergency Health Services spokesman Paul Maynard confirmed that paramedics were called to the building where a 47-year-old man was threatening suicide. But he said police kept the paramedics back while they dealt with the man and then sent the ambulance away.

By 7 p.m., all was quiet at the building where a resident confirmed that Mr. Macumber has been living in a basement apartment for the past year. She believes he lives alone.

A red, four-door Dodge Neon, believed to be the same car Ms. Boudreau was driving on the night she killed Karissa, was parked in front of the building, and the woman said it belongs to Mr. Macumber.

Halifax Regional Police were tight-lipped about the call, explaining that it is their standard procedure not to say much about "mental health" cases when someone is a threat to themselves but not to the public.

Mr. Macumber said during the earlier phone call that he felt something was wrong after Karissa went missing a year ago and he began drinking heavily, in part to deal with his denial. He said he just couldn’t bring himself to believe that Ms. Boudreau could have had any role in her daughter’s death.

When they moved to Halifax last spring, he insisted they live in separate apartments. By then, he was suspicious she might have been responsible for Karissa’s death, but he still didn’t know for sure.

"You’ve got to give the benefit of the doubt, you know? But to have the woman you loved betray you . . ." he said.

"I am an alcoholic because of this. I drink to make myself numb, I just don’t know how to feel anymore."

And Mr. Macumber said he can’t find employment, even though he had nothing to do with Karissa’s death and is as revolted by it as everyone else is.

"I loved working at the Superstore," he said. "I love working with people, but no one will hire me. I can’t get a job."

Mr. Macumber said that when he first met Ms. Boudreau, he was divorced, unhappy and never thought he would find love again.

"I found love twice," he said. "I thought I was the luckiest guy in the world. I had a girlfriend and a daughter. Here, I had it all, then all of a sudden, this. Two tragedies. This is a double tragedy."

Mr. Macumber wants people to know he cherished Karissa. He feels he hasn’t been given a fair shake by the media and wants to dispute the way he has been portrayed.

"I want you to give me an opportunity to have my say."

He wanted to do this in a face-to-face interview with a Herald reporter, not over the telephone. But he couldn’t keep back the flood of memories and emotions as he talked.

"I have her projects here, I still have them," he said, referring to treasured mementoes of a lovely girl who changed his life.

He said he still has Karissa’s hamsters and they are another link to the kind girl he misses.

The fish tank they were setting up together sits empty in his apartment. They had planned to fill it with water and pick out fish together. More than a year later, the empty tank offers silent testimony to a life unfulfilled.

Mr. Macumber cried as he thought of his infant son, Vernon Joseph, who died 23 years ago when he was just two hours old.

"It’s been so long since I thought of him, and now it all comes back," he said.

Mr. Macumber said he keeps a Bible in memory of his infant son.

"And you’d never believe it but Karissa loved to read the Bible," he said.

He said she would come into his room and ask to read it.

"That beautiful girl," he said, sobbing.

 

[lone wolf]

That ultimatum thing posted by the media does seem to have been altered in context when you hear his side of the story....

 

[Praxius]

That ultimatum thing posted by the media does seem to have been altered in context when you hear his side of the story....

Indeed... considering everything she has said and done so far has been to protect her sorry ass and shift blame as best she could from herself (In a very poor manner too) I actually feel pretty sorry for the boyfriend, maybe a bit more then the father, since he's been thrown into the mix as some thinking he's been a part of the whole thing and has kinda screwed his chances at a decent life in the eyes of the public.

 

[Nuggler]

:angry3: Took a couple of tries to get through this story. Lord, she is one sick little woman.

There is no frame of reference I have to view this. I can't imagine any woman I have ever met would do such a thing.

Obviously quite a psychopathic person, and should be hung. Twenty or so years in jail will do nothing for her or to her. Any remorse she might display would only be to shorten her sentence.

On the other hand there might be a few women in prison who might take a dim view to strangling one's daughter and perhaps make her life there a tad on the unpleasant side. Hopefully.

:angry3:

 

[Twila]

Obviously quite a psychopathic person, and should be hung. Twenty or so years in jail will do nothing for her or to her. Any remorse she might display would only be to shorten her sentence.

If she is a true psychopath there is nothing that can be done to cure her. She will never feel remorse and she will always be a threat to society. Warehousing (incarceration) is the only option (unless you are for the death penalty)

 

[Praxius]

If she is a true psychopath there is nothing that can be done to cure her. She will never feel remorse and she will always be a threat to society. Warehousing (incarceration) is the only option (unless you are for the death penalty)

I am.

In fact this morning as I woke up to the radio, they have their regular poll questions for people to give feedback on through call ins..... the greater majority feel that her punishment didn't fit the crime and every single person they played messages from all said she should be strangled in the same manner or just simply executed..... great way to wake up in the morning, but kinda shows where people's views stand around here.

 

[JLM]

If she is a true psychopath there is nothing that can be done to cure her. She will never feel remorse and she will always be a threat to society. Warehousing (incarceration) is the only option (unless you are for the death penalty)

ABSOLUTELY, annihalating the death penalty was nothing short of stupidity, there was NO REASON to annihilate it, just because it's still on the books "just in case" doesn't obligate it's use at any given time. Now when they is an obvious case to use it, we (the Canadian taxpayers) are screwed.

 

[lone wolf]

Next best is to put it on the grapevine and her in GP....

 

[Twila]

I'd like to believe that prison justice would rule her life regardless of her being PC or GP.