Man dies after Taser shock by police at Vancouver airport

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Four Mounties going to court to sanitize the findings of the inquiry into the Taser-related death of Robert Dziekanski are darkening the public's already dim view of the once-respected national police force.
Their B.C. Supreme Court petition mocks the intent of months of work by commissioner Tom Braidwood and the desire of Canadians for an impartial report about what happened at Vancouver airport on Oct. 14, 2007.
What triggered Monday's legal action was a letter from the inquiry's counsel informing the RCMP officers that Braidwood was mulling serious criticism of them for Tasering five times and physically restraining the 40-year-old Polish immigrant.
Dziekanski died handcuffed on the floor of the airport without regaining consciousness.
"You initially deployed the conducted energy weapon against Mr. Dziekanski ... when such deployment was not justified given the totality of the circumstances you were facing at the time," says the letter to the officers.
It continues that the Horsemen could not have "honestly perceived" Dziekanski was a threat, misrepresented what happened in notes and testimony "for the purposes of justifying" their actions, and "placed a self-serving and misleading interpretation" on events to homicide investigators.
That sent the four scurrying for cover.
Their lawyers want the B.C. Supreme Court to rule that Braidwood lacks the constitutional authority to criticize the federal cops because his mandate comes from the provincial government.
"We take the position that a provincial inquiry does not have the jurisdiction to make misconduct findings against the RCMP," said lawyer David Butcher, who represents one of the Mounties.
This unseemly development underscores the drawback of B.C.'s contracting-out of municipal and provincial police work to the Mounties -- the force reports to Ottawa, not Victoria, and so there is no local political accountability.
Walter Kosteckyj, lawyer for Dziekanski's mother Zofia Cisowski, was fuming after being told about the latest tactic by the RCMP members to avoid responsibility.
"These officers were under contract to the province of British Columbia, they were being paid by the people of the province of British Columbia," he complained.
"They don't want to be held responsible and clearly they feel that the pressure is on, so these are all last-ditch efforts."
Regardless of the latest legal ploy by the officers, Braidwood is not about to compose a report assigning criminal or civil blame. After listening to several months of evidence, though, he is going to express an opinion and offer his conclusions and recommendations.
Any findings of misconduct will add immeasurable pressure on Victoria to reconsider last December's decision to not pursue criminal charges against the four officers, make the civil case against them a slam-dunk and ensure this public relations disaster escalates into an even bigger debacle for the national force.
No wonder the Mounties are trying to dilute Braidwood's report before he gets a chance to write it.
In doing so, however, they have revealed themselves for what we had grown to suspect after their testimony: They are cowards who even today are afraid to face the music.
They also have revealed their better-late-than-never apologies issued during the inquiry to be more insincere than even cynics suggested.
How can they possibly defend this attempt to derail a disinterested inquiry into a tragedy that has captured global attention?
If these officers had such serious constitutional qualms about Braidwood's jurisdiction and questions about his authority, they should have raised them before they took the stand and shocked the world with their incredible testimony.
This latest manoeuvre to forestall the inevitable is tawdry.
Shame on all of them.
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They are cowards who even today are afraid to face the music.
They also have revealed their better-late-than-never apologies issued during the inquiry to be more insincere than even cynics suggested
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Just typical "Royal" Canadian cowards .
 

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VANCOUVER - The B.C. Supreme Court has upheld the right of a public inquiry to find four Mounties were guilty of misconduct in the Taser-related death of Robert Dziekanski.
Justice Arne Silverman said Monday the provincially ordered inquiry could hold the officers accountable even though they worked for a federal agency.
The officers had asked the court to prohibit commissioner Thomas Braidwood from making findings they said were tantamount to criminal charges of assault, obstruction of justice and perjury.
But Silverman said the Public Inquiry Act envisioned a commissioner drawing such conclusions and what mattered was procedural fairness.
He said the commission had acted not only reasonably but legally correct in dealing with the officers.
The justice rejected the officers' claim that Braidwood was treading on federal jurisdiction for the criminal law and the RCMP.
"In my view the petitioners (the Mounties) are wrong," he concluded.
Justice Silverman said the conduct of the four Mounties was vital to the inquiry's mandate to investigate the circumstances surrounding Dziekanski's death.
Braidwood plans to hear final arguments Friday and to begin writing his report by month's end on the tragedy involving the 40-year-old Polish immigrant.
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Dismissal of the constitutional challenge by lawyers for the RCMP officers is encouraging sign that members of the RCMP are accountable for their behavior as well as anyone else. Submission of the challenge has served to focus even more negative attention on the RCMP and the ends to which it will go to avoid responsibility. One of the assertions for the challenge was based on the fact that the inquiry is a provincial body and that it could not render findings against federal police officers. Reminds me of a senior high school student telling a junior student that he can't tell him that what he did was wrong because he isn't a senior high student. Equally perplexing is the comment by Ravi Hira, lawyer for the four Mounties 'The focus of the inquiry very quickly became the conduct of these four officers, and that's it.' hoc, ergo propter hoc (with this, therefore because of this). It was the behavior and ensuing actions by the four RCMP officers that directly resulted in Mr. Dziekanski’s death. Sadly however little change is likely to occur. The federal government has not shown any interest in dealing with problems within the RCMP, or even that it is capable of dealing with the RCMP; at this time the RCMP appears to answer only to itself. Real change within the RCMP will likely only occur when and/or if a high level government or influential member of society is seriously injured or handled as brutally as Mr. Dziekanski. Unfortunately justice does not always equal truth or ethical decisions, but conforms to the rules of procedure.


