Missing airliner carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search
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funny (odd) when this happened ( the prime minister of malaysia's speech)I said to a friend
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and shortly there after it did
more then once
'Almost inconceivable’ Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 mystery still baffles experts
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 08:08 AM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 11:03 AM EDT
SYDNEY, Australia — A report on the almost three-year search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 said Tuesday the continuing mystery over the fate of the plane and the 239 people on board is “almost inconceivable.”
But the Australian Transport Safety Bureau’s final report on the search, which was abandoned in January, concedes that authorities are no closer to knowing the reasons for the plane’s disappearance, or its exact location. This is despite last year’s narrowing down of its most likely resting place to a 25,000-square kilometre (9,650-square mile) patch of the southern Indian Ocean.
The Boeing 777 carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew disappeared soon into its flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, 2014.
A 52-day surface search covered an area of several million square kilometres (square miles) in the Indian Ocean west of Australia, before an underwater search mapped 710,000 square kilometres (274,000 square miles) of seabed at depths of up to 6,000 metres (20,000 feet). They were the largest aviation searches of their kind in history, the bureau said.
Despite other methods such as studying satellite imagery and investigating ocean drifts after debris from the plane washed ashore on islands in the eastern Indian Ocean and the east coast of Africa, the 1,046-day search was called off by the governments of Malaysia, China and Australia on Jan. 17.
“The reasons for the loss of MH370 cannot be established with certainty until the aircraft is found,” the bureau, which co-ordinated the search, said in the 440-page report.
“It is almost inconceivable and certainly societally unacceptable in the modern aviation era with 10 million passengers boarding commercial aircraft every day, for a large commercial aircraft to be missing and for the world not to know with certainty what became of the aircraft and those on board,” it said.
“The ATSB expresses our deepest sympathies to the families of the passengers and crew on board MH370. We share your profound and prolonged grief, and deeply regret that we have not been able to locate the aircraft, nor those 239 souls on board that remain missing.”
However, the report said the understanding of where the plane may be is “better now than it has ever been,” partly as a result of studying debris that washed ashore in 2015 and 2016 which showed the plane was “not configured for a ditching at the end-of-flight,” meaning it had run out of fuel.
The search team also looked back at satellite imagery which showed objects in the ocean that may have been MH370 debris. The report said this analysis complemented work detailed in a 2016 review and identified an area of less than 25,000 square kilometres (9,650 square miles) — roughly the size of the U.S. state of Vermont — that “has the highest likelihood of containing MH370.”
The bureau noted the Malaysian government is “continuing work on their investigation of the facts and circumstances surrounding the loss of MH370.”
The search was extremely difficult because no transmissions were received from the aircraft after its first 38 minutes of flight. Systems designed to automatically transmit the flight’s position failed to work after this point, the report said.
Subsequent analysis of radar and satellite communication data revealed the aircraft had continued to fly for seven hours. Its last positively known position was fixed at the northern tip of Sumatra by surveillance systems operating that night, six hours before it ended its flight in the southern Indian Ocean.
The bureau said the search had at least led to some important gains in the field of locating missing aircraft on flights over deep ocean areas, with improvements made to systems for tracking aircraft.
“Steps are being taken to advance other aircraft systems including emergency locator transponders and flight recorder locator beacons,” the report said.
ATSB Chief Commissioner Greg Hood praised the commitment of everyone involved in the search.
“This was an unprecedented endeavour and there has been an extraordinary response from the global community,” he said in a statement.
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'Almost inconceivable
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 08:08 AM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 11:03 AM EDT
SYDNEY, Australia — A report on the almost three-year search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 said Tuesday the continuing mystery over the fate of the plane and the 239 people on board is “almost inconceivable.”
But the Australian Transport Safety Bureau’s final report on the search, which was abandoned in January, concedes that authorities are no closer to knowing the reasons for the plane’s disappearance, or its exact location. This is despite last year’s narrowing down of its most likely resting place to a 25,000-square kilometre (9,650-square mile) patch of the southern Indian Ocean.
The Boeing 777 carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew disappeared soon into its flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, 2014.
