McCain: "I never considered myself a maverick."
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A politician does whatever is necessary to get elected. In 2008 people were looking for outsiders, so McCain tried to sell himself as an outsider. He was not successful in that, he was a phony outsider, people went with the real outsider, Obama.
Now it is necessary for every Republican to swear undying loyalty to its base, the Tea Party. Being a maverick is out. So of course McCain is claiming to be the ultimate party insider once again. However, McCain faces a problem here. To appease the teabaggers he may move too far to the right, and that may harm his chances in the general election.
Republican candidates will have to walk a tight rope this election. They must swear allegiance to the Tea Party if they want to win the primary. At the same time, they must not appear to be in the pocket of right wing extremists, otherwise they damage their chances in the general election.
Now it is necessary for every Republican to swear undying loyalty to its base, the Tea Party. Being a maverick is out. So of course McCain is claiming to be the ultimate party insider once again. However, McCain faces a problem here. To appease the teabaggers he may move too far to the right, and that may harm his chances in the general election.
Republican candidates will have to walk a tight rope this election. They must swear allegiance to the Tea Party if they want to win the primary. At the same time, they must not appear to be in the pocket of right wing extremists, otherwise they damage their chances in the general election.
Maverick? Are you suggesting that a man who supported big business and the status quo on almost every issue is not a maverick? Please - McCain has always shown himself to be a supporter of the US establishment. A man who owns seven houses and married into money can hardly be considered much of a radical.
Oh, but there was that one single time where he disagreed with Bush, that during the election, they revolved around like flies on crap, trying to somehow distance himself from Bush, even though everything McCain said was pretty much everything Bush has been saying all along. :roll:
Why was he a Maverick again?
Oh wait.... it was because he was the first republican to choose a female to run with him in the election..... one of the stupidest ones I've ever heard at that who was more of a lunatic then Bush and actually made Bush seem like a friggin genius.
Everything else was just the same crap with a different expiry date.
He never thought he was a Maverick?
Then why did he keep calling himself that during the election like it was true?
Because he's a two-faced, lying pile of crap who would never speak the truth, just speak what he thinks everyone wants to hear.... which is pretty much the norm as every other politician, thus not a Maverick..... and if he lied before, how do we know he's speaking the truth now?
It's also kind of hard to claim that you never considered yourself a maverick when you co-authored a book with the following subtitle.
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'I've never considered myself a maverick'
Don't worry, John, many voters never considered you, either.
Don't worry, John, many voters never considered you, either.
Baloney.
The man has more balls, and more principle than the rest of Congress put together.
Take a looonnnngggg look at his history...neither you, nor I, have earned the right to spit on this guy. A man of principle, who PROVED it through 5 years of torture.
He bucked Bush on torture in Congress. In fact, he hates Georgie's guts, having publicly told him too "Get your F#$@(ng hands off me"
He co-operated with the Democrats and co-sponsored a bill to tighten up the financial rules that CLINTON slashed.......if passed, that would have softened the crash.....
He basically single-handedly pushed through the surge in Iraq.....which worked.
And Bar Sinister, a rebel and a Maverick are two different things.
I am still convinced the Americans elected the wrong guy........although I have not yet passed too harsh a judgement on Obama....
McCain was always able to work on both sides of the house.......
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Sen. McCain is a traditionally militaristic, war-supporting US politician, and the US really doesn't need one of those for awhile. Obama isn't the most dovish, but he was the lesser of the two evils at the time.
America has had three Mavericks. McCain is most certainly not one of them, even if you include shooting your best buddy in the face.
The first Maverick was George Washington. He did a good job and nobody killed him for it. Although the English tried.
Abraham Lincoln was the next. He got the slaves freed but he cost the wrong people money so they killed him.
John F. Kennedy was the last. He tried to free the American people from The Fed's control over wealth by issuing bonds based on a silver standard. They killed him for that and look where the US economy is now.
I guess we get the Mavericks we deserve.
The first Maverick was George Washington. He did a good job and nobody killed him for it. Although the English tried.
Abraham Lincoln was the next. He got the slaves freed but he cost the wrong people money so they killed him.