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June 15, 2009 - 9:37 PM

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Dismissal of the constitutional challenge by lawyers for the RCMP officers is an encouraging sign that members of the RCMP are also accountable for their behavior. Submission of the challenge has served to focus even more negative attention on the RCMP and the ends to which it will go to avoid responsibility. One of the assertions for the challenge was based on the inquiry being a provincial body and that it could not render findings against federal police officers. Reminds me of a senior high school student telling a junior student that he can't tell him that what he did was wrong because he isn't a senior high student. Equally perplexing is the comment by Ravi Hira, lawyer for the four Mounties 'The focus of the inquiry very quickly became the conduct of these four officers, and that's it.' hoc, ergo propter hoc (with this, therefore because of this). It was the behavior and ensuing actions by the four RCMP officers that directly resulted in Mr. Dziekanski’s death. Sadly however little change is likely to occur. The federal government has not shown any interest in dealing with problems within the RCMP, or even that it is capable of dealing with the RCMP; at this time the RCMP appears to answer only to itself. Real change within the RCMP will likely only occur when and/or if a high level government or influential member of society is seriously injured or handled as brutally as Mr. Dziekanski. Unfortunately justice does not always equal truth or ethical decisions, but conforms to the rules of procedure.



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June 15, 2009 - 9:35 PM

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To all those people who want it to go away and especially Tammy, just think how you would feel if it was you or a close familly member that was a victim.



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June 15, 2009 - 9:12 PM

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To "Tammy": Obviously you have no understanding of what actually occurred on the day Mr. Dziekanski arrived at YVR and/or you are a cold-blooded, ignorant, anti-social individual. This case is very important for the society we live in and we should be glad that the entire situation is scrutinized, so that something like that will hopefully never happen again. The RCMP's conduct has been absolutely awful and has been totally unacceptable. It's high time that the various individuals and agencies involved in the matter are held accountable. Justice must be done. I know lots of other situations were taxpayers' dollars were wasted. This is certainly not one of them.



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June 15, 2009 - 9:06 PM

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I know as any other person does RUSSIAN or not that when the police or Airport security says to do something you do it... Look on the internet and see what will happen to you if you dont do what the Airport Security or the Russian Police will do if you dont cooperate... THESE deicated police officers did nothing wrong I have watched the video a few times to see if they did and if they are charged in any way we should all be ashamed of our justice system that will have let down the brave Officers who are doing the job they were hired for... shame shame to anyone who charges them just to hide behind something they should be standing up for... I would challenge anyone on this subject to prove me wrong...



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June 15, 2009 - 8:04 PM

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This whole thing is just a ridiculous and a real waste of time. We have wasted too much time and money on a foreign visitor to Canada. Perhaps if he had been more equiped to enter a country where he could not speak the language, there would not have been such a mess. Perhaps if his mother had used the public address system to page her son this event would not have occured. She states he was coming here to work and care for his mother, not likely since long time Canadian employees are jobless. This woman has wasted enough of the traxpayers dollars in her "search" for justice...I see a woman with her purse open looking for a cash settlement to resolve her son's death. If the mounties are guilty charge them but stop all this foolishness. We have to start to lend some support to our overworked federal police force and help them to learn to deal with this difficult situations such as these. We need to keep up their morale so that they can do their jobs. I would like to state I am not, nor am I related to any police, but I respect the job they do and I am very happy they are here to protect us when we need arises. Our society has lost all respect for authority figures.....teaches to police!



