Man dies after Taser shock by police at Vancouver airport

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Fearandloathing wrote:Posted 2009/06/19
at 5:01 PM ETFinal arguments in the Braidwood inquiry have been postponed until September 22 after a revelation Friday that the RCMP failed to bring forward a crucial piece of evidence.

Holding back tears, the lawyer for the Government of Canada Helen Roberts informed the inquiry that an e-mail purporting that the four officers who tasered Robert Dziekanski had planned to do so before they even entered the airport. Roberts said the failure to produce the evidence was an “oversight.”

Justice Braidwood, in a rare show of disgust, told the inquiry he was “appalled”.
The development opens the possibility of witnesses, especially the four officers, will be recalled to give explanations.

The claim is in direct contrast to sworn testimony by each of the officers who claimed there had been so such discussion and that the decision to taser Dziekanski came only as a result of his “threatening” actions at the time, a claim highly disputed.

The email is apparently between a senior manager and Superintendent Wayne Rideout in which members of the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team, IHIT, are quoted as saying the four Mounties decided to taser the man in a brief meeting on their way into the airport.

Rideout, also a major witness at the inquiry made no mention of any such email in testimony.

While closing arguments are delayed, it is expected the inquiry will resume and begin hearing evidence on this single issue.

If true, it almost certainly makes a lie of the sworn testimony of the four officers whose testimony is already in direct opposition to the video of traveler Paul Pritchard who had to sue the RCMP to have it returned after it was illegal seized.

 

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To the many poster here defending the RCMP by saying that they do more right then wrong, that is wrong on your part. You CANNOT defend them by saying that. They are supposed to be held accountable to a higher level then regular civilians, as they tok an oath, training, and it is their jobs. There is no defense for these 4 thugs. Even the rest of the force is at fault of not denouncing their partners. Like i was always told. Saying nothing is like agreeing, or giving concent. Yes there are many good officers out there, but there are many more that are not. How many more scandals like these will it take for yall to open your eyes? Saying nothing makes you just as worst as the one doing it. WAKE UP people. Lets not be a police state like the U.S.A.... lets protect our rights and freedoms, and hold officers accountable for their actions. I know if it was me on trial, the justice system would make me accountable
 

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Randy Lahey wrote:Posted 2009/06/19
at 1:48 PM ETdalton46 ,

Stop saying they followed their training! , they did not and it has been exposed already.

Protecting criminals and making falsehoods is your charge.
 

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Rex Mundi wrote:Posted 2009/06/19
at 1:15 PM ETAnd it just gets even worse....
CBC Newsworld has just reported that it has been disclosed that the four officers planned to deploy the taser on this man even before arrival on the scene.
Closing arguments have been cancelled.
Unbelievable!!!
Arrest them all.
1:15PM ET.
 

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MetaKaizen wrote:Posted 2009/06/19
at 12:40 PM ETRivercity, just an excellent commentary from you at 9:33am this morning. It is worth repasting below:

From Rivercity:

First of all, those of you that are politicizing this event need help....serious help. Harper and his gang have had nothing to do with this, try to be objective. The mentality,culture, training, procedures and policies of the RCMP have been built over decades, so this really has nothing to do with our current government. They may have done nothing to positively influence the RCMP, but this is about rank and file leadership and training of national police force, its failure to properly screen candidates, it failure to properly train candidates, and its failure to recognize the risks involved in deploying tazers.

The officers did indeed over react. They did indeed use un necessary force, and they did indeed lie about the circumstances afterwards. To me, thats the case in a nut shell.

Three things should come out of this; appropriate punishment to the officers for using excessive force and for lying about it, a complete review of tazer use and a new policy plazing tazer use in the category of potentially "deadly force", and a complete review of the training and hiring process of our national police force - coupled with a complete review of the leadership.

We might want to blame Harper and his gang for all our woes, but really, get serious....this is about the RCMP and decades of poor leadership.

If you politicize everything, you sacrifice real change to noise.

Now imagine this was a canadian killed by a foreign police force...how would we react, imagine how the citizens of Poland feel....real justice needs to be served here rather than a bunch of political wind bags trying to get mileage out of a national tragedy and disgrace.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/06/18/bc-braidwood-final-submissions.html#





 

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shermar wrote:Posted 2009/06/19
at 12:36 PM ETMy heart goes out to the mother and entire family of Robert Dziekanski. In my mind (and I'm sure many Canadians feel the same way) I'm sure that these RCMP officers took the life of an innocent man. Have we become a 3rd world country where the price of a human life is worthless? Many of the posts on this blog are 100% correct. It is not just Canadians who are looking to what the justice system will ultimately decide, but many people around the world are looking to see if justice is done.

Why can we visit places around the world, and we are welcomed with open arms even if we can't speak the language. Yet in Canada we welcome them with a taser that has already killed well over 20 people since the RCMP started using it only a short time ago. The latest killing in Brooks Alberta only a month ago.

Punish these men to the fullest extent of the law, and then move up the ladder and severly repremand the head of the RCMP who not only condones their actions, but tries to manipulate their stories to the courts, and still believes that these tazers are safe and refuses to stop his men from using them. ENOUGH ALREADY! CANADIANS ARE FED UP!
 

