Look At Them..Singing Their Hearts Out

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That is the point I tried to make earlier but failed. That kind of celebrity event has itself become a substitute for the real help. It is definitely for us and not for them. Everything tends to become media events and only when they cannot be contained under the threshold of our daily awareness, our need to convey our empathy and compassion and love is also met and contained with 'the staged event in aid of' speeches are made, monies are collected, songs are written,nothing seems to change. In that one hour we are assured that we will make things right and we rest in that assurance. It is no longer a priority for us we feel much better. John Chuckman in his article this past week asked" what are we to do with this information" meaning the media deluge surrounding this disaster, well what you wrote is exactly what we are meant to do and it is as much, when we examine the poverty and starvation and war of today and the last century, exactly as much as we ever do, never enough and never in the right place.

Excellent - your point was not lost on me the first time you made it. Perhaps mine was lost on you though. What would you have us do instead? Lay out a better, more feasible option, and then... get on it.

fyi, I didn't donate to any of the telethons either last night. I too have other venues to contribute - that doesn't in any way negate their efforts imo though.

... and I have to say... I know you're right about some of the points you've made, but it doesn't sit well with me to politicize this tragedy. I've also wondered why things haven't improved in spite of all the help that's been provided over the years.... and I'm sure I wouldn't like the answers.

But this is not the time for that. This is the time to hold Haiti in our hearts and bear witness to the grief that has taken seige of her people ...and honour that by doing what we can - be it a little or a lot - to help ease some of that immediate pain.

So. Let me know when you've got feet on the ground in Haiti, and my next donation will be to your efforts.
 

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Excellent - your point was not lost on me the first time you made it. Perhaps mine was lost on you though. What would you have us do instead? Lay out a better, more feasible option, and then... get on it.

fyi, I didn't donate to any of the telethons either last night. I too have other venues to contribute - that doesn't in any way negate their efforts imo though.

... and I have to say... I know you're right about some of the points you've made, but it doesn't sit well with me to politicize this tragedy. I've also wondered why things haven't improved in spite of all the help that's been provided over the years.... and I'm sure I wouldn't like the answers.

But this is not the time for that. This is the time to hold Haiti in our hearts and bear witness to the grief that has taken seige of her people ...and honour that by doing what we can - be it a little or a lot - to help ease some of that immediate pain.

So. Let me know when you've got feet on the ground in Haiti, and my next donation will be to your efforts.

The tragedy was politicized of course by the people I criticize but you criticize me for getting on them. It is long past time to ease the pain of the third world. Think about this though, if you want to, it is fact that the money and resources spent on media and the controll of the event will, by several hundred times, eclipse the total aid that reaches Hati. That is the usual case I believe.
 

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... and I have to say... I know you're right about some of the points you've made, but it doesn't sit well with me to politicize this tragedy. I've also wondered why things haven't improved in spite of all the help that's been provided over the years.... and I'm sure I wouldn't like the answers.
Politics, greed.

But this is not the time for that. This is the time to hold Haiti in our hearts and bear witness to the grief that has taken seige of her people ...and honour that by doing what we can - be it a little or a lot - to help ease some of that immediate pain.
Yup.

So. Let me know when you've got feet on the ground in Haiti, and my next donation will be to your efforts.
A couple friends and we are going to scoot around a bit and collect stuff people don't want anymore tomorrow. Old clothes, blankets, whatever. Maybe even old jewelry. :D Then I can email that annoying "Cash for Gold" company and tell em they won't get the gold, Haiti will. :D
 

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Think about this though, if you want to, it is fact that the money and resources spent on media and the controll of the event will, by several hundred times, eclipse the total aid that reaches Hati. That is the usual case I believe.

A sobering thought for sure DB - I hope you're wrong. I confess I know little about the details of how these things are administered - you make a good case for the need for transparancy.

Then I can email that annoying "Cash for Gold" company and tell em they won't get the gold, Haiti will. :D

Way to go Anna - now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!
 

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I would guess that 'the rich' are donating, doing their own things, and don't have the time or interest to watch a concert. The concerts only tend to appeal to middle class people.

Tenpenny... when discussing countries like Haiti, aside from the small percentage on welfare, when I say 'the rich', I mean all North Americans. We are rich beyond words compared.
 

karrie

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So if someone contributes an hour of their time it's still better than nothing. Could they do more? Probably, but I'm not here to judge anyone else's contribution, I'm just saying - do something - anything - except stand back, let everyone else make their contributions and critique their efforts.

I guess I just don't see how watching a 1 hour benefit concert from the comfort of your home is contributing. You haven't spent anything, haven't done anything. For those who HAVE donated, are engaged, are plugged into what's going on, it's one thing... they've paid into that concert in a sense.... I just tend to be a bit cynical and assume a larger percentage didn't donate one red cent to any of the aid.
 