A 52-day surface search covered an area of several million square kilometres (square miles) in the Indian Ocean west of Australia, before an underwater search mapped 710,000 square kilometres (274,000 square miles) of seabed at depths of up to 6,000 metres (20,000 feet). They were the largest aviation searches of their kind in history, the bureau said.
Despite other methods such as studying satellite imagery and investigating ocean drifts after debris from the plane washed ashore on islands in the eastern Indian Ocean and the east coast of Africa, the 1,046-day search was called off by the governments of Malaysia, China and Australia on Jan. 17.
“The reasons for the loss of MH370 cannot be established with certainty until the aircraft is found,” the bureau, which co-ordinated the search, said in the 440-page report.
“It is almost inconceivable and certainly societally unacceptable in the modern aviation era with 10 million passengers boarding commercial aircraft every day, for a large commercial aircraft to be missing and for the world not to know with certainty what became of the aircraft and those on board,” it said.
“The ATSB expresses our deepest sympathies to the families of the passengers and crew on board MH370. We share your profound and prolonged grief, and deeply regret that we have not been able to locate the aircraft, nor those 239 souls on board that remain missing.”
However, the report said the understanding of where the plane may be is “better now than it has ever been,” partly as a result of studying debris that washed ashore in 2015 and 2016 which showed the plane was “not configured for a ditching at the end-of-flight,” meaning it had run out of fuel.
The search team also looked back at satellite imagery which showed objects in the ocean that may have been MH370 debris. The report said this analysis complemented work detailed in a 2016 review and identified an area of less than 25,000 square kilometres (9,650 square miles) — roughly the size of the U.S. state of Vermont — that “has the highest likelihood of containing MH370.”
The bureau noted the Malaysian government is “continuing work on their investigation of the facts and circumstances surrounding the loss of MH370.”
The search was extremely difficult because no transmissions were received from the aircraft after its first 38 minutes of flight. Systems designed to automatically transmit the flight’s position failed to work after this point, the report said.
Subsequent analysis of radar and satellite communication data revealed the aircraft had continued to fly for seven hours. Its last positively known position was fixed at the northern tip of Sumatra by surveillance systems operating that night, six hours before it ended its flight in the southern Indian Ocean.
The bureau said the search had at least led to some important gains in the field of locating missing aircraft on flights over deep ocean areas, with improvements made to systems for tracking aircraft.
“Steps are being taken to advance other aircraft systems including emergency locator transponders and flight recorder locator beacons,” the report said.
ATSB Chief Commissioner Greg Hood praised the commitment of everyone involved in the search.
“This was an unprecedented endeavour and there has been an extraordinary response from the global community,” he said in a statement.
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'Almost inconceivable
It's incompetent that they still rely on "black boxes" and not on real time telemetry. The engine manufacturers track their engines in real time but the fate of the rest of the aircraft is only known if they manage to find it in a huge expanse of ocean.
The Australians must be fed up doing someone else's hard slogging work, systematically searching an ocean area the size of North America.
The Australians must be fed up doing someone else's hard slogging work, systematically searching an ocean area the size of North America.
Was MH370 plane crash a murder-suicide? Cdn aviation expert thinks so
Postmedia News
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Published:
May 17, 2018
Updated:
May 17, 2018 4:49 PM EDT
This handout picture released by the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation on April 21, 2017 shows a modified genuine Boeing 777 flaperon tested in waters near Hobart, the capital of Tasmania, to help determine where the final resting place of missing Malaysia Airlines jet MH370 might be.HANDOUT/AFP/Getty Images
While Australian Transport Safety Bureau concluded that Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 crashed because it ran out of fuel, one Canadian expert believes differently: One of the pilots made it crash into the ocean.
Flight 370 disappeared March 8, 2014, while en route from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing, China with 239 people aboard. No transmissions were received from the aircraft after its first 38 minutes of flight, but it is believed to have crashed in the far southern Indian Ocean based on the drift patterns of crash debris that washed ashore on distant beaches.
Larry Vance, a former Transportation Safety Board of Canada investigator, told CBC news, he believes the crash was not an accident.
“This was planned and conducted, carried out by one individual who had control of the airplane via his job to have control of the airplane,” Vance told the news agency.
