yep. I don't try to pretend my opinion is solid fact. But it doesn't make it any less my opinion that what you said is a racist twist on what CNN stated.
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Michelle Obama: The Perfect Role Model for Third World Women?
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yep. I don't try to pretend my opinion is solid fact. But it doesn't make it any less my opinion that what you said is a racist twist on what CNN stated.
No, I don't think New York would even have considered her if she wasn't Bill's wife. Without her husband, she would have had no claim to fame. She did nothing for NY, but did build up her public relations within the party.
That may be true, ironsides. However, she did not get elected because she was Bill’s wife; she got elected because she proved herself in the campaign. She had a tough opponent in the form of Vic Lazio. He was a moderate Republican, was photogenic and was a very good debater. For a long time the race was neck and neck until (after their debate) Hillary pulled ahead.
If she had not been a good politician, a good campaigner, the Republican would have won. New York has elected Republican Senators in the past, it is not unheard of. So you are right, Hillary got her foot in the door because she was Bill’s wife. However, she got elected because she was a good politician, an expert campaigner.
Indeed, she was so popular in New York that the next time Republicans only put up a token opposition against her. If she had been a lousy Senator, Republicans would have put up a serious challenge in 2006.
No, much as you may not want to admit the fact, Hillary is a shrewd politician, a smart campaigner, a seasoned statesman, who got her start because of her husband.
That may be true, ironsides. However, she did not get elected because she was Bill’s wife; she got elected because she proved herself in the campaign. She had a tough opponent in the form of Vic Lazio. He was a moderate Republican, was photogenic and was a very good debater. For a long time the race was neck and neck until (after their debate) Hillary pulled ahead.
If she had not been a good politician, a good campaigner, the Republican would have won. New York has elected Republican Senators in the past, it is not unheard of. So you are right, Hillary got her foot in the door because she was Bill’s wife. However, she got elected because she was a good politician, an expert campaigner.
Indeed, she was so popular in New York that the next time Republicans only put up a token opposition against her. If she had been a lousy Senator, Republicans would have put up a serious challenge in 2006.
No, much as you may not want to admit the fact, Hillary is a shrewd politician, a smart campaigner, a seasoned statesman, who got her start because of her husband.
Frankly SJP it is patently rediculous to place such stock in a CNN story as it is to suggest the wealthy and powerfull are roll models for anyone or anything including dogs.
Darkbeaver, it depends upon how one views CNN. I look at CNN as a reputable, respectable source of news one that is regarded highly by most people except for the most partisan. So when CNN says that third world women regard Michelle as a role model, I have no problem believing that.
On the other hand, if you think that CNN is a far left pinko commie network, then of course you wouldn’t’ believe a word it says. That is your prerogative.
And anyway, CNN did not suggest that Michelle is the role model for anybody. CNN merely reported that many third world women regard her as a role model.
You must think the third world populated by fools same as in the west.
Take it up with CNN, darkbeaver, it is their story, they say that Michelle is a role model for third world women (and I have no problem believing that, what CNN says makes very good sense to me).
Darkbeaver, it depends upon how one views CNN. I look at CNN as a reputable, respectable source of news one that is regarded highly by most people except for the most partisan. So when CNN says that third world women regard Michelle as a role model, I have no problem believing that.
On the other hand, if you think that CNN is a far left pinko commie network, then of course you wouldn’t’ believe a word it says. That is your prerogative.
And anyway, CNN did not suggest that Michelle is the role model for anybody. CNN merely reported that many third world women regard her as a role model.
You must think the third world populated by fools same as in the west.
Take it up with CNN, darkbeaver, it is their story, they say that Michelle is a role model for third world women (and I have no problem believing that, what CNN says makes very good sense to me).
Did you read the article? If not, I suggest you do so. According to the article, the first (and most important) reason why third world women relate to Michelle is that she has a dark skin (or she is as dark skinned as they come, karrie thinks that is racist, but I beg to differ). She looks like them, that is why they relate to her.
After that, there is the fact that she has only daughters, but no sons. That is a secondary factor. As to Laura Bush, her husband was intensely unpopular the world over, there was no way any woman, in the third world or developed world, was going to relate to Laura Bush. Third word women probably didn’t even know that Laura had only daughters.
New York is a Democratic State, a Republican may and has won the governorship occasionally, but that is about all. The State always has been Democratic in Presidential elections. During the senatorial election, it did seem that Lazio had a chance, some even wanted him to run for President some day. But the election against Clinton finished him. There were then as now no serious Republican candidates. I still think she could have had the Presidency in 2008, but her future is in Obama's hands now.