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June 15, 2009 - 7:55 PM

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The rcmp are eager to paint all other law breakers with the three or more indavidualls comitting a crime together are to be considered a gang. Well how is this any different. The police and news media are on this big gang tangent,I'd say this falls well into gang mantallity and behavour. Or are we to be under the delusion of the police propaganda that police do no wrong,your sappose to believe them and not your own eyes. People are loseing respect or have all ready lost all respact for the police,they act as tho they can break the laws and get away with it ,when all other Canadians have to toe the line. I say get a rope,there are wolves paradeing as sheep,and the sheep had better wake up,Canadians had better take back their rights before they lose them completely. It's sad how the police are systematicly spinning out of control,,they know they can do as they please and have no fear of any accountability,so they become bigger and bigger bullies,it's begining to look like legalized police gangs preying on it's own civilian population,and getting away with it.



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June 15, 2009 - 7:48 PM

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I support the court's decision to allow this case to theoretically progress to criminal findings. It does seem largely a matter of procedural fairness; the legal argument fielded by the four mounties as to why they should not be facing charges didn't have a strong basis. Let the guardians of the law and justice abide by those two great principles in facing the consequences of their actions.



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June 15, 2009 - 7:31 PM

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I am glad with the Supreme Court's persistence... RCMP is "defending" like they are 3rd world country's law enforcements.



Pat

June 15, 2009 - 7:13 PM

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Makes you wonder about the guy who was shot in the back of his head, in a jail cell by a mounty who claimed he was being attacked. I believe the mounties found their friends used reasonable force in that case too.



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June 15, 2009 - 6:49 PM

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Mounties investigating themselves: Gosh, we're the last people we would have suspected of this type of behaviour!



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VANCOUVER - The B.C. Supreme Court has upheld the right of a public inquiry to find four Mounties were guilty of misconduct in the Taser-related death of Robert Dziekanski.
Justice Arne Silverman said Monday the provincially ordered inquiry could hold the officers accountable even though they worked for a federal agency.
The officers had asked the court to prohibit commissioner Thomas Braidwood from making findings they said were tantamount to criminal charges of assault, obstruction of justice and perjury.
But Silverman said the Public Inquiry Act envisioned a commissioner drawing such conclusions and what mattered was procedural fairness.
He said the commission had acted not only reasonably but legally correct in dealing with the officers.
The justice rejected the officers' claim that Braidwood was treading on federal jurisdiction for the criminal law and the RCMP.
"In my view the petitioners (the Mounties) are wrong," he concluded.
Justice Silverman said the conduct of the four Mounties was vital to the inquiry's mandate to investigate the circumstances surrounding Dziekanski's death.
Braidwood plans to hear final arguments Friday and to begin writing his report by month's end on the tragedy involving the 40-year-old Polish immigrant.
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I wonder how much money this charade is going to end up costing us. Hopefully the same conclusion is reached that was reached by 95% of the population with an I.Q. of 7 or more and these miscreants are put where they belong. Sure makes me lose any faith I had in the R.C.M.P.
 

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I wonder how much money this charade is going to end up costing us. Hopefully the same conclusion is reached that was reached by 95% of the population with an I.Q. of 7 or more and these miscreants are put where they belong. Sure makes me lose any faith I had in the R.C.M.P.

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I think the RCMP should be dismounted and Provincial Police brought in. Why every time the RCMP is in the media's eye its another scandal filled with lies to protect their own. GET RID OF THE RCMP........Pass it on.
 