“One of the pilots eliminated the other pilot and took the airplane to the ocean and intentionally ditched it,” the same expert told Global News.
“It would certainly fit to call it a murder-suicide,” he said, according to CBC.
The governments of Malaysia, China and Australia called off the nearly three-year official search in January 2017.
Vance, who teaches courses in accident investigation, was not part of the official search but spent 18 months investigating the crash for his new book MH370 Mystery Solved, set to be released May 23.
Based on photos of the wreckage, he and his team determined that the plane’s flaps were down when it crashed, which means it hit the water at a lower speed, according to media reports.
“We would call that a controlled ditching into the water,” Vance told CBC. “And the only way that could happen is if somebody was flying the airplane.”
It would also mean that the plane didn’t run out of fuel. Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah had ordered an extra two hours of fuel, so Vance believes it was likely him and not the co-pilot, Fariq Ab Hamid, who caused the crash.
Though, that is just a guess.
Vance appeared on an episode of 60 Minutes Australia with other experts to discuss the crash.
The group said on the episode they believe Shah turned off the transponder, depressurized the plane to knock out the passengers and then flew off-course to sink the plane.
“He was killing himself,” Vance said in the episode. “Unfortunately, he was killing everyone else onboard. And he did it deliberately.”
However, not everyone who appeared on the show agreed.
Martin Dolan, the former head of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau who led the search for MH370, said it’s only speculation the flaps were down.
“The evidence is not yet sufficient to draw as firm a conclusion,” Dolan said on 60 Minutes Australia.
– With Files From The Associated Press
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'100% certainty' MH370 crash was murder-suicide, former investigator says | CBC News
http://globalnews.ca/news/4215390/flight-mh370-crash-murder-suicide-canadian-expert
Was MH370 plane crash a murder-suicide? Cdn aviation expert thinks so | Toronto Sun
Postmedia News
More from Postmedia News
Published:
May 17, 2018
Updated:
May 17, 2018 4:49 PM EDT
This handout picture released by the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation on April 21, 2017 shows a modified genuine Boeing 777 flaperon tested in waters near Hobart, the capital of Tasmania, to help determine where the final resting place of missing Malaysia Airlines jet MH370 might be.HANDOUT/AFP/Getty Images
While Australian Transport Safety Bureau concluded that Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 crashed because it ran out of fuel, one Canadian expert believes differently: One of the pilots made it crash into the ocean.
Flight 370 disappeared March 8, 2014, while en route from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing, China with 239 people aboard. No transmissions were received from the aircraft after its first 38 minutes of flight, but it is believed to have crashed in the far southern Indian Ocean based on the drift patterns of crash debris that washed ashore on distant beaches.
Larry Vance, a former Transportation Safety Board of Canada investigator, told CBC news, he believes the crash was not an accident.
“This was planned and conducted, carried out by one individual who had control of the airplane via his job to have control of the airplane,” Vance told the news agency.
“One of the pilots eliminated the other pilot and took the airplane to the ocean and intentionally ditched it,” the same expert told Global News.
“It would certainly fit to call it a murder-suicide,” he said, according to CBC.
The governments of Malaysia, China and Australia called off the nearly three-year official search in January 2017.
Vance, who teaches courses in accident investigation, was not part of the official search but spent 18 months investigating the crash for his new book MH370 Mystery Solved, set to be released May 23.
Based on photos of the wreckage, he and his team determined that the plane’s flaps were down when it crashed, which means it hit the water at a lower speed, according to media reports.
“We would call that a controlled ditching into the water,” Vance told CBC. “And the only way that could happen is if somebody was flying the airplane.”
It would also mean that the plane didn’t run out of fuel. Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah had ordered an extra two hours of fuel, so Vance believes it was likely him and not the co-pilot, Fariq Ab Hamid, who caused the crash.
Though, that is just a guess.
Vance appeared on an episode of 60 Minutes Australia with other experts to discuss the crash.
The group said on the episode they believe Shah turned off the transponder, depressurized the plane to knock out the passengers and then flew off-course to sink the plane.