I seriously doubt that it would have been any better. Everybody knows she wears 540 $ shoes (which I don’t begrudge her, if she and her husband can afford them, more power to them). If she had changed her shoes before going to the food bank, no doubt she would have been criticized for that as well.
Her critics would have said, well, she wears 540 $ shoes normally, but she took them off just to visit food banks, how hypocritical of her. This way she was true to herself, and she showed that she doesn’t much care what her critics think. That is the right and proper attitude.
OK, ironsides, so here we are in agreement she did have a formidable opponent in 2000, in the form of Lazio. She managed to win because she was the better candidate.
New York is a Democratic State, a Republican may and has won the governorship occasionally, but that is about all.
Really? You are evidently forgetting Republican Senator from New York, Alfonse D’Amato, who was elected to Senate three times from New York (I think it was 1980 to 1998 , he served for 18 years. He was finally unseated by Chuck Schumer.
As I said before, it is not unheard of for New York to elect Republican Senators. Hillary had to work hard for her win; she earned the victory against Lazio. Next time of course, Republicans realized that Hilary was so popular that it was pointless to oppose her, so they only put up a token opposition (I don’t even remember who her opponent was).
As to her presidential aspirations, I think they are pretty much over. If Obama decides not to run in 2012, Hillary may be able to win the nomination. However, if Obama decides not to run, that will only be because the economy is in such a terrible mess that he has no chance of getting elected. In that case, Hillary wouldn’t have any chance of getting elected either.
She will be too old in 2016. So I think her presidential prospects are pretty much over.
I did forget D'Amato. He was lucky they didn't charge him for corruption. He really had political control on Long Island.Then lucky us, got Chuck Schumer. That was my place of residence then.
And poor Sarah Palin was accused of the same thing. What difference does it make what they wear.
"She will be too old in 2016. So I think her presidential prospects are pretty much over.
Disagree, SirJosephPorter. Age is the enemy of only white men. Exacerbated, if they happen to be war heroes.
Age did not hinder any well seasoned female. They became PM of Isreal. PM of England. Chancellor of Germany. Mayor of Mississauga.
Disagree, SirJosephPorter. Age is the enemy of only white men. Exacerbated, if they happen to be war heroes.
Age did not hinder any well seasoned female. They became PM of Isreal. PM of England. Chancellor of Germany. Mayor of Mississauga.
Yukon, the problem is the US presidential system. In the countries you mention, the leader is selected by the party. For that the leader doesn’t have to be charismatic, photogenic. In a parliamentary democracy, people vote for the party, rather than for the individual.
In US, the leader is elected by the primary election, and a candidate definitely has to have a lot of charisma, must be photogenic. I think Hillary will be 60 plus in 2016. It is very difficult for an old woman to be photogenic. Reagan was an exception (and he was a man, it is different for a man, even today)..
I think her presidential aspirations are just about over. If Obama decides not to run, she may win the nomination in 2012. But if Obama decides not to run (due to bad economic condition), I don’t see a Democrat getting elected in 2012.
Her best chance, a good next step may be Supreme Court nomination, during Obama’s second term.
Hillary? No, too conservative for Canada. Unless she moves much further to the left, forget it.
Joseph, do you think maybe db was referring to our actual past Prime Minister, no to Hilary Clinton?
Quoting YukonJack
Age did not hinder any well seasoned female. They became PM of Isreal. PM of England. Chancellor of Germany. Mayor of Mississauga.
Quoting darkbeaver
Prime Minister of Canada.
Maybe so, karrie. But Yukon is referring to seasoned females, I don’t think Kim Campbell was all that seasoned (the fact that she was willing to run for the post of PC leader, was willing to stand in as a sacrificial lamb for Mulroney shows that she didn’t really have much political savvy).
So I assumed that what darkbeaver was saying was that Hillary could be a Prime Minister of Canada. But I could be wrong.
Age did not hinder any well seasoned female. They became PM of Isreal. PM of England. Chancellor of Germany. Mayor of Mississauga.
Quoting darkbeaver
Prime Minister of Canada.
Maybe so, karrie. But Yukon is referring to seasoned females, I don’t think Kim Campbell was all that seasoned (the fact that she was willing to run for the post of PC leader, was willing to stand in as a sacrificial lamb for Mulroney shows that she didn’t really have much political savvy).
So I assumed that what darkbeaver was saying was that Hillary could be a Prime Minister of Canada. But I could be wrong.