Man dies after Taser shock by police at Vancouver airport

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I wouldn't know, I've never met a "fascist's henchman".

You said you worked with them and had been one. :-?

Definitely paranoid. Smoking too much dope over a long period of time will do that to ya. Quit now, and you might be all right..............

I don't do drugs.

So... I am to believe that you never acted violently in your capacity as a gestapo... yet here I voice an opinion you don't like and you attack me....

You sir, lie.

Not only was your mere appearance an act of violence but you don't even know what violence is. I suppose if you were beating some poor schmucks head in but he had done something you didn't like then that wasn't violent because it was justified. Yeah, you sound like a typical mall cop.
 

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You said you worked with them and had been one. :-?



I don't do drugs.

So... I am to believe that you never acted violently in your capacity as a gestapo... yet here I voice an opinion you don't like and you attack me....

You sir, lie.

Not only was your mere appearance an act of violence but you don't even know what violence is. I suppose if you were beating some poor schmucks head in but he had done something you didn't like then that wasn't violent because it was justified. Yeah, you sound like a typical mall cop.

Well, I do apologize.

I thought there was probably some logical explanation for your attitude and behaviour....I stand corrected.

Although I wouldn't classify my concern for your health.......expressed in a light-hearted attempt at humour.....as much of an attack.

I submit that yes, I do understand violence....and despite the fact that the appearance of armed uniformed gentlemen makes your knees quake and your bladder release into your panties, the mere fact of their presence only appears to be violence to the brain-dead.

As for your attitude towards the police, allow me to quote: "We sleep peacefully in our beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on our behalf" George Orwell, who, BTW, was a policeman in his early life. You have heard of him?

I submit that in a world without rules and enforcement, in the reality of your anarchy, your lifespan would be measured in days, not years.

Rarely do you ever reveal any knowledge whatsoever about the subjects you so arrogantly condescend to address...........you don't have a clue. And when you are challenged on the foundations of your philosophy, you harump, roll your eyes, and refuse debate, as if that in some way verified the natural superiority of your position.

Instead, your attitude simply reveals your inability to formulate and defend complex ideas.

You, Sir, are a pompous ass.

And, just for your information, THAT was an attack.

I guessed you wouldn't realize that without help..........
 

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Colpy, YOU are the pompous ass. "I" have witnessed overly agressive cops on more than one occasion. Using far more force than was nesasary to the situation.

As I have said, witnessed, I have not personally been subject to this behaviour and when I say "witnessed" I mean from start to finish. Not coming in half way through the confrontation without know what led up to it.
 

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Sounds like someone has a chip on their shoulder.
When I meet a cop or a guard I don't assume they are a powermad bully. I assume they are just another human being doing a job most people wouldn't do. They do those jobs for a variety of reasons. Occasionally, one pops up that actually is a powermad bully but they don't usually last too long in my experience.
BTW, calling someone a lying gestapo is just as childish as painting an entire police force as bad. They actually do some good things, too.
 

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I submit that yes, I do understand violence....and despite the fact that the appearance of armed uniformed gentlemen makes your knees quake and your bladder release into your panties, the mere fact of their presence only appears to be violence to the brain-dead.

The entire purpose of a uniform is to impress power onto people. A symbol cannot decide to impress some people and not others. It effect works on everyone. The body armour and hand gun are to further add to this perception. All this is violence. A majority of a small percentage of the population elects a leader who enforces his will by violence. We say it is majority rule but it is actually the will of about 18% or so that rules. 18% is not a majority of Canadians only of voters.

So to get the other 82% or so to comply with the will of the "majority" we have goons in armour.

1/2 of Canadians don't vote because they realize it doesn't make one bit of difference. We don't have a democracy, we have a ruling political class. It isn't as bad as the US but it is pretty bad.

The litmus test are all these unpopular laws that goons have to enforce. If we had a real democracy we wouldn't have unpopular laws. Only kings and fascists can have unpopular laws.

It's just the way it is.

So if you want to pretend its democracy go ahead but that's all your doing, pretending. There are thousands of people like myself watching that know and understand the truth about your little piggies and political elite scum they serve.

