Missing airliner carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search
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Maybe Malaysia is using Loc's radar. I may have seen a mid-air collision over Flint Mich. about a half hour ago going by the intel on it....
So the latest update/speculation is either one or both of the pilots did it...
The final words heard from the cockpit of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 before it disappeared without trace were “all right, goodnight”, it has been revealed.
One of the pilots is reported to have made the comment by radio as the plane passed from Malaysian to Vietnamese air space. It is then said to have disappeared from radar screens.
The pilot’s sign-off was reportedly described by Malaysia’s ambassador in Beijing during a meeting with relatives of missing Chinese passengers. It came as the first photograph of pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah emerged.
Malaysia today vowed that it would “never give up hope” of saving the passengers on the missing flight as the search for the aircraft was ex
The final words heard from the cockpit of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 before it disappeared without trace were “all right, goodnight”, it has been revealed.
One of the pilots is reported to have made the comment by radio as the plane passed from Malaysian to Vietnamese air space. It is then said to have disappeared from radar screens.
The pilot’s sign-off was reportedly described by Malaysia’s ambassador in Beijing during a meeting with relatives of missing Chinese passengers. It came as the first photograph of pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah emerged.
Malaysia today vowed that it would “never give up hope” of saving the passengers on the missing flight as the search for the aircraft was ex
The most plausible explanation of this mystery that i've heard is the least sexy.
It doesn't involve conspiracy or intrigue or hijacking or absconding by the pilots. It's that of gradual hypoxia. A slow leaking of the oxygen at altitude that would have gradually and imperceptably disabled the pilots reasoning faculties.
That could have led the uncoordinated and irrational actions of turning systems off, turning the plane, engaging and disengaging the autopilot, failing to communicate with air traffic control. The pilots might have been in and out of consciousness and dimly aware of the crisis but unable to respond to it.
In that case the plane is likely in the Indian Ocean. There is no way that it could pass through the radar traps, even at a low altitude, over South East and Mid Asia, one of the most intensively militarized regions of the world.. with 3 hostile nations (China, India and Pakistan) equipped with nuclear weapons.
The flight path reminds me of the crash of a business jet on which Payne Stewart was killed in 1999, when the crew and passengers were disabled by hypoxia while the autopilot was engaged. The same wild changes in altitude and drifting far off course happened before it crashed in South Dakota.
I think the situation might be much less sinister, although no less tragic, than where the wild speculation is taking us now.
It doesn't involve conspiracy or intrigue or hijacking or absconding by the pilots. It's that of gradual hypoxia. A slow leaking of the oxygen at altitude that would have gradually and imperceptably disabled the pilots reasoning faculties.
That could have led the uncoordinated and irrational actions of turning systems off, turning the plane, engaging and disengaging the autopilot, failing to communicate with air traffic control. The pilots might have been in and out of consciousness and dimly aware of the crisis but unable to respond to it.
In that case the plane is likely in the Indian Ocean. There is no way that it could pass through the radar traps, even at a low altitude, over South East and Mid Asia, one of the most intensively militarized regions of the world.. with 3 hostile nations (China, India and Pakistan) equipped with nuclear weapons.
The flight path reminds me of the crash of a business jet on which Payne Stewart was killed in 1999, when the crew and passengers were disabled by hypoxia while the autopilot was engaged. The same wild changes in altitude and drifting far off course happened before it crashed in South Dakota.
I think the situation might be much less sinister, although no less tragic, than where the wild speculation is taking us now.
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I read, in one of the too-many "news" reports, of a radar track that extended to 45,000 feet - well beyond a 777's ceiling. If that's the case, hypoxia would be a real possibility.
Hypoxia isn't a bad way to go. It's just like going to sleep. Rest easy now, folks....
Movie based on Malaysia Airlines tragedy shopped at Cannes
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First posted: Friday, May 16, 2014 03:47 PM EDT | Updated: Friday, May 16, 2014 04:03 PM EDT
Plans for a movie loosely based on the missing Malaysia Airlines plane mystery have been unveiled at the Cannes International Film Festival in France.
The investigation into the March disappearance of Flight MH370, which had been en route from the Malaysian capital of Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, China, is still ongoing, but local officials previously announced the plane is believed to have crashed in the southern Indian Ocean and that all 239 passengers and crew members are presumed dead.
The tragedy has inspired the story behind The Vanishing Act, a new film which is being promoted at Cannes. The producers claim the movie will tell "the untold story" of the missing plane - even though authorities in a number of nations, including Malaysia, Australia and China, have yet to find any evidence of aircraft debris or human remains.
Indian filmmaker Rupesh Paul will direct the movie, which he hopes to begin shooting in India and the U.S. in time for a proposed September release.
