Macleans: Welcome to Third Place, Liberals

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On the eve of the official kick-off of the Ontario provincial election, Kathleen Wynne’s governing Liberals have fallen to third place and the second-place NDP has considerable room to grow, according to a shocking new poll.

The online poll of 1,010 eligible voters, conducted on May 3 and 4 for Maclean’s by Pollara Strategic Insights, shows that support for the Liberals has declined since other recent public polls. Among decided voters, the Progressive Conservatives led by Doug Ford enjoy a strong lead with 40 per cent support. The NDP led by Andrea Horwath is in second place with 30 per cent. That leaves Wynne’s Liberals way back with 23 per cent.

The campaign is moving into a more intense and unpredictable phase. The first televised leaders’ debate is Monday night on CITY, followed by the dissolution of the legislature and the formal campaign launch on Wednesday. “This campaign’s going to matter,” Don Guy, the owner and chief strategy officer of Pollara, told Maclean’s. But his results show further room for the Liberals to fall and for the NDP to climb. Strong support as respondents’ second choice suggests Horwath’s NDP “has a lot of room to grow,” Guy said, whereas Wynne and the Liberals “aren’t even close to bottom yet.”

Asked their second choice for party preference, 33 per cent named the NDP. The provincial Green party, led by Mike Schreiner, was second with 16 per cent naming it as their second choice. The Liberals and Progressive Conservatives were each mentioned by only 11 per cent. Second-choice support often doesn’t translate into votes, but it’s considered a good way to see which parties might gain support if at some point voters become disillusioned by the party they originally supported.

The Maclean's-Pollara Ontario Election Poll: Welcome to third place, Liberals - Macleans.ca
 

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Orange/green tide baby.

There's certainly an opportunity for a Bob Rae repeat but the PCs have very good numbers right now.

A minority conservative government may be possible.
 

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Just got a robocall from Doug Ford. I didn't wait 'til the end but I think that he wanted to clean my ducks.

There's certainly an opportunity for a Bob Rae repeat but the PCs have very good numbers right now.

A minority conservative government may be possible.

A Bob Rae repeat ... Now, there's an ominous thought.
 

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She'll promise a basic minimum income or something and it'll split the vote again.
 

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She'll promise a basic minimum income or something and it'll split the vote again.

I'm not necessarily against the idea of a basic minimum income, but it's something that would need to be implemented with great caution especially given Ontario's present economic situation. Under the present circumstances, the focus should be on paying off the provincial debt before all else.
 

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So the first debate just happened.

Ford was pretty shit, to be honest.

Horwath made some serious strides and there is a legitimate possibility of an NDP government but we'll find out the real effect in the next few days.
 

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For sure.

This is Ford's game to lose right now. The way that Ontario operates, if he doesn't get a majority then it basically counts as a loss.
 

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NDP leader works to grab the spotlight in Ontario election debate

It was supposed to be a discussion about house prices. But somehow it devolved into PC Leader Doug Ford and Liberal Leader Kathleen Wynne bickering over who was kowtowing more to developers.

Finally, Andrea Horwath stepped in.

"I think the question was about affordable housing for young people," the NDP leader scolded. "Let's remember what we're talking about."

It's not the sort of headline-making zinger we look for in election debates. But Horwath accomplished the one thing she needed to in Monday night's provincial election debate: remind voters that New Democrats are a viable alternative.

'The centre of interest'

The first debate attended by the three major-party candidates ahead of the June 7 provincial election wasn't a game changer, which is no surprise given the campaign doesn't even officially start for another day.

Still, of the three leaders, Horwath came out of Monday night's 75-minute debate ahead of where she was when she went in.

"She will now be the centre of interest," said Geneviève Tellier, a political studies professor at the University of Ottawa. "Even if you didn't think you wanted to vote for her, you're more likely to pay more attention to her now."

NDP leader works to grab the spotlight in Ontario election debate | CBC News
 

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With housing sales down 30% over the last year, 12 % down in prices, and what that portends, whoever wynns will lose.

I say we let wynn wynn again and after that no liebarrel will ever be able to get elected on this planet again.