Andrew I wholeheartedly agree that both father and mother have rights. In my opinion if both parents sit down and they decide together that they don't want the child, so be it. If the mother decides she wants the child and he doesn’t, again, so be it. The mother can sign papers stating the father has no responsibilities to the child. Yes contraceptives fail but both parties have thier rights upheld especially in a court of law if it comes to that. I'm not talking about to irresponsible people who didn't use contraceptives. I'm talking about two responcible people that came into a situation by way of a malfunction of a contraceptive.
Men's Rights?
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wait tracey..
What part of Sex Ed was that he missed? The parts where condoms are fail about 1 times in 100 (or the average sex occured during a 1 year period between a couple) or did you mean something else?
The only way to ensure no pregnancy is really to not have sex, and unless this is rape, that is the womans choice equally.
What part of Sex Ed was that he missed? The parts where condoms are fail about 1 times in 100 (or the average sex occured during a 1 year period between a couple) or did you mean something else?
The only way to ensure no pregnancy is really to not have sex, and unless this is rape, that is the womans choice equally.
Re: RE: Men's Rights?
It may be a little crazy. I do feel sorry for a child when a man raised him as his own for years only to challenge paternity when things sour with the mother.
Having a father is a basic human right. It's the child's right to receive support from both its biological parents other than in the case of adoption. Why should a man who knowingly risked creating a child have his rights supercede those of the only person who truly had no choice in the matter?Andrew said:
What more regulated way would you suggest?Andrew said:
Andrew said:
It may be a little crazy. I do feel sorry for a child when a man raised him as his own for years only to challenge paternity when things sour with the mother.
Re: RE: Men's Rights?
Yes, that the only way to be 100% sure to avoid pregnancy is to avoid vaginal intercoarse unless you've been surgically sterilized. It isn't more complicated than that.
Yes it is. I've never said it wasn't. That doesn't change the fact that the woman is biologically in control of childbearing after conception or that any child born has the right to support from both parents. The time for men to exercise their CHOICE in childbearing is when they choose to have sex. Women get make that choice AND they get to decide on abortion or not. That may seem unfair to men, but you have to admit it also carries a lot of downsides. I've worked high risk L&D and NICU long enough to see some REALLY bad outcomes and it's never the father that has to deal with the physical aspects of childbirth.
Zzarchov said:
Yes, that the only way to be 100% sure to avoid pregnancy is to avoid vaginal intercoarse unless you've been surgically sterilized. It isn't more complicated than that.
Zzarchov said:
Yes it is. I've never said it wasn't. That doesn't change the fact that the woman is biologically in control of childbearing after conception or that any child born has the right to support from both parents. The time for men to exercise their CHOICE in childbearing is when they choose to have sex. Women get make that choice AND they get to decide on abortion or not. That may seem unfair to men, but you have to admit it also carries a lot of downsides. I've worked high risk L&D and NICU long enough to see some REALLY bad outcomes and it's never the father that has to deal with the physical aspects of childbirth.
Tracy I don't disagree with you that the woman has all the biological choices. What I am saying is that if two people created a life using responsible contraceptives then morally and legally the man has a choice also. If she chooses the child and he doesn't then papers can be drawn to relieve him of his responsibilities. She has the right to raise the child on her own.
feronia said:
The problem I have with that is what about the child (remember, the child is the only person in this equation who had no choices)? The child has a right to support from both biological parents unless they both agree to place that child for adoption. A man doesn't have the right to abandon a child he created any more than a woman has the right to prevent the father from having a relationship with their child because once a child is born his or her rights become paramount.
His begrudging father doesn't need to hang around if he chooses not to. The very least he has to do is help with the material needs of his child. That's the child's legal right.
feronia said:
I think it will be a sad day if our country decides that children have no rights to support. They have no choice in who creates them and are the only blameless parties in the goose-gander drama. Anyone unwilling to support his flesh and blood is a sorry excuse for a man IMO.
And it's also a sorry excuse for a government and a society, one that cannot enforce such support. The Ontario government's 'enforcer' The Family Responsibility Office recently admitted it had record arrears.
Brutal, brutal incompetence.
Brutal, brutal incompetence.
feronia said:
I didn't edit my whole post. It was tamarin's above mine that was about taxpayers. It's still there 8) I assume that's what you were saying "Of course" to right?
My foot is always getting stuck in my mouth too