However, a representative at his Rupesh Paul Productions firm insists the film is not a direct adaptation of the real-life disaster, as few real facts are actually known about what really happened to flight MH370.
The movie's associate director, Sritama Dutta, tells the Associated Press the only similarity between the film and the plane tragedy is that it involves a missing aircraft, adding, "We cannot keep up with the true facts, it's changing every day."
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WENN.com
First posted: Friday, May 16, 2014 03:47 PM EDT | Updated: Friday, May 16, 2014 04:03 PM EDT
Plans for a movie loosely based on the missing Malaysia Airlines plane mystery have been unveiled at the Cannes International Film Festival in France.
The investigation into the March disappearance of Flight MH370, which had been en route from the Malaysian capital of Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, China, is still ongoing, but local officials previously announced the plane is believed to have crashed in the southern Indian Ocean and that all 239 passengers and crew members are presumed dead.
The tragedy has inspired the story behind The Vanishing Act, a new film which is being promoted at Cannes. The producers claim the movie will tell "the untold story" of the missing plane - even though authorities in a number of nations, including Malaysia, Australia and China, have yet to find any evidence of aircraft debris or human remains.
Indian filmmaker Rupesh Paul will direct the movie, which he hopes to begin shooting in India and the U.S. in time for a proposed September release.
However, a representative at his Rupesh Paul Productions firm insists the film is not a direct adaptation of the real-life disaster, as few real facts are actually known about what really happened to flight MH370.
The movie's associate director, Sritama Dutta, tells the Associated Press the only similarity between the film and the plane tragedy is that it involves a missing aircraft, adding, "We cannot keep up with the true facts, it's changing every day."
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MH370 Investigators cast doubt on catastrophic fire evidence
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Thursday, September 22, 2016 01:37 AM EDT | Updated: Thursday, September 22, 2016 08:35 AM EDT
CANBERRA, Australia — Accident investigators on Thursday cast doubt on the possibility that blackened debris found on Madagascar is evidence of a catastrophic fire aboard the missing Malaysian airliner that went down more than two years ago.
Wreckage hunter Blaine Gibson hand-delivered five pieces of debris last week to officials at the Australian Transport Safety Bureau who are searching for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.
The bureau said in a statement Thursday that investigators had yet to determine whether the pieces were from the Boeing 777 that is thought to have plunged into the Indian Ocean with 239 people on board southwest of Australia on March 8, 2014.
But a preliminary examination found that two fiberglass-honeycomb pieces were not burnt, but had been discolored by a reaction in resin that had not been caused by exposure to fire or heat, the statement said.
There were three small areas of heat damage on one of the pieces which created a burnt odour. However, that odour suggested the heat damage was recent, it said.
“It was considered that burning odours would generally dissipate after an extended period of environmental exposure, including salt water immersion, as expected for items originating from” the missing plane, the statement said.
Gibson has collected 14 pieces of debris potentially from the missing plane, including a triangular panel stenciled “no step” that he found in Mozambique in February. Officials say that panel was almost certainly a horizontal stabilizer from a Flight 370 wing.
Gibson had said the darkened surfaces of the latest debris could be evidence that a fire ended the flight far from its scheduled route from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing. But he conceded he had no idea when the apparent heat damaged had occurred.
A sonar search of 120,000 square kilometres (46,000 square miles) of seabed which is calculated to be the most likely crash site in the southern Indian Ocean is almost complete without any trace of the plane being found.
MH370 Investigators cast doubt on catastrophic fire evidence | World | News | To
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Thursday, September 22, 2016 01:37 AM EDT | Updated: Thursday, September 22, 2016 08:35 AM EDT
CANBERRA, Australia — Accident investigators on Thursday cast doubt on the possibility that blackened debris found on Madagascar is evidence of a catastrophic fire aboard the missing Malaysian airliner that went down more than two years ago.
Wreckage hunter Blaine Gibson hand-delivered five pieces of debris last week to officials at the Australian Transport Safety Bureau who are searching for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.
The bureau said in a statement Thursday that investigators had yet to determine whether the pieces were from the Boeing 777 that is thought to have plunged into the Indian Ocean with 239 people on board southwest of Australia on March 8, 2014.
But a preliminary examination found that two fiberglass-honeycomb pieces were not burnt, but had been discolored by a reaction in resin that had not been caused by exposure to fire or heat, the statement said.
There were three small areas of heat damage on one of the pieces which created a burnt odour. However, that odour suggested the heat damage was recent, it said.
“It was considered that burning odours would generally dissipate after an extended period of environmental exposure, including salt water immersion, as expected for items originating from” the missing plane, the statement said.
