Mayans never thought the world would end in 2012, new research shows.

petros

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Bummer. I was looking forward to the end.


NEW YORK—Archeologists working in Guatemala have found a small room amid Mayan ruins where royal scribes apparently used walls like a blackboard to keep track of astronomical records and the society’s intricate calendar some 1,200 years ago.

Astronomical records were key to the Mayan calendar, which has received attention recently because of doomsday warnings that it predicts the end of the world this December. Experts say the calendar makes no such prediction. The new finding provides a bit of backup: the calculations include a time span longer than 6,000 years, meaning it could extend well beyond 2012.

“Why would they go into those numbers if the world is going to come to an end this year?” said Anthony Aveni of Colgate University in Hamilton, N.Y., an expert on Mayan astronomy. “You could say a number that big at least suggests that time marches on.”

The walls reveal the oldest known astronomical tables from the Maya. Until now, the earliest known examples dated from about 600 years ago, though scientists knew the Maya must have been keeping records much earlier.

Aveni, along with William Saturno of Boston University and others, report the discovery in Friday’s issue of the journal Science.

The room is part of a large complex of Mayan ruins in the rainforest at Xultun in northeastern Guatemala. The walls also contain portraits of a seated king and some other figures, but it’s clear those have no connection to the astronomical writings, the scientists said.

One wall contains a calendar based on phases of the moon, covering about 13 years. The researchers said they think it might have been used to keep track of which deity was overseeing the moon at particular times.

Aveni said it would allow scribes to predict the appearance of a full moon years in advance, for example. Such record-keeping was key to Mayan astrology and rituals and could have been used to advise the king on when to go to war or how good the year’s crops would be, he said.

“What you have here is astronomy driven by religion,” he said.

On an adjacent wall are numbers indicating four time spans from roughly 935 to 6,700 years. It’s not clear what they represent, but maybe the scribes were doing calculations that combined observations from important astronomical events like the movements of Mars, Venus and the moon, the researchers said.

Why bother to do that? Maybe the scribes were “geeks . . . who just got carried away with doing these kinds of computations and calculations, and probably did them far beyond the needs of ordinary society,” Aveni suggested.

Experts unconnected with the discovery said it was a significant advance.

“It’s really a wonderful surprise,” said Simon Martin, co-curator of an exhibit about the Mayan calendar at the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology.

While the results of the scribes’ work were known from carvings on monuments, “we’ve never really been able to identify a working space, or how they actually went about things,” Martin said.

The new work gives insight into that, he said, and the fact the room had a stone roof rather than thatching supports previous indications that the scribes enjoyed a high social standing.
 

damngrumpy

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All these predictions are so much nonsense. The other side of the coin for believers
in over rides Gods law. There was a statement in the Bible attributed to Christ himself.
He said of his return, no one knows the time or the hour, He said he would come like
a thief in the night.
Basically put, its none of your business when I am coming back. When religious leaders
use the second coming predictions as a hold on people, and or when they are using
predictions to raise money, this must be a total affront to their core belief system.
The faithful never seem to catch on.
 

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I'm wondering if these experts even bother to ask the Mayans what this stuff means. From what I have seen, the Mayan culture was never lost, they just abandoned their cities because the ruling class was so corrupt.
 

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Claims that the Mayan calender predicts the end of the world are BS.

The Mayan Calender is linear not cyclical like our calender. All events are referenced to the number of days since a mythological starting point in the past. Predictions of future celestial events were based on observations of past celestial events. Mayan astronomers watched the sun, moon, observable planets and other astronomical phenomena. They recorded the day and time of events like summer and winter solstices, phases of the moon... based on these observations over a long period of time, they were able to accurately predict future occurrences of the same celestial events. The Astronomers would constantly record celestial events as they occurred and refine their predictions about when these same events would occur again in the future. Since new predictions about the future were made continuously, the calender would not end as long as they kept taking observations and making predictions.

When the Mayans were conquered by the Spanish, their civilization collapsed and Mayan astronomers stopped taking observations and as a result stopped updating their calender with new predictions. That's why the calender ends in 2012. If the Spanish conquered the Mayans a year later, the calender would have had another year's worth of predictions about the future. The Mayan astronomers knew the further into the future they made a prediction, the less accurate it would be. So they never bothered to name future epochs beyond a certain point of accuracy. If the Mayans astronomers were allowed to continue their observations, they would have continued to refine and add more predictions including more future epochs. Their last predicted and named epoch ends on this year's winter solstice.

When the Mayan astronomers stopped working on their calender due to Spanish conquest, they had refined their calender to the point where they had calculated the year to be 365.242036 days, which is more accurate than our Gregorian calender (365.2425 days).
 
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All this time, and just months before the end of the world, we realize it isn't the end of the world.

Who woulda thunk it, huh?
 

earth_as_one

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That's more or less the idea. Their calender was sort of like the Farmer's Almanac. Not printing a new Farmer's Almanac would not be a prediction of the end of the world.
 

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All this time, and just months before the end of the world, we realize it isn't the end of the world.

Who woulda thunk it, huh?

Yup. It was good for a few years of documentaries and Doomsday shows but now that the date is upon us... time to back track a bit.