Looks like it's back to business as usual in Iraq for U.S. troops!

[gopher]

I've spent some time the last couple of days going back in the archives to check out some old threads and posts people made in which we predicted that Bush's war would eventually expand. That his ''mission accomplished" nonsense that had been applauded so enthusiastically by the right wing would not pan out as they believed it would. I noticed that many anti-war folks who used to say all this would eventually mean more war and revolution are no longer on the forum as they have been chased away by the right wing leaning types who run this forum. I sure wish those folks would come back so that they can see for themselves that they had been correct all along.

 

[Corduroy]

They intend to transform people like me out of existence.

 

[Spade]

I've spent some time the last couple of days going back in the archives to check out some old threads and posts people made in which we predicted that Bush's war would eventually expand. That his ''mission accomplished" nonsense that had been applauded so enthusiastically by the right wing would not pan out as they believed it would. I noticed that many anti-war folks who used to say all this would eventually mean more war and revolution are no longer on the forum as they have been chased away by the right wing leaning types who run this forum. I sure wish those folks would come back so that they can see for themselves that they had been correct all along.

Yes, they predicted the Iraqis would welcome the Coalition Forces with flowers for their rifles.

 

[BaalsTears]

You represent the spirit of the right. I rest my case.

You don't have a case. You have a set of emotions.

I am not a typical member of the right. I am an outlier at the moment because I have given up on the US as a polity. In that sense I am post-American. I suspect this is something outside of your experience.

Why bring a bunch of Canadians into the discussion?

 

[gopher]

Ultra conservative says,


Don’t Blame Iraq on Obama Alone
Some Republicans are indulging in revisionist history.


for Beltway Republicans to blame Obama alone for the implosion of Iraq — which is now being overrun by the same Sunni jihadists those Republicans have championed in Syria and Libya — is shameful.

it was not Obama who agreed to the withdrawal schedule. It was President Bush. And it was not Obama who turned Iraq into an Islamic-supremacist state seething with anti-American and anti-Semitic hatred.

Iraq remains an incorrigible sharia society in which the persecution of religious minorities and homosexuals is routine. Far from democratizing the country in any cultural sense, Bush officials fortified these tendencies



more ...



source: NATIONAL REVIEW


I would like to see forum Republicans and wannabes say just once (at least) that this is correct. How about just this once?

 

[Kreskin]

You don't have a case. You have a set of emotions.

I am not a typical member of the right. I am an outlier at the moment because I have given up on the US as a polity. In that sense I am post-American. I suspect this is something outside of your experience.



Why bring a bunch of Canadians into the discussion?

I don't see eye to eye with those who paint every news story with anti-Obama rhetoric. Frankly I don't understand why the present news cycle has to become political smear. If the discussion must be so I just point out the original source of this quagmire.

 

[JLM]

I don't see eye to eye with those who paint every news story with anti-Obama rhetoric. Frankly I don't understand why the present news cycle has to become political smear. If the discussion must be so I just point out the original source of this quagmire.

I don't think sensible people do! -

 

[EagleSmack]

I don't see eye to eye with those who paint every news story with anti-Obama rhetoric. Frankly I don't understand why the present news cycle has to become political smear. If the discussion must be so I just point out the original source of this quagmire.

Sadam Hussein?

 

[Count_Lothian]

Hilary is in torotno for a book signing.
She was interviewed and the main topic was Iraq.
If a transcript become available she could well go down as an expert on this crisis.
Having her at the helm would give the world a sense of security .

I hope she runs and wins.

Sadam Hussein?

The heavy handedness of his rule and if you can forget about his gassing Kurds he really wasn't that bad for the world at large.

These people are total right offs and their charge of oil is far to big a deal to ignore.

His dictatorship killed less than the result of two presidential wars .

The killing that will happen in the next few months will far out weigh anything he did.

so is there a lesson to be learned in all this.

Look at Musharraf in Pakistan. He was fired for ousting five corrupt judges.
A public outcry ended his reign. The next power base reinstated the five judges only to fire them six months later due to corruption.

 

[JLM]

Hilary is in torotno for a book signing.
She was interviewed and the main topic was Iraq.
If a transcript become available she could well go down as an expert on this crisis.
Having her at the helm would give the world a sense of security .

I hope she runs and wins.

I'm still trying to figure out whether Hillary would be a detriment or a liability!

 

[EagleSmack]

I'm still trying to figure out whether Hillary would be a detriment or a liability!

I don't know. But I would hardly call her an expert on the crisis.

I'm not so sure Obama is doing the wrong thing on this either. The Iraqi Govt. wanted us out and we left.

Now the Iraqi Army up till now have retreated in the face of an under equipped smaller yet determined enemy. So far they have taken Sunni populated areas. We shall see what happens when they close in on Shia areas.

 

[petros]

I don't know. But I would hardly call her an expert on the crisis.

