Mayor John Tory calls for updated bylaw to regulate Uber, taxis

DaSleeper

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If the same car is always used for the car pool, don't try and make me believe that no money changes hands.....
I have no idea how cabbies in TO are paid - but in the town I hacked in, it was a 60/40 split where 60 pays the gas. Many nights I sat out there for $100 in fares, had to pretend annoying drunks were funny, then had to fill the car
When I drove cab, part time when my family was growing up....for extra cash.....
The taxi car owner got 65% and paid for the gas and I got 35%.....
There was also an unwritten rule......if I got a flat ratefare to timmins....a hundred miles away or hearst . the fare was split the regular way....but if I was lucky enough to get a fare on the return trip, that wasn't scheduled....it was all mine!
 

mentalfloss

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The vehicle is being used for commercial purposes.

Because this is more widespread than car pooling you will begin to see licensing requirements in place and people who use the service will need to update their insurance policy.
 

bill barilko

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Why haven't taxi companies been crying out against designated drivers and Project Red Nose? Uber is risky business - especially if there's an accident with injury in a vehicle for hire without insurance coverage for said purpose.
Yup no matter what insurance Uber says it has in California it's NFG in any Canadian province.
There is a 3rd party in the middle doing the arranging.
And taking a cut.
The vehicle is being used for commercial purposes.Because this is more widespread than car pooling you will begin to see licensing requirements in place and people who use the service will need to update their insurance policy.
Easy 10 grand a year here and that's 100% on the Uber driver/slave.
That increased cost for liability insurance will just about do Uber in. Cabs (and sometimes even volunteer drivers) make great targets for insurance scams
That's why Uber says it's not in the transportation business-which is 100% of a lie.
 

mentalfloss

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There's actually nothing wrong with Uber to be honest. It's a good service and the original intention for that service is well founded.

This is just a case where regulation has to catch up with technology.
 

bill barilko

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There's actually nothing wrong with Uber to be honest. It's a good service and the original intention for that service is well founded.
To Be Honest it's a typical corporate ripoff-tripling prices are demand increases and dodging any obligations of any kind to employees who after signing find out they work for an empty shell corporation that has no assets nor obligations of any kind.

You post some idiotic Bee Ess here but that takes the cake.

This is just a case where regulation has to catch up with technology.
It's corporate bloodsucking is what it is.
 

taxslave

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I think its City of Toronto. Printed on City of Toronto letterhead. Also 100% the same in all taxi companies. If set by a company you would expect some variation.

It is a regulated industry, just like tucking used to be. The mandatory fee is a minimum, you are free to charge more, just not less. Antiquated concept like selling licenses to ensure existing companies make good money by controlling the number of cabs and limit new entrants. Much like marketing boards it skews the playing field in favor of existing license holders and provides a fair number of government jobs administering the system.

There is a 3rd party in the middle doing the arranging.

There is in car pooling too. Got a government number to call. In Vancouver anyway.
 

mentalfloss

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Uber Canada says it will pay its drivers' tickets

Ride-share company says drivers shouldn't pay price for 'outdated regulations'

Uber has assured its drivers that it will pay for any bylaw tickets they receive.

In an email sent to its drivers Thursday, the ride-share company wrote, "Until new regulations are written, there may be a few cases of ticketing for non-criminal bylaw infractions (with no demerit points or record).

"If you receive a bylaw ticket for driving on the Uber platform, please email us and we will take care of it."

Earlier this month, Mayor John Tory said council will work to change its bylaws governing the taxi industry to enable cab companies to be more competitive with Uber and services like it. City staff is expected to provide council with new regulatory options in September.

Uber spokeswoman Susie Heath told CBC News that "in instances of enforcement, we will always stand behind the hardworking community of driver partners in Toronto and support them fully.

"We don't believe that the burden of enforcement of outdated regulations should fall on individual drivers," Heath said.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/toronto/uber-canada-says-it-will-pay-its-drivers-tickets-1.3147654
 

JamesBondo

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You can't unring a bell. now that customers are thinking about taxi regulations, the system will need to redefine itself.
 

mentalfloss

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There are multiple solutions to this problem.

First is to make sure Uber 'taxi drivers' go through the same licensing that regular taxi drivers must go through so that they are privy to the same scrutiny when it comes to safety.

The second thing is to extend regulatory minimums to them so that the playing field is even.

The last thing is that the service needs to somehow notify the insurance company of the Uber driver of the vehicle so that they are aware that it is to be used for commercial purposes.
 

DaSleeper

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Next.....town council will legislate what stores should charge for different products to ......well....level out the playing field........
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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There are multiple solutions to this problem.

First is to make sure Uber 'taxi drivers' go through the same licensing that regular taxi drivers must go through so that they are privy to the same scrutiny when it comes to safety.

The second thing is to extend regulatory minimums to them so that the playing field is even.

The last thing is that the service needs to somehow notify the insurance company of the Uber driver of the vehicle so that they are aware that it is to be used for commercial purposes.

Or remove the regulatory minimums thus leveling the playing field.
 

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CDNBear

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There are multiple solutions to this problem.

First is to make sure Uber 'taxi drivers' go through the same licensing that regular taxi drivers must go through so that they are privy to the same scrutiny when it comes to safety.
I love it when you talk about things you don't know much about.

Uber has already demonstrated that their security checks, are better than Tdots Taxi industry.

The second thing is to extend regulatory minimums to them so that the playing field is even.
I've always found the built in mediocrity of your ideology to be funny.

The last thing is that the service needs to somehow notify the insurance company of the Uber driver of the vehicle so that they are aware that it is to be used for commercial purposes.
The only thing you got right.

Without having to read through a dissertation of novel proportions I would like to know if Mr. Tory's plan will involve more red tape or less. :)
More, along with a committee. He loves committee's. That way he can absolve himself if anything should go awry.