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Just once I'd like to see a show put on by poor nobodies to take contributions from the wealthy. When I was a kid I wondered why it wasn't that way, and sometimes still do.
 

karrie

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Just once I'd like to see a show put on by poor nobodies to take contributions from the wealthy. When I was a kid I wondered why it wasn't that way, and sometimes still do.

While I get what you're saying, I just always assume that anyone willing to do a telethon, charity concert, etc., has already donated a huge chunk that I couldn't possibly afford, and is looking to boost that #.

Plus, I know enough charity workers now to know that rich people ARE constantly hit up for money by people who can't afford to give themselves, but, are willing to pound the pavement to drum up donations from people who can.
 

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While I get what you're saying, I just always assume that anyone willing to do a telethon, charity concert, etc., has already donated a huge chunk that I couldn't possibly afford, and is looking to boost that #.

Plus, I know enough charity workers now to know that rich people ARE constantly hit up for money by people who can't afford to give themselves, but, are willing to pound the pavement to drum up donations from people who can.

Maybe so but they get free advertising. Just when you think some of these people are dead they appear on a something-aid concert to get a few more sales.

They should be hit up more, imo. They could give away half of their income and not miss a beat in lifestyle. I say shame them into a giving concert. Have 'Nobodies-Aid'. A bunch of garage bands, and donations get published live.
 

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Haiti, hell and hypocrisy

January 19th, 2010

by webmaster in In Solidarity, Nibbling on The Empire

I cringe when I hear folks like Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon use the word “solidarity” in the same breath as “Haiti.” I’m all for solidarity with the Haitian people, but when it is expressed by the likes of Cannon, I gag.

The Haitian disaster relief program is a thinly disguised military operation to secure the country for corporate interests. Sure, some people are getting food and medical attention, but not nearly enough, given the resources and capabilities of the United States and Canada.

Cynthia McKinney, the U.S. Green Party’s 2008 presidential candidate, captures the hypocrisy in an article published today at Global Research, when she writes:
President Obama’s response to the tragedy in Haiti has been robust in military deployment and puny in what the Haitians need most: food; first responders and their specialized equipment; doctors and medical facilities and equipment; and engineers, heavy equipment, and heavy movers. Sadly, President Obama is dispatching Presidents Bush and Clinton, and thousands of Marines and U.S. soldiers. By contrast, Cuba has over 400 doctors on the ground and is sending in more; Cubans, Argentinians, Icelanders, Nicaraguans, Venezuelans, and many others are already on the ground working–saving lives and treating the injured.
Obama’s and Harper’s emphasis on a military response makes sense when you review the history of Canada and the U.S. in the region and factor in Haiti’s undeveloped petroleum reserves.

Haiti has been under a military occupation — ostensibly a U.N. program to stabilize the country — since 2004 when the U.S. Marines (with Canadian complicity) kidnapped President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and spirited him out of the country. The lead-up to the coup included years of economic destabilization brought on by IMF-imposed “structural adjustments” and covert CIA support for Aristide’s opponents (who yearned for the good old days when the Tonton Macoutes would keep the masses in line).

Aristide remains popular among the poor majority in Haiti for the reforms he tried to implement. Who knows what could happen in the wake of an earthquake that not only killed hundreds of thousands but also totally destroyed state and international infrastructure and control? The resulting instability offers an opening for Aristide supporters that must cause unease in Washington, Ottawa and corporate boardrooms that benefit from keeping the Haitians down.

Haiti is popularly understood to be the poorest country the Americas, and one of the poorest in the world. More sophisticated measurements can be found here. The fact is, 80 per cent of the population is dirt poor, living on less than $1,000 a year and often, literally, eating dirt. (If you want to see Haitians eating dirt, watch Inside a Failed State – Haiti, a recent film by Journeyman Pictures.)

Haitians are poor, in large measure, because wages are low and labour standards are nonexistent. According to Canada-Haiti Action, the Canadian firm Gildan, with nearly 8000 employees in the textile sector, is the biggest employer in Haiti, after the Haitian government. The Montreal-based company has been accused of relying on sweatshop labour.

While Haitians are poor, the country is resource rich. For example, Majescor Resources Inc., a Canadian mining company, last year partnered with SIMACT, a group of Canadian financiers and Haitian-American developers, to explore for gold and copper in Haiti.

But I doubt that Obama is dispatching the Marines to safeguard the interests of Canadian T-shirt manufacturers and mining companies. More compelling are reports of sizable, undeveloped petroleum reserves. There is credible evidence that Haiti’s oil patch makes Venezuela’s look tiny by comparison. Read Ezili Danto’s superb discussion of this, entitled Oil in Haiti – Economic Reasons for the UN/US occupation, published last October, on OpenSalon.com.

There is a lot to know about Haiti that you won’t find in the mainstream media. Here are some alternative sources I highly recommend:
Canadians are responding generously and we need to redouble our efforts. However, our governments (Liberal and Conservative) continue to mislead us about the nature of their involvement with Haiti, prior to and following the quake. We can’t let them get away with this.
 