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davidmillersucks wrote:Posted 2009/06/19
at 12:22 PM ETwhen are these criminals goint to be charged?

and when are the RCMP and crown prosecutors who obstructed justice going to be charged?

we need a lot of people fired and charge criminally over this - they should not be allowed to remain on the public payroll hiding like some cancer...
 

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I think think this charade could eventually spell the demise of the whole R.C.M.P. and lead to a total revamping of our justice system, which is so flawed to begin with. It's a hypocritical system to begin with- "Presumed innocent until proven guilty"- and where do these so called innocent people spend their time awaiting trial in many cases? It's very lopsided in favour of the wealthy, basically the only weathy people in jails are those who have defrauded people of $millions, if not $billions, where the poor bastard who steals a loaf of bread will likely end up there. How many of these high rolling lawyers ever do legal aid?
 

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George Paris

June 19, 2009 - 8:02 PM

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"You mean police officers had discussed using force if a volatile person did not comply?!? Shock of all shocks!" A few things to keep in mind here. The RCMP cowards in question repeatedly lied during the inquiry, claiming they did not plan to use the taser in advance. "Volatile", have you seen the same video as me. The RCMP cowards were faced with a man who was understandably confused, but not volatile, but even if he was, I think four grown cowards can subdue one man. "Comply", comply with what exactly? The cowards gave this man 30 seconds in a language he didn't understand to do something that he didn't comprehend. So the cowards took out their "toy" and did some very lazy policing. The cowards got caught and the cowards should go to jail.



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June 19, 2009 - 7:52 PM

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again my sympathy to sophia for her devastating loss/as for the rcmp the four of them should be under citizens arrest /loss of their jobs and postions and pay as well as in jail for murder and lying to the judge on more then one occasion/ if it was a canadian citizen doing this without the perps of rcmp we would be in jail for at least 10 yrs/ they need to publicly apologize and show remorse then be jailed for murder



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June 19, 2009 - 7:45 PM

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There has been a lot of talk lately about how the image of the RCMP is getting tarnished as a result of all their member wrongdoings and now with this 11th hour disclosure there is no image left to tarnish.



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June 19, 2009 - 7:32 PM

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You have finally been caught. I love it. You think you are above all. Now what law are you going to make up so these guys can justify there actions. I am sure one of your members will make one up before the nights over. The whole force is corrupt.



diane pyrke

June 19, 2009 - 7:18 PM

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my sincere apologies to sofia over her massive loss/the least the rcmp can do to clean up this mess they created is apologize publicly to her on television and actually act like they feel remorse/as well the rcmp involved should lose their jobs and be put in jail for murder just like any other canadian citizen /all of canada should spk up and have a citizens arrest done of all rcmp involved



Rob

June 19, 2009 - 6:59 PM

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SCREW THE RCMP!! Lock the 4 of them up.



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June 19, 2009 - 6:49 PM

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The Cops now days have no intellect with dealing with the public. They are young overzealous and seem down right scared to deal with anything. They are quick to pull their guns or tasers on any kind of situation.Ask any cop who has been on the force for many years, they'll tell you they are nothing but a bunch of punks with badges! I lost respect for alot of the cops in the last few years.The powers that be should have more stringent guidelines in excepting these young applicants for careers in the police force.



Nasty Celt

June 19, 2009 - 6:46 PM

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So it was premeditated murder then. That's first degree and warrants 25 years...with no faint hope clause if the Conservatives and police get their way.



dave

June 19, 2009 - 6:38 PM

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If Dziekanski had a health/mental problem he should not have been allowed in the country ?



whitby3170

June 19, 2009 - 6:36 PM

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Although a bit of a strech, if true, how about premeditated manslaughter.



ED

June 19, 2009 - 6:34 PM

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twenty five years to life for the four of them and then disband the force in its entirety. What a disgrace for the Canadian People to have to put up with !



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June 19, 2009 - 6:29 PM

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So they agreed before hand that if the man did not comply, they would use a Conducted Energy Weapon. Yet they were aware of the language barrier the entire time, obviously a man who cant hear or understand you wont be able to comply with what you are asking him/her to preform. This all sounds pre-meditated, that sickens me.



Hal

June 19, 2009 - 6:27 PM

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Hoist on their own effing petards. Dick Bent and Al Macintyre are as complicit in the coverup as the four Taser-happy cowboys. How could they stand back and allow the four to commit perjury for months on end?



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June 19, 2009 - 6:21 PM

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Bit of a strech but premeditated manslaughter!!
 

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I think think this charade could eventually spell the demise of the whole R.C.M.P. and lead to a total revamping of our justice system, which is so flawed to begin with. It's a hypocritical system to begin with- "Presumed innocent until proven guilty"- and where do these so called innocent people spend their time awaiting trial in many cases? It's very lopsided in favour of the wealthy, basically the only weathy people in jails are those who have defrauded people of $millions, if not $billions, where the poor bastard who steals a loaf of bread will likely end up there. How many of these high rolling lawyers ever do legal aid?