“He was killing himself,” Vance said in the episode. “Unfortunately, he was killing everyone else onboard. And he did it deliberately.”
However, not everyone who appeared on the show agreed.
Martin Dolan, the former head of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau who led the search for MH370, said it’s only speculation the flaps were down.
“The evidence is not yet sufficient to draw as firm a conclusion,” Dolan said on 60 Minutes Australia.
– With Files From The Associated Press
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'100% certainty' MH370 crash was murder-suicide, former investigator says | CBC News
http://globalnews.ca/news/4215390/flight-mh370-crash-murder-suicide-canadian-expert
Was MH370 plane crash a murder-suicide? Cdn aviation expert thinks so | Toronto Sun
MH370 mystery: 'Unlawful intervention by a third party' possible, report says
Associated Press
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Published:
July 30, 2018
Updated:
July 30, 2018 11:28 AM EDT
The shadow of a Royal New Zealand Air Force P3 Orion is seen on low level cloud while the aircraft searches for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean, near the coast of Western Australia, on March 31, 2014. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)
PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia — A Malaysian-led independent investigation report released Monday, more than four years after Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared, highlighted shortcomings in the government’s response and raised the possibility of “intervention by a third party.”
The report, prepared by a 19-member international team, reiterated Malaysia’s assertion the plane was deliberately diverted and flown for over seven hours after severing communications.
Chief investigator Kok Soo Chon said the cause of the disappearance cannot be determined until the wreckage and the plane’s black boxes are found. He said there was no evidence of abnormal behaviour or stress in the two pilots that could lead them to hijack the plane but all passengers were also cleared by police and had no pilot training.
“We are not of the opinion that it could be an event committed by the pilot,” Kok told a media briefing.
“We cannot rule out unlawful interference by a third party,” such as someone holding the pilots hostage, he said. But he added that no group has said it hijacked the plane and no ransom demands have been made, compounding the mystery. Kok said it was up to police to investigate.
He said the investigation showed lapses by air traffic control, including a failure to swiftly initiate an emergency response and monitor radar continuously, relying too much on information from Malaysia Airlines and not getting in touch with the military for help.
The plane carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing vanished March 8, 2014, and is presumed to have crashed in the far southern Indian Ocean. The report said there was insufficient information to determine if the aircraft broke up in the air or during impact with the ocean.
Scattered pieces of debris that washed ashore on African beaches and Indian Ocean islands indicated a distant remote stretch of the ocean where the plane likely crashed. But a government search by Australia, Malaysia and China failed to pinpoint a location. And a second, private search by U.S. company Ocean Infinity that finished at the end of May also found no sign of the wreckage.
Family members of those on board the plane said after a briefing by the investigation team that they were frustrated because there were many gaps in the probe and questions left unanswered.
“There is nothing new but it highlighted failings of some government agencies” that did not follow protocol and guidelines, said Grace Nathan, whose mother was on board the plane.
She said the scope of the safety investigation was also too limited, depended too much on information supplied to them by other parties rather than on their own probe, and didn’t discuss the scope of the searches.
Sakinab Shah, sister of senior pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, said she felt “relieved and happy” that Zaharie was again cleared of blame.
“But still, it cannot end here. They have to continue the search until they find the plane,” she said.
Officials said Monday’s report is still not a final accounting because the plane hasn’t been found. Malaysia’s government has said it is open to resume searching if credible evidence of the plane’s location emerges.
The “rogue pilot” theory still arises in public discussions despite Malaysian authorities saying there was no evidence linking Zaharie or his co-pilot, Fariq Abdul Hamid, to any wrongdoing.
Kok said it was “human nature” to speculate on sensational conspiracy theories but that the team relied on facts.
He said police retrieved over 2,700 co-ordinates from various file segments found in Zaharie’s home flight simulator. This included seven “manually programmed waypoint co-ordinates” that when linked could fly from the Kuala Lumpur airport to the southern Indian Ocean, but police could not determine if the co-ordinates were found in a single file or from different files, he said.
Police didn’t find any data that showed a similar route flown by Flight 370 and concluded that there were “no unusual activities other than game-related flight simulations,” Kok said.