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Haiti, hell and hypocrisy

We've already got 8-9 other Haiti Threads. This Earthquake only happened ten
days ago. Couldn't this fit into one of the other 8-9 Threads? I can merge it with
whatever thread you think it'll fit into for you....
 

JBeee

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Sounds good Ron.
It might fit in the `singing thier hearts out` thread.
 

karrie

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Maybe so but they get free advertising. Just when you think some of these people are dead they appear on a something-aid concert to get a few more sales.

They should be hit up more, imo. They could give away half of their income and not miss a beat in lifestyle. I say shame them into a giving concert. Have 'Nobodies-Aid'. A bunch of garage bands, and donations get published live.

So? Have you been to a single hospital that doesn't have a named wing of some sort? Or a wall of plaques with names of donors? Everyone does it.
 

Kreskin

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So? Have you been to a single hospital that doesn't have a named wing of some sort? Or a wall of plaques with names of donors? Everyone does it.

Many of these people on hospital wings were nearing the end of their own lives and suddenly got "legacyitus". They realized they'll be passing on and want to be remembered for something, and didn't want to leave an estate to a family of drug addicts or despised in-laws. And I'm serious about that.
 

karrie

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Many of these people on hospital wings were nearing the end of their own lives and suddenly got "legacyitus". They realized they'll be passing on and want to be remembered for something, and didn't want to leave an estate to a family of drug addicts or despised in-laws. And I'm serious about that.

But you get my point... the vast majority of estates and businesses advertise their charity work. A singer is no different... they're a business.
 

Kreskin

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But you get my point... the vast majority of estates and businesses advertise their charity work. A singer is no different... they're a business.

True, but it is selfish in what is being done. Those names on hospital wings wouldn't be paying a dime for this cause. They're too busy arguing with a tenant who wants his heat on or refusing to pay a tradesman. It's not until they get payback (legacy) when they become voluntary. What does the average Joe get for donating to this cause? A donation that he probably can't afford.
 

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So we all without question sincerely want Hatians to enjoy life as we do, there is no question in my mind about that, we are all of one mind in that respect. Hati has the resources and it has the very beautiful and very capable people as well, why do they suffer then? Find out why, the answers are out there all we have to do is suspend our bias and apply our critical thought. It is because they are a subjugated conquered people and poverty and eventual complete destruction is the cost of those conditions. I read this evening that the USA as yet has not installed a field hospital and that infection from untreated wounds is beginning to take many lives. They are being left to die by the mightiest military ever there was. The acts of a Pathocracy.
 

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Hmmmm,lets clear up some untruths and misconceptions about exploration mining and prospecting shall we?
While Haitians are poor, the country is resource rich. For example, Majescor Resources Inc., a Canadian mining company, last year partnered with SIMACT, a group of Canadian financiers and Haitian-American developers, to explore for gold and copper in Haiti.

First off this is a good thing,it will create jobs and royaltys for Haitians,like any country they set the rules for permits and hiring a certain percentage of locals for the jobs that become available,every single country in the world does this,there are no exceptions.

Second,The people who invest in these gambles(and they are gambles) are willing to risk money on the company doing the exploring so they better be reputable,the investors come from all over the world and they are gambling on high returns at the risk of none at all.As posted by a certain someone Haiti is dirt poor,how else are they going to get at these resources if not with outside help like any other mine in the world.

Third,mines dont happen overnight,they take a minimum of ten years of core drilling and assaying enough samples and identifying enough ore bodys to make a mine feasible,in Canada it's more like 20 years before a prospect becomes a mine and finding investors during this time is very hard,only seasoned well experienced investors fund these projects and the property will change hands many many times before a mine plan is even drawn up.

Fourth,someone likes posting B.S. thinking if it's said enough times it must be true,I dont care what the mainstream media says,they have zero experience in what exploration mining is all about. The meadowbank mine in Nunavut just came into production this year,there was well over 30 years of exploration to make it provable,the discovery mine is still in exploration,15 years of exploration done so far and ten more to come yet,the Doris mine....25 years of exploration and core drilling,I could go on and on as I have worked in these mines and know it's not something that happens overnight so saying any country is in to grab the wealth as quick as they can doesnt have a clue.

I hold a level 2 supervisor certificate in exploration mining in Nunavut so I cant believe some of the lies I see posted here about mining,total B.S.
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Kakato

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One more,jbee claims that folks want to exploit their oil reserves yet posts this.
Haiti is popularly understood to be the poorest country the Americas, and one of the poorest in the world. More sophisticated measurements can be found here. The fact is, 80 per cent of the population is dirt poor, living on less than $1,000 a year and often, literally, eating dirt. (If you want to see Haitians eating dirt,

So who do you think should gamble the dollars if they cant?
This would mean more jobs and maybe not haveing to depend on foreign aid anymore,once again,a good thing for the country,sounds like jbee wants this country to remain dirt poor.

Sorry but in the real world it's the folks with money that make these projects happen.
You contradict yourself so many times it's allmost laughable.
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