Lucky Conservatives....
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I think this is something that also depends a bit on your regional perspective, as different issues play differently and have varying importance in the different parts of the country. I thought some of the worst elections were in the 90s, playing on the whole "Preston Manning's Secret Agenda" schtick. The elections after NAFTA and CAFTA were pretty heated too. This time around, the hostility may be hitting new heights (or lows if you prefer) but it doesn't seem to be that great of an escalation, especially when you look at how adversarial things have become on Parliament Hill. Maybe its a symptom of the last 7 years of minority gov'ts, which almost by definition are doomed to shortened terms once the opposition parties find something to band together on...
Like alot of poeple on this site I spend alot of time dispelling fear mongering thats comming from concervative suporters like Colpy! I also always encourrage them to go look at the facts. This site is a dialoge site. Its not and NDP site . Ok I understad that my avatar is offencive to suporters of Concervative but its to make a serious point. I have pointed out several times now that I dont suport majority goverment from any party . Since the goal of the concervative is a majority goverment and based on what ive seen in the past like the G20 summit beatings of unarmed canadian protesters in Toronto. My avatar is my opnion of the direction that absolute power will take us. Your right I spend alot of time trying to redirect poeple but so do others here ! My point on comments in here will always be the same ! Look at the history and look at the facts on each canditate and stop repeating everthing you hear without confirming it .For the record before ther Nazi's reach the hight of there power there economics policies were suported by most contries including Canada and America. The reason we all made deals with the devil was the fear of the Communist style goverment.
PS: Ive change my Avatar since ive expressed my point for using it.
By the way I love this site! I dont want anyone to stop comming here ! Personaly I have never believe in the saying " 3 things you dont talk about religion, politic , and I think the last was sex! All topics are free games in a democratic civilised sociaty. So please everyone dont get tired, dont quit comming here ! Just the fact that you come here and comment shows you care about your ccountry. Lets continue disagreeing because I never want to live in a country where everyone conforms mindlessly!
I'm in a quandary as to who to vote for. No Party has given a comprehensive platform that appeals to me for a long time.
So i cut and splice on the basis of issues.
The number one issue in this election is the Economy. In fact, it is the bankruptcy of the Post National Free Market paradigm (Free Trade, Monetarism, Deregulation, Privatization), dictated by the Global Investment Organism and its running dogs in the IMF, World Bank, WTO. Harper is infatuated and addicted to it , and it is failing absolutely and catastrophically. All issues related to the Deficit, Health Care, Pensions are dependent on re-establishing a Sovereign Integrated Industrial Economy. Without that and in the 'logic' of a Global economic tyranny, the IMF will come in and impose Austerity on us.
The second issue is arguably the Constitution. The NDP have by far the worst proposal for this, with an agenda of APPEASEMENT with separatists, whose only interest is in disassemblig Canada by unravellling its essential framework of a strong Federal government and 10 equal and subordinate provinces. But there is no way the Constitution is going to be reopened in the forseeable future.
The third isssue is the Culture of Death. Abortion, the destruction of marriage, homosexual affirmation.. all of which is a cancerous lesion on the culture of Canada. I have, on occasion, voted on this issue alone.. but the Conservatives now state these issues are settled Law. In Truth, Harper gave lip service to them, but was utterly disinterested in them (like ALL NEO-conservatives). They simply locked up the religious demographic for him to support his radical Economic Liberalism. Basically he has removed this as a consideration for real Conservative voters.
The fourth issue is the environment. The phoniest issue of all. An appeal to sentiment over reason. But actuated by fear mongering and lies (especially about the FRAUD of AGW). There is an insidious intersection with the 'solutions' to AGW, in the carbon credit system which is intended to support and further empower the Global Investment Organism. It will impoverish producers and make trading interests rich beyond imagination.. for an utterly fictitious 'threat'. Also there is a deep affinity with the Culture of Death and RADICAL environmentalism in their hatred of the human cause & 'population' in general.
In my riding of Chilliwack Fraser Canyon, the former Conservative (Reform) MP..Chuck Strahl.. retired and engineered the nomination of his son Mark as his replacement. A real chip off the old blockhead, he has virtually no credentials for office, except having acted as a political gofer for other ex-Reform party hacks. There's no way i'm voting for him.
I think the Liberals have blown it by providing absolutely no alterative to the idiotic economic policies of the Conservatives. I understand the criticisms of 'strategic voting', but there is no one in my riding who has proffered a viable solution to an impending economic and social tsunami bearing down on us.. and that has me considering voting for the NDP.. and hoping they will never form a government.
So i cut and splice on the basis of issues.
The number one issue in this election is the Economy. In fact, it is the bankruptcy of the Post National Free Market paradigm (Free Trade, Monetarism, Deregulation, Privatization), dictated by the Global Investment Organism and its running dogs in the IMF, World Bank, WTO. Harper is infatuated and addicted to it , and it is failing absolutely and catastrophically. All issues related to the Deficit, Health Care, Pensions are dependent on re-establishing a Sovereign Integrated Industrial Economy. Without that and in the 'logic' of a Global economic tyranny, the IMF will come in and impose Austerity on us.