John F. Kennedy was the last. He tried to free the American people from The Fed's control over wealth by issuing bonds based on a silver standard. They killed him for that and look where the US economy is now.
I guess we get the Mavericks we deserve.
When it comes to a guy who had the knee jerk reaction to haul in Palin to try and win over the female voters after Obama defeated Clinton to run for president, didn't bother (or seemed to not bother) to look into her background more and ended up having this whack job pretty well ruin any chance he had.... along with just about every single one of his positions he ran his campaign on followed right in line with Bush and the same old same old approach to running things.... I beg to differ.
Let's not forget that he's the one who said to Bomb Iran based on assumptions and no evidence that they were doing anything illegal, thus suggesting to create yet another Afghanistan or Iraq situation.
Neither his long history in the government, nor his time he spent as a POW, are excuses to avoid criticizing his positions, claims and ability to be the leader of any country. Those things are not enough justification to just hand him the job without question.
I don't despise the guy and I know he's done some good things here and there in his life, but when it comes to what he was gunning for, and the claims of being a Maverick, I have disputes, especially when most of his goals and claims during the election all seemed to follow the already existing status quo. Sure he held some differing positions on some things in government compared to Bush, but many more things were quite similar, and currently, when it comes towards the health care debate and other things that have occurred since Obama came into power.... much of what I have seen in the news and elsewhere coming from him, seems just like more of the same as what every other Republican is gunning for.
Thus what I said about him not being a Maverick, him admitting he never thought he was a Maverick, and confirming that he pretty well lied to everybody about what he believed in or not and couldn't just be honest and straight forward (which is pretty much the topic in question) my position still stands.
I mean, sure he's probably an all around great guy, but he's continually flip flopping, both during the election and in this topic of claiming to be a Maverick, and then admitting he never believed he was in the first place.
Apparently it didn't sell enough.
And I don't understand how or why so many thought she was attractive/hot.
I guess compared to other politicians out there, she's above average, but government was never known for its attractive members in the first place.... maybe she'd be on par with the local librarian in your home town, but certainly nothing to write home about.
It's like living on a deserted island for 20 years then coming back to civilization and someone hands you a box of Mac & Cheese..... compared to what you were eating for the last 20 years, that box of Mac & Cheese would seem like some gourmet meal rich people eat. :-?
And sorry, but I'd have to pass on eating her box of mac & cheese.... blech.
When you get to this side of 50, jiggle factor starts to be anyone without bunion pads and a sling-choker bra. He'd have looked like a dirty old man with a Playboy Bunny running mate.
The worse part of it all is that if something happened to him, say he farted sideways which created an air bubble in a vein which lead to some stroke and he died..... this Playboy Bunny, with all of her witty points of view and knowledge, would be running the country, probably be afraid that some would think she's a weak leader and try to prove everybody wrong by taking a knee jerk reaction to start a war with some country so she can look like she's tough.
Meanwhile slapping a ban on abortions, same sex marriages, handing out firearms like underwear for the needy, cutting any and all sexual education in schools so that all the youth in the US can contract even more STD's, end up pregnant like her own children and be forced into marriages like what happened during the election to save her political ass.
Not to mention she'd continue on with the war with Iran that McCain would have already started months into coming into power.
And this whole health care debate wouldn't have existed in the first place, so that all of these gun totting, pregnant, STD infested, shotgun-wedded, warmongering teenagers are left without any medical care and sent off to fight in Iran, spit out a baby, give it a uniform and gun and keep up the good fight, before she launches the nukes on Iran, wiping out both problems of Iran and these infested teenagers.
Am I exaggerating?
I guess we'll never know ;-)
Oh ... I'm sure there would be a crew willing to stuff a hand up her backside to make her lips say what they want her to....
I don't see much of a maverick in McCain. I always thought the monicker was a joke during the 2008 campaign and now that he has seen his goal of becoming president dashed forever, all that seems to be left of him is a poor sad little man desperately attempting to cling to his limited area of influence. His recent outburst in which he vowed to do his best to obstruct everything the Obama presidency attempts is quite revealing of how his mind works and his recent appearance with Palin in which she, not him, was the star attraction shows just how far he has fallen. Had he been elected president it would have been business as usual and an almost certain disaster for the US.