Gibson has collected 14 pieces of debris potentially from the missing plane, including a triangular panel stenciled “no step” that he found in Mozambique in February. Officials say that panel was almost certainly a horizontal stabilizer from a Flight 370 wing.
Gibson had said the darkened surfaces of the latest debris could be evidence that a fire ended the flight far from its scheduled route from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing. But he conceded he had no idea when the apparent heat damaged had occurred.
A sonar search of 120,000 square kilometres (46,000 square miles) of seabed which is calculated to be the most likely crash site in the southern Indian Ocean is almost complete without any trace of the plane being found.
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Considering what one Political leader from the area is saying I expected it to be his plane. Glad it isn't.
Wing part found on Mauritius confirmed to be part of MH370
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Friday, October 07, 2016 12:59 AM EDT | Updated: Friday, October 07, 2016 01:04 AM EDT
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — A piece of an aircraft wing found on the Indian Ocean island of Mauritius has been identified as belonging to missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, Malaysian and Australian officials said Friday.
The piece of wing flap was found in May and subsequently analyzed by experts at the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which is heading up the search for the plane in a remote stretch of ocean off Australia’s west coast. Investigators used a part number found on the debris to link it to the missing Boeing 777, the agency said in a statement. Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai also confirmed the identification.
Several pieces of wreckage from the plane have washed ashore on coastlines around the Indian Ocean since the aircraft vanished with 239 people on board during a flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing on March 8, 2014.
So far, none of the debris has helped narrow down the precise location of the main underwater wreckage. Investigators need to find that in order to locate the flight data recorders that could help explain why the plane veered so far off-course.
Search crews are expected to finish their sweep of the 120,000 square kilometre (46,000 square mile) search zone in the Indian Ocean by December.
Oceanographers have been analyzing wing flaps found in Tanzania and on the French island of La Reunion to see if they might be able to identify a potential new search area through drift modeling. But any new search would require more funding; Malaysia, Australia and China said in July that the $160 million hunt will be suspended once the current stretch of ocean is exhausted unless new evidence emerges that would pinpoint a specific location of the aircraft.
Wing part found on Mauritius confirmed to be part of MH370 | World | News | Toro
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Friday, October 07, 2016 12:59 AM EDT | Updated: Friday, October 07, 2016 01:04 AM EDT
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — A piece of an aircraft wing found on the Indian Ocean island of Mauritius has been identified as belonging to missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, Malaysian and Australian officials said Friday.
The piece of wing flap was found in May and subsequently analyzed by experts at the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which is heading up the search for the plane in a remote stretch of ocean off Australia’s west coast. Investigators used a part number found on the debris to link it to the missing Boeing 777, the agency said in a statement. Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai also confirmed the identification.
Several pieces of wreckage from the plane have washed ashore on coastlines around the Indian Ocean since the aircraft vanished with 239 people on board during a flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing on March 8, 2014.
So far, none of the debris has helped narrow down the precise location of the main underwater wreckage. Investigators need to find that in order to locate the flight data recorders that could help explain why the plane veered so far off-course.
Search crews are expected to finish their sweep of the 120,000 square kilometre (46,000 square mile) search zone in the Indian Ocean by December.
Oceanographers have been analyzing wing flaps found in Tanzania and on the French island of La Reunion to see if they might be able to identify a potential new search area through drift modeling. But any new search would require more funding; Malaysia, Australia and China said in July that the $160 million hunt will be suspended once the current stretch of ocean is exhausted unless new evidence emerges that would pinpoint a specific location of the aircraft.
Wing part found on Mauritius confirmed to be part of MH370 | World | News | Toro
New MH370 analysis suggests no one at controls when it crashed
Kristen Gelineau,THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 08:36 AM EDT
SYDNEY, Australia — A fresh analysis of the final moments of doomed Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 suggests no one was controlling the plane when it plunged into the ocean, according to a report released by investigators on Wednesday, as experts hunting for the aircraft gathered in Australia’s capital to discuss the fading search effort.
A technical report released by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which leads the search, seems to support the theory investigators have long favoured: that no one was at the controls of the Boeing 777 when it ran out of fuel and dove at high speed into a remote patch of the Indian Ocean off western Australia in 2014.
In recent months, critics have increasingly been pushing the alternate theory that someone was still controlling the plane at the end of its flight. If that was the case, the aircraft could have glided much farther, tripling in size the possible area where it could have crashed and further complicating the already hugely complex effort to find it.
But Wednesday’s report shows that the latest analysis of satellite data is consistent with the plane being in a “high and increasing rate of descent” in its final moments. The report also said that an analysis of a wing flap that washed ashore in Tanzania indicates the flap was likely not deployed when it broke off the plane. A pilot would typically extend the flaps during a controlled ditching.