Police are in an interesting position. They run into the underclass, the people who are afraid of them, the people who would challenge their authority - provoke their violence. They never get to meet the people like me. Police do not scare me but they are my enemies. They use violence against me and my society. They seek to enforce their will over my own - that is an enemy. That is the enemy of freedom and liberty - that is the piggies.

As for your attitude towards the police, allow me to quote: "We sleep peacefully in our beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on our behalf" George Orwell, who, BTW, was a policeman in his early life. You have heard of him?

The author that predicted our current police state; yes I've heard of him :lol:

I submit that in a world without rules and enforcement, in the reality of your anarchy, your lifespan would be measured in days, not years.

No, you don't understand anarchism. You think it is a society without structure. It has structure and it is meant to weed out little piggies and little fascists. That is why you hate it and your political puppet masters hate it so much. Nothing scares them more than people with real liberty because they know damn well no one would put up with their $hit for two seconds if they thought they didn't have to.

Rarely do you ever reveal any knowledge whatsoever about the subjects you so arrogantly condescend to address...........you don't have a clue. And when you are challenged on the foundations of your philosophy, you harump, roll your eyes, and refuse debate, as if that in some way verified the natural superiority of your position.

And I care if you understand me, why?

I want to hear your point of view because I like different opinions (right or wrong), I will voice mine too but if you believe or understand me is of no consequence to me.

Instead, your attitude simply reveals your inability to formulate and defend complex ideas.

Well sunshine, I have the complex ideas so obviously I can defend them. I mostly don't simply because they go too far or are too complicated to explain on a forum.

You, Sir, are a pompous ass.

Sometimes. I admit it.

And, just for your information, THAT was an attack.

No, that was your opinion of me and that isn't an attack. An attack is where you try and force your opinion on me onto me or others. If your assessment of me could hold me back or change my opinion then yes, it would be an attack, however, it doesn't have that power in my case.

I guessed you wouldn't realize that without help..........

Like I said; whether it is an attack or not, has nothing to do with you, it has only to do with how I take it.
 

Scott Free

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Sounds like someone has a chip on their shoulder.
When I meet a cop or a guard I don't assume they are a powermad bully. I assume they are just another human being doing a job most people wouldn't do. They do those jobs for a variety of reasons. Occasionally, one pops up that actually is a powermad bully but they don't usually last too long in my experience.

I am not talking about the individuals, I am talking about the symbol, purpose and intent of the institution.

BTW, calling someone a lying gestapo is just as childish as painting an entire police force as bad.

Really? So only saying good things about someone or something can be true? Sounds like a strange place your fantasy world.

They actually do some good things, too.

Sure they do but so what?

Stalins granddaughter was horrified to hear of the things he did. She said no one could ever ask for a nicer grandpa.

The end doesn't justify the means, especially when it is an unending drama like a civilization.
 

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I am not talking about the individuals, I am talking about the symbol, purpose and intent of the institution.
As far as I know the purpose and intent of police forces is to uphold the laws that our society agrees upon. I am sorry if you think that concept is a bad one, but most people don't.



Really? So only saying good things about someone or something can be true? Sounds like a strange place your fantasy world.
Don't put words in my mouth.



Sure they do but so what? .............
So, there are the odd mean ones in a police force and they do bad things ..... so what? You really should accept that there are bad people amongst us wherever and whatever we do for a living and quit painting a group of people all with the same color.
 

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As far as I know the purpose and intent of police forces is to uphold the laws that our society agrees upon.

That's the propaganda. When was the last time you were asked to agree on a law?

I am sorry if you think that concept is a bad one, but most people don't.

Most people don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.
You really should accept that there are bad people amongst us wherever and whatever we do for a living and quit painting a group of people all with the same color.

When, what we call society, comes unhinged people do "bad things" and we have "bad people" in our society, I agree. Anarchism isn't like our society. There are methods for dealing with "bad people." We don't have such systems in our society, we just lock them up. They have to do time for harming the queens chattel.
 

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People moan about rules and laws and those charged with enforcing them, but what kind of society do they advocate?

Like the vast majority of Canadians, I've never been tasered. Never been abused by a cop in any way, unless you count my dad spanking me when I was little as abuse;). I have a lot more trouble with immigration officials....
 

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a friend of mine asked a police guy to do it to him for ****s and giggles. He said it was unbelievably painful and you couldn't even think about moving.
 