The second issue is arguably the Constitution. The NDP have by far the worst proposal for this, with an agenda of APPEASEMENT with separatists, whose only interest is in disassemblig Canada by unravellling its essential framework of a strong Federal government and 10 equal and subordinate provinces. But there is no way the Constitution is going to be reopened in the forseeable future.
The third isssue is the Culture of Death. Abortion, the destruction of marriage, homosexual affirmation.. all of which is a cancerous lesion on the culture of Canada. I have, on occasion, voted on this issue alone.. but the Conservatives now state these issues are settled Law. In Truth, Harper gave lip service to them, but was utterly disinterested in them (like ALL NEO-conservatives). They simply locked up the religious demographic for him to support his radical Economic Liberalism. Basically he has removed this as a consideration for real Conservative voters.
The fourth issue is the environment. The phoniest issue of all. An appeal to sentiment over reason. But actuated by fear mongering and lies (especially about the FRAUD of AGW). There is an insidious intersection with the 'solutions' to AGW, in the carbon credit system which is intended to support and further empower the Global Investment Organism. It will impoverish producers and make trading interests rich beyond imagination.. for an utterly fictitious 'threat'. Also there is a deep affinity with the Culture of Death and RADICAL environmentalism in their hatred of the human cause & 'population' in general.
In my riding of Chilliwack Fraser Canyon, the former Conservative (Reform) MP..Chuck Strahl.. retired and engineered the nomination of his son Mark as his replacement. A real chip off the old blockhead, he has virtually no credentials for office, except having acted as a political gofer for other ex-Reform party hacks. There's no way i'm voting for him.
I think the Liberals have blown it by providing absolutely no alterative to the idiotic economic policies of the Conservatives. I understand the criticisms of 'strategic voting', but there is no one in my riding who has proffered a viable solution to an impending economic and social tsunami bearing down on us.. and that has me considering voting for the NDP.. and hoping they will never form a government.
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I see. So if 10 parties were running, and one wins 20% of the seats but has the most seats, it gets to form the government without a majority? I don't think so.
According to the Westminster system, the MP supported by the majority of MPs becomes the PM, regardless of party affiliation. Parties are just a recent superficial decore added to the system after it was already created.
parties mean nothing. You vote in the best MP for your riding, and the MP who can win the confidense of the House, even if he's an independent MP! becomes PM.
For the umpteenth time, the problem is not with coalitions.......it is with giving the BQ a place at the table.
1. The BQ is likely to be decimated this time around.
2. Even if that weren't the case, the BQ was democratically elected, was it not?
So we ban all MPs who believe in separating Canada. Then what? Communist MPs? Then socialist? Then socialist? Then liberal? Then finally liberal conservative because they're all traitors to Canada.
Zen ze drem vil finali kum tru!
Your missing my point. I am not interrupting the law, I am expressing an opinion. Expressing ones opinion is still legal in Canada.
My Point is, the people select how they want their country managed. Different parties put forth how they would manage the country if they were selected.
The people listen and decide. The one with the most winning seats forms the government.
Yes, even if there are 10 running, the people always should ultimately decide.
The losers should not be managing the country unless they have gone back to the people and got their majority support.
Opinion, get it !!!
For the umpteenth time, I didn't hear any Conservative supporters like yourself complaining when the Bloc were needed to hold your table up, to keep it from toppling over.
Wow!
Were did you hear me propose "banning" the Bloc?????????????????
I propose IGNORING the Bloc, rendering them powerless in the House, thus making their election somewhat futile in the eyes of Quebevers.
I submit that creating a government that depends solely on Bloc support is a serious tactical mistake in the fight to keep Canada together.
Full Stop.
I hope that Harper gets a majority.
Failing that, if the Liberals are decimated in the election, I hope they back the Conservatives to keep idiot Jack away from government.............
Failing that, I hope the NDP/Liberals get enough seats to form a coalition gov't WITHOUT the BQ.
In order of preference.......
At no time has the CPC depended solely on the Bloc for support to maintain its government. In other words, the BQ has never been able to hold a sword to the throat of the gov't while it makes demands.
BIG difference.
Nice deflection.
Truth is the CPC has worked with the vile seperatists before and will again.
So if we never get a majority party, and no party can win the confidence of the House, then we ought to have perpetual elections?
Pretty much, as long as we have the insane notion that the ruling minority government EVER has the confidence of the opposition. The opposition, by definition, NEVER affords confidence, that is why they are called opposition.
Change the system to have set elections, rather than this circus of power-hungry jerks like Iggy and Jackie (or for that matter ANY opposition leader) holding the country hostage.
That I could agree to. But then it would mean whenever the budget is always voted down, they might as well all go on holiday for the next five years seeing that not much will get done anyway with no Bill ever getting passed.
Then again, maybe it would be a good thing to shut down government. It certainly would save much money.
Since, by definition, the opposition opposes everything, the budget should not be treated differently from any other matter. The budget should stand, and if it is a bad one, the Party of the minority government would have a hard time at the next election.
BTW, was there any time when the budget brought down by a minority government had the confidence of the opposition? If yes, when and how many times in history?
The opposition doesn't always oppose everything. Sometimes they support things they have introduced themselves (IE Private member bills and resolutions).
Also, minority governments have passed budgets in the past. Otherwise we would have an election almost every year at this time.