Peter Foley, the bureau’s director of Flight 370 search operations, has previously said that if the flap was not deployed, it would almost certainly rule out the theory that the plane entered the water in a controlled ditch and would effectively validate that searchers are looking in the right place for the wreckage.
“(It) means the aircraft wasn’t configured for a landing or a ditching — you can draw your own conclusions as to whether that means someone was in control,” Foley told reporters in Canberra on Wednesday. “You can never be 100%. We are very reluctant to express absolute certainty.”
The report’s release comes as a team of international and Australian experts begin a three-day summit in Canberra to re-examine all the data associated with the hunt for the plane, which vanished during a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, 2014, with 239 people on board.
More than 20 items of debris suspected or confirmed to be from the plane have washed ashore on coastlines throughout the Indian Ocean. But a deep-sea sonar search for the main underwater wreckage has found nothing. Crews are expect to complete their sweep of the 120,000-square kilometre (46,000-square mile) search zone by early next year and officials have said there are no plans to extend the hunt unless new evidence emerges that would pinpoint a specific location of the aircraft.
Australian Transport Minister Darren Chester said experts involved in this week’s summit will be working on guidance for any potential future search operations.
Experts have been preemptively trying to define a new search area by studying where in the Indian Ocean the first piece of wreckage recovered from the plane — a wing flap known as a flaperon — most likely drifted from after the plane crashed.
Several replica flaperons were set adrift to see whether it is the wind or the currents that primarily affect how they move across the water. The results of that experiment have been factored into a fresh drift analysis of the debris. The preliminary results of that analysis, published in Wednesday’s report, suggest the debris may have originated in the current search area, or to its north. The transport bureau cautioned that the analysis is ongoing and those results are likely to be refined.
New MH370 analysis suggests no one at controls when it crashed | World | News |
Kristen Gelineau,THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:10 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 08:36 AM EDT
SYDNEY, Australia — A fresh analysis of the final moments of doomed Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 suggests no one was controlling the plane when it plunged into the ocean, according to a report released by investigators on Wednesday, as experts hunting for the aircraft gathered in Australia’s capital to discuss the fading search effort.
A technical report released by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which leads the search, seems to support the theory investigators have long favoured: that no one was at the controls of the Boeing 777 when it ran out of fuel and dove at high speed into a remote patch of the Indian Ocean off western Australia in 2014.
In recent months, critics have increasingly been pushing the alternate theory that someone was still controlling the plane at the end of its flight. If that was the case, the aircraft could have glided much farther, tripling in size the possible area where it could have crashed and further complicating the already hugely complex effort to find it.
But Wednesday’s report shows that the latest analysis of satellite data is consistent with the plane being in a “high and increasing rate of descent” in its final moments. The report also said that an analysis of a wing flap that washed ashore in Tanzania indicates the flap was likely not deployed when it broke off the plane. A pilot would typically extend the flaps during a controlled ditching.
Peter Foley, the bureau’s director of Flight 370 search operations, has previously said that if the flap was not deployed, it would almost certainly rule out the theory that the plane entered the water in a controlled ditch and would effectively validate that searchers are looking in the right place for the wreckage.
“(It) means the aircraft wasn’t configured for a landing or a ditching — you can draw your own conclusions as to whether that means someone was in control,” Foley told reporters in Canberra on Wednesday. “You can never be 100%. We are very reluctant to express absolute certainty.”
The report’s release comes as a team of international and Australian experts begin a three-day summit in Canberra to re-examine all the data associated with the hunt for the plane, which vanished during a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, 2014, with 239 people on board.
More than 20 items of debris suspected or confirmed to be from the plane have washed ashore on coastlines throughout the Indian Ocean. But a deep-sea sonar search for the main underwater wreckage has found nothing. Crews are expect to complete their sweep of the 120,000-square kilometre (46,000-square mile) search zone by early next year and officials have said there are no plans to extend the hunt unless new evidence emerges that would pinpoint a specific location of the aircraft.
Australian Transport Minister Darren Chester said experts involved in this week’s summit will be working on guidance for any potential future search operations.
Experts have been preemptively trying to define a new search area by studying where in the Indian Ocean the first piece of wreckage recovered from the plane — a wing flap known as a flaperon — most likely drifted from after the plane crashed.
Several replica flaperons were set adrift to see whether it is the wind or the currents that primarily affect how they move across the water. The results of that experiment have been factored into a fresh drift analysis of the debris. The preliminary results of that analysis, published in Wednesday’s report, suggest the debris may have originated in the current search area, or to its north. The transport bureau cautioned that the analysis is ongoing and those results are likely to be refined.
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