He said investigators couldn’t find any flaws with the plane and dismissed the theory that it was remotely controlled. Boeing has such technology to foil plane hijacking but hasn’t used it on any commercial planes, he added.
New Malaysian Transport Minister Anthony Loke said the government will investigate and take action against any misconduct based on the report findings.
http://torontosun.com/news/world/mh...vention-by-a-third-party-possible-report-says
Associated Press
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Published:
July 30, 2018
Updated:
July 30, 2018 11:28 AM EDT
The shadow of a Royal New Zealand Air Force P3 Orion is seen on low level cloud while the aircraft searches for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean, near the coast of Western Australia, on March 31, 2014. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith)
PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia — A Malaysian-led independent investigation report released Monday, more than four years after Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared, highlighted shortcomings in the government’s response and raised the possibility of “intervention by a third party.”
The report, prepared by a 19-member international team, reiterated Malaysia’s assertion the plane was deliberately diverted and flown for over seven hours after severing communications.
Chief investigator Kok Soo Chon said the cause of the disappearance cannot be determined until the wreckage and the plane’s black boxes are found. He said there was no evidence of abnormal behaviour or stress in the two pilots that could lead them to hijack the plane but all passengers were also cleared by police and had no pilot training.
“We are not of the opinion that it could be an event committed by the pilot,” Kok told a media briefing.
“We cannot rule out unlawful interference by a third party,” such as someone holding the pilots hostage, he said. But he added that no group has said it hijacked the plane and no ransom demands have been made, compounding the mystery. Kok said it was up to police to investigate.
He said the investigation showed lapses by air traffic control, including a failure to swiftly initiate an emergency response and monitor radar continuously, relying too much on information from Malaysia Airlines and not getting in touch with the military for help.
The plane carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing vanished March 8, 2014, and is presumed to have crashed in the far southern Indian Ocean. The report said there was insufficient information to determine if the aircraft broke up in the air or during impact with the ocean.
Scattered pieces of debris that washed ashore on African beaches and Indian Ocean islands indicated a distant remote stretch of the ocean where the plane likely crashed. But a government search by Australia, Malaysia and China failed to pinpoint a location. And a second, private search by U.S. company Ocean Infinity that finished at the end of May also found no sign of the wreckage.
Family members of those on board the plane said after a briefing by the investigation team that they were frustrated because there were many gaps in the probe and questions left unanswered.
“There is nothing new but it highlighted failings of some government agencies” that did not follow protocol and guidelines, said Grace Nathan, whose mother was on board the plane.
She said the scope of the safety investigation was also too limited, depended too much on information supplied to them by other parties rather than on their own probe, and didn’t discuss the scope of the searches.
Sakinab Shah, sister of senior pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, said she felt “relieved and happy” that Zaharie was again cleared of blame.
“But still, it cannot end here. They have to continue the search until they find the plane,” she said.
Officials said Monday’s report is still not a final accounting because the plane hasn’t been found. Malaysia’s government has said it is open to resume searching if credible evidence of the plane’s location emerges.
The “rogue pilot” theory still arises in public discussions despite Malaysian authorities saying there was no evidence linking Zaharie or his co-pilot, Fariq Abdul Hamid, to any wrongdoing.
Kok said it was “human nature” to speculate on sensational conspiracy theories but that the team relied on facts.
He said police retrieved over 2,700 co-ordinates from various file segments found in Zaharie’s home flight simulator. This included seven “manually programmed waypoint co-ordinates” that when linked could fly from the Kuala Lumpur airport to the southern Indian Ocean, but police could not determine if the co-ordinates were found in a single file or from different files, he said.
Police didn’t find any data that showed a similar route flown by Flight 370 and concluded that there were “no unusual activities other than game-related flight simulations,” Kok said.
He said investigators couldn’t find any flaws with the plane and dismissed the theory that it was remotely controlled. Boeing has such technology to foil plane hijacking but hasn’t used it on any commercial planes, he added.
New Malaysian Transport Minister Anthony Loke said the government will investigate and take action against any misconduct based on the report findings.
http://torontosun.com/news/world/mh...vention-by-a-third-party-possible-report-says