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I have been tasered 5 times: 3 touch stuns and 2 probes. I would reccommend it to anyone who has an opportunity to experience it. It is amazing the phenominal amount of pain a person can withstand.
 

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Colpy, YOU are the pompous ass. "I" have witnessed overly agressive cops on more than one occasion. Using far more force than was nesasary to the situation.

As I have said, witnessed, I have not personally been subject to this behaviour and when I say "witnessed" I mean from start to finish. Not coming in half way through the confrontation without know what led up to it.

Hmmmm.

First of all, my reaction to Scott Free stems from being called a liar.

I never said there weren't rotten cops.........there certainly are.

I've dealt with police from both sides of the fence, and they come off fairly well, IMHO. Not that I haven't had some trouble......and there is a certain type that seeks out police work that should not be allowed near authority, and once they get in uniform they unfortunately benefit from the sense of solidarity and isolation from society that creates the "code of silence".

But they are few.

BTW, a friend of mine in this little city was on duty for 12 hours on Christmas Day. In that 12 hours he was called to 12 screaming, yelling, violent domestic disputes. 12. On Christmas Day.

If you think that is an easy thing, that leaves you in a light sunny mood, and enhances your love for humanity......well. Here's a surprize: cops are people too.

And that just scratches the surface.
 
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The entire purpose of a uniform is to impress power onto people. A symbol cannot decide to impress some people and not others. It effect works on everyone. The body armour and hand gun are to further add to this perception. All this is violence.

violence
Noun
1. the use of physical force, usually intended to cause injury or destruction
2. great force or strength in action, feeling, or expression [Latin violentus violent]
Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006

Perhaps once you learn to speak the English language, we could carry on some kind of reasonable debate........
 

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I have been tasered 5 times: 3 touch stuns and 2 probes. I would reccommend it to anyone who has an opportunity to experience it. It is amazing the phenominal amount of pain a person can withstand.


What's your definition of 'withstanding'? I've never seen anyone carry on normally during or shortly after a tasering, in any of the vids or news articles I've seen on it. Being too crippled with pain to express it isn't really the same as 'withstanding' it, is it? Just a thought.
 

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No, but I once touched my bare elbow to a spark plug while my car was running. The only time I ever gave myself a bloody lip with my own fist.
 

Scott Free

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violence
Noun
1. the use of physical force, usually intended to cause injury or destruction
2. great force or strength in action, feeling, or expression [Latin violentus violent]
Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006

Perhaps once you learn to speak the English language, we could carry on some kind of reasonable debate........

I don't see that your definition contradicts my use of the word. Perhaps you have a comprehension problem?
 

Colpy

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I don't see that your definition contradicts my use of the word. Perhaps you have a comprehension problem?

The entire purpose of a uniform is to impress power onto people. A symbol cannot decide to impress some people and not others. It effect works on everyone. The body armour and hand gun are to further add to this perception. All this is violence.

violence
Noun
1. the use of physical force, usually intended to cause injury or destruction
2. great force or strength in action, feeling, or expression [Latin violentus violent]
Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006



Perhaps you could explain to me how the mere wearing of a uniform (which, BTW, you misunderstand completely), the carrying of a holstered weapon, or the wearing of protective body armour is "the use of physical force" or "great force or strength in action, feeling, or expression", when there is NEITHER "the use of force", nor any "great force or strength in action, feeling or expression".

And as long as we are on the use of the English language, let's deal with the other word......

No, you don't understand anarchism. You think it is a society without structure. It has structure and it is meant to weed out little piggies and little fascists. That is why you hate it and your political puppet masters hate it so much. Nothing scares them more than people with real liberty because they know damn well no one would put up with their $hit for two seconds if they thought they didn't have to.

Blah blah blah (shakes head) Believe me, the LAST thing you do is scare me.........:) :) :)

an·ar·chism (
n
r-k
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m) n. 1. The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished.
2. Active resistance and terrorism against the state, as used by some anarchists.
3. Rejection of all forms of coercive control and authority: "He was inclined to anarchism; he hated system and organization and uniformity" Bertrand Russell.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.

So, I would suggest that you do not understand anarchism...........as defined in the English language. Any societal structure that "weeds out" anything is government, by definition.

Perhaps, if we spoke the same language, we could debate............