I'm not so sure Obama is doing the wrong thing on this either. The Iraqi Govt. wanted us out and we left.

Now the Iraqi Army up till now have retreated in the face of an under equipped smaller yet determined enemy. So far they have taken Sunni populated areas. We shall see what happens when they close in on Shia areas.

If she is aiming for the top chair she is going to have to get a stick of the Low T pit stick and dig in.

 

[JLM]

I don't know. But I would hardly call her an expert on the crisis.

I'm not so sure Obama is doing the wrong thing on this either. The Iraqi Govt. wanted us out and we left.

Now the Iraqi Army up till now have retreated in the face of an under equipped smaller yet determined enemy. So far they have taken Sunni populated areas. We shall see what happens when they close in on Shia areas.

From what I understood years ago when Saddam was alive, the Shias were the good guys and the Sunnis were the A$$holes!

 

[petros]

From what I uunderstand when Saddam was alive, the Shias were the good guys and the Sunnis were the A$$holes!

This whole mess with Muzzies goes back a long long time. During the Cold War both sides created and armed militant Socialistic leaders in the ME and then put them deep in debt to be kept under thumbs and debt payments made in oil. Sunni in some Shias running others.

Since end of the Cold War these guys were no longer have backing from either but still have the debts.

The battle is on again for dominance in the ME but there are more players and the battlefield unique to anything we've ever seen before.

 

[darkbeaver]

I don't see eye to eye with those who paint every news story with anti-Obama rhetoric. Frankly I don't understand why the present news cycle has to become political smear. If the discussion must be so I just point out the original source of this quagmire.

The political smear is theatre by the Mass Media presstitutes who are owned by the same crooked pricks that own the politicians. The original source is not original at all it's the same source and has been for five hundred years, internationalist money bags, globalist scum and the sleeping masses of sports fans and WWF adherants.

This whole mess with Muzzies goes back a long long time. During the Cold War both sides created and armed militant Socialistic leaders in the ME and then put them deep in debt to be kept under thumbs and debt payments made in oil. Sunni in some Shias running others.

Since end of the Cold War these guys were no longer have backing from either but still have the debts.

The battle is on again for dominance in the ME but there are more players and the battlefield unique to anything we've ever seen before.

What novelty is at work in this situation? All this crap is thousands of years old, always the same, works every time, almost.

 

[Zipperfish]

Tony Blair: 'We didn't cause Iraq crisis'






The 2003 invasion of Iraq is not to blame for the violent insurgency now gripping the country, former UK prime minister Tony Blair has said.


He told the BBC there would still be a "major problem" in Iraq even without the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003.


He insisted the current crisis was an issue that "affects us all" and urged more western intervention in the area.


Critics have rejected the comments as "bizarre" with one accusing Mr Blair of "washing his hands of responsibility".

Tony Blair has trouble taking responsibility for his decisions.

Why bring a bunch of Canadians into the discussion?

Becasue we had the sense to stay out of Viet Nam and Iraq and we were fighting Hitler for two or three years before the Americans showed up. Next time there's a potential for war the President of the US should phone up Canada and say "Hey, what are you guys doing for this one?" :lol:

 

[Spade]

Whoops, the CIA done wrong song!
CIA begins weapons delivery to Syrian rebels - The Washington Post

B.J. Thomas - ANOTHER SOMEBODY DONE SOMEBODY WRONG SONG ( sin video ) - YouTube

 

[damngrumpy]

The problem is the same for Obama as it was for George Bush. Both claimed a
victory that was not a victory and for one important reason.

Neither of these men nor their Advisers understand what the Middle East is really
about. In addition they do not comprehend we have been at War with radical Islam
since 9/11 and the ramping up of war continues in stages. Either we fight the damn
war or isolate the people in that part of the world with the same kind of embargo as
Cuba and we know that won't fly.
For some reason we continue to evade the real issue for a serious reason OIL
Funny how ones ethics can be greased by OIL ain't it

 

[EagleSmack]

Becasue we had the sense to stay out of Viet Nam and Iraq and we were fighting Hitler for two or three years before the Americans showed up.

Don't be silly.

Next time there's a potential for war the President of the US should phone up Canada and say "Hey, what are you guys doing for this one?" :lol:

How did this work out? Mission accomplished?

 

[BaalsTears]

I don't see eye to eye with those who paint every news story with anti-Obama rhetoric. Frankly I don't understand why the present news cycle has to become political smear. If the discussion must be so I just point out the original source of this quagmire.

Do the errors of the past obviate the need for leadership in the present?

Sadam Hussein?

No. Sykes and Picot.

...
Becasue we had the sense to stay out of Viet Nam and Iraq and we were fighting Hitler for two or three years before the Americans showed up. Next time there's a potential for war the President of the US should phone up Canada and say "Hey, what are you guys doing for this one?" :lol:

Canada sent its men and women on a fool's errand into Afghanistan. How smart was that?