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A police psychologist who told the Braidwood inquiry yesterday that four RCMP officers "panicked" and used "excessive force" when they Tasered Robert Dziekanski said he blames RCMP management for the "tragedy."
Mike Webster, who has consulted with police in Canada and internationally for over 30 years, said that although he respects the challenge faced by front-line officers, he would "diagnose" the RCMP as an organization that is "sick."
"I have the utmost respect for [RCMP] operational members on the street, who are generally well-meaning, their hearts are in the right place and they want to serve the community," said Webster.
But he said the RCMP senior management are "dinosaurs" that are still in the "dark ages" of police work.
He said the four officers who Tasered Dziekanski within seconds of meeting him at the Vancouver airport on
Oct. 14, 2007, "abandoned their good solid basic training" and instead reached for the Taser.
But Webster said he didn't want to "damn" one officer and "absolve" the others, and didn't like criticizing officers. "They all were combative, antagonistic and oppositional and it went downhill from there, and it ended in tragedy."
Webster said that his consulting work with RCMP "dried up" after he was critical of the Dziekanski matter.
"This was not the best of Canadian police work and I think conservatively, three-quarters of the Canadian public agrees with me.
"Unfortunately, the RCMP is not a healthy organization and is unable to take criticism," said Webster, who said he still works with RCMP managers who have the "courage" to hire him, as well as many municipal police agencies.
Epidemiologist Dr. Gordon Chambers told the inquiry yesterday afternoon that Dziekanski likely died from a fatal heart arrhythmia caused by the "severe stress" of being Tasered and restrained by RCMP.
Chambers said that the fact Dziekanski was Tasered five times in a very short period of time before he was pinned to the floor by the officers makes it "most likely" that the Taser was the primary factor in causing death.
Chambers, a consultant on the causes of disease and death, said that Dziekanski's heart was fatally stressed.
"This man at the point of intervention by the officers is alive, standing, doing just fine, then shortly after two things happen, he's Tasered five times and he's physically restrained. Then he has fatal arrhythmia and he dies," testified Chambers, calling the Tasering and restraint "the two factors" that caused Dziekanski's death.
"In my opinion, the act of Tasering Mr. Dziekanski for 31 seconds continuously over 49 seconds contributed more to his stress response and subsequent demise than the physical restraint."
Dziekanski could not be revived by paramedics, who found him lying lifeless and unattended on the airport floor when they arrived about 12 minutes after he'd been Tasered.
The inquiry, originally slated to end hearing evidence today, will carry over to at least two days next week before hearing closing arguments starting on June 22. sfournier@theprovince.com
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The reporters should have taken the opportunity to ask if the RCMP had anything to do with the recent cancelling of the 'Treaty Between Canada And The Republic Of Poland On Mutual Legal Assistance In Criminal Matters'. It seems that it was cancelled shortly after the Polish Government expressed an interest in laying charges in Poland against the four constables responsible for killing Dyziekanski. You can bet the rent that's a scandal waiting for the light of day. My understanding is that international Treaties are not cancelled willynilly in the backrooms of bureaucracy. How does a government agency get such a Treaty cancelled, and cancelled in short order, after coming under threat of charges, if that is what happened? Pull that thread and you'll get closer to the reasons that we are experiencing problems exercising public control of our police than have all the Inquiries and Commissions to date.

Doesn't Canada have any sense of embarrassment ?
 

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Guilty Guilty Guilty!
No Job
No Pension
No recommendation
and lots of Jail Time!
That's my finding of misconduct.
And the whole RCMP should back up this Point of View, lest the entire force be brought into disrepute.
 

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Oh, hey, I just remembered.

We decided to use the Tazer before we even got to the scene.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that. My bad.

Those boys are in deep doo doo now. It will be interesting to see exactly how they are going to go about lying about their lying. Going to be holiday time compliments of Lizzy.
 

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Screwed blued and tattooed. Obviously, these 4 men on uniform thought that citizens have no rights.


I hope they do time after the dust settles.

Bullies thugs and demented humanity.
 

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justice06 wrote:Posted 2009/06/19
at 7:39 PM ETdalton46 wrote:The officers acted in complete accord with their training. You had an individual who made a fist with his left hand. Placed a stapler in his right had and started approaching the officers.
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As the cops arrive and before they are close enough to make any assessment of the situation, you hear one of them ask "may I taser him" and another cop reply "yes"
Mr.Diezkanski was an innocent victim.He was asked for his passport,he went to his luggage, but then he was told 'no' go to the counter, which he did. He was compliant and there was never a show of force by Mr Dziekanski. If you watch the video you will notice that Robinson is pointing at the counter and Mr Dziekanski is following directions. Take note that Robinson is pointing at the counter and also in the general direction of the stapler so Mr Dziekanski went to the counter and picked up the stapler (I fully believe that he believed that he was following instructions) When he turns around he sees 4 cops in a semi circle around him all cops have thier hands at their "tool" belts,two batons have been withdrawn one of which is extended. Mr Dziekanski is still holding the stapler and his other fist against his body and below chest level.(looks like he is afraid,I would be)at this point Mr Dziekanski says,"Leave me alone.Leave me alone! Did you become stupid,Why?"
It was at that instant he was tasered.The final sentence could also be interpited as,"Are you crazy"
I fail to understand how he contributed to his own death in any way.
 

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BobbieBees wrote:Posted 2009/06/19
at 6:02 PM ETA 'conveniently' forgotten email known about by Rideout?

I fell a real S**t storm brewing on the horizon. And I hope when the 'you know what' hits the fan that it sprays all over senior management and takes a lot of them down with the four mounties.

This force is absolutely disgusting. It needs to be disbanded Immediately. I wonder what Dalton, Durdanesque and Ireland Forever think about this.
 
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