You're kidding, right?
 

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Cannuck
If you are you going to just and paste from another site, why don't you just provide a link to the site
I search under Dziekanski vancouver sun or
Dziekanski vancouver court.
You are a cleaver Canuck , Cannuck .
 

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JB in Calgary 39 2 The part that disturbs me the most in this situation is that you can hear a lady state that "he is speaking Russian or something." Yet the officers still continued into the room to confront him, when none of them could communicate with him.

I am Polish and I know there is a Polish Consulate in Vancouver. The man had been there for ten hours already, there is no reason police couldn't have contacted the University or Consulate, even if they didn't know which language he spoke. Most Universities have a Slavic department which could have probably still communicated with him and a Consulate, even the wrong one, could have informed officers what language he was speaking.

Canadians go to other countries all the time and can't speak a lick of the foreign language and those foreign countries are very patient with us as they try to communicate with us. Where is the mutual respect?

This story disgusts me everytime I think about it. These RCMP officers are a disgrace to what I consider to "be Canadian," and I would like to appoligize to any foreigners that we treat this way, especially when they usually treat us with an enormous amount of respect when we go to their country
 

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JB in Calgary 39 2 The part that disturbs me the most in this situation is that you can hear a lady state that "he is speaking Russian or something." Yet the officers still continued into the room to confront him, when none of them could communicate with him.
So Police should have to negotiate, no matter what language is being spoken, with everyone they have to deal with?

I am Polish and I know there is a Polish Consulate in Vancouver. The man had been there for ten hours already, there is no reason police couldn't have contacted the University or Consulate, even if they didn't know which language he spoke. Most Universities have a Slavic department which could have probably still communicated with him and a Consulate, even the wrong one, could have informed officers what language he was speaking.
I can not argue with that.

Canadians go to other countries all the time and can't speak a lick of the foreign language and those foreign countries are very patient with us as they try to communicate with us. Where is the mutual respect?
Ya, but I wouldn't expect the kid gloves if I threw a hissy fit in their airport...;-)

This story disgusts me everytime I think about it.
I think it's time to let it go China.
 

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JB in Calgary 39 2 The part that disturbs me the most in this situation is that you can hear a lady state that "he is speaking Russian or something." Yet the officers still continued into the room to confront him, when none of them could communicate with him.

I am Polish and I know there is a Polish Consulate in Vancouver. The man had been there for ten hours already, there is no reason police couldn't have contacted the University or Consulate, even if they didn't know which language he spoke. Most Universities have a Slavic department which could have probably still communicated with him and a Consulate, even the wrong one, could have informed officers what language he was speaking.

Canadians go to other countries all the time and can't speak a lick of the foreign language and those foreign countries are very patient with us as they try to communicate with us. Where is the mutual respect?

This story disgusts me everytime I think about it. These RCMP officers are a disgrace to what I consider to "be Canadian," and I would like to appoligize to any foreigners that we treat this way, especially when they usually treat us with an enormous amount of respect when we go to their country

You have it summed up perfectly and your conclusions are all that is required for the proper action to be taken. I don't like to judge people solely on appearances but I have to say that (to me anyway) Monty Robinson comes across as a real Neanderthal.
 

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Thanks for the post CDNBear.
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, so I offer this...

I know you seek justice, I can relate, trust me. But you seek the unattainable. You can beat your head against the wall, or large fury critters like myself all you want. But to what end. You will find no justice here, only affirmation, argument or contempt. The authorities have no intentions of revisiting the issue and no justice will be served.

I truly feel for you and again I say, I can relate. The pursuit of justice is a noble, all be it oft fruitless fight.

Live a long happy life, thank your lucky stars it wasn't you, and remember the lessons learned.
 

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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, so I offer this...

I know you seek justice, I can relate, trust me. But you seek the unattainable. You can beat your head against the wall, or large fury critters like myself all you want. But to what end. You will find no justice here, only affirmation, argument or contempt. The authorities have no intentions of revisiting the issue and no justice will be served.

I truly feel for you and again I say, I can relate. The pursuit of justice is a noble, all be it oft fruitless fight.

Live a long happy life, thank your lucky stars it wasn't you, and remember the lessons learned.

Very good advice there, CDNBear. There is no justice in the world. If you stop and think about all the injustice you will spend the rest of your life doing nothing else. The best we can do is live an exemplary life and hope it rubs off on others. Be the light you want to see in the world. It is really hard to be if you are always looking at the dark side.
 

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Very good advice there, CDNBear. There is no justice in the world. If you stop and think about all the injustice you will spend the rest of your life doing nothing else. The best we can do is live an exemplary life and hope it rubs off on others. Be the light you want to see in the world. It is really hard to be if you are always looking at the dark side.

Good advice Cliff. I've found in my life (and a lot of it I've found tough) that things generally seem to have a way of working out (this advice is more for others than you), it's taken me over 60 years to figure out if you're having a good day enjoy it and if you're having a bad day, things will get better. Justice doesn't always show itself in the way we expect, but I think it generally prevails........eventually. i think sometimes even the most depraved souls live in torment, we just don't see it.