Look At Them..Singing Their Hearts Out

Kreskin

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Your not understanding betrays your honesty and emphathy and compassion. JBee sees feels the same things. I have listened to Hatis laundry being washed in the news for a week since the earthquake struck I have seen them being further stripped of even the right to conduct their own rescue and we have all witnessed full and complete military occupation. What are we to believe? Many people doubt the sincerity of the medias portrayal, and for very good reason. It all should give new meaning to the old caution of the roads to hell being paved with good intention. Good intention is a media weapon. We just got finished obliterating Iraq with good intentions delivered in Trojan horses. IMO

The media is on the ground and look sincere to me. Intentions look good. What seems to be the problem?
 

darkbeaver

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excuse me? I've betrayed nothing. DB - yanno I can usually appreciate where your point of view is coming from even if I don't agree with it but this time... not so much. Sitting around bitching about the folks who had it in them to step up and do something to help is ridiculous.

Airing Haiti's laundry in the news? Dood! Their homes have just been razed to the ground - with many of them still in 'em! Military occupation? Not allowing them to help themselves? Seriously?? How are they supposed to help themselves? They have NOTHING! They were - and still are - a crumpled mass of suffering humanity - plummeted into the depths of dispair and need.... and you wanna let them help themselves? What are we to believe, you ask? Believe this: We should get up off our lazy well fed asses and do whatever we can to help - and if you don't like the help that's being organized on our behalf to provide a vehicle for us to deliver assistance, then get on up and find your own way to help. And comparing this to Iraq? DB - you really flew off on a tangent on this one. 8O

Ok not betray but display, same thing, both positive. You are also judging my feelings and good intentions for Hatians as inferior to yours when they are the same as yours. Hatians have been portrayed as incapable long before this quake presently they are being portrayed as looters and baby sellers by the same media that you think is going to help them. If you don't see the Iraq analogy then you just don't see it. I don't fly off on tangents as much as you think, maybe.
 

TenPenny

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petros, I only asked a simple question: is it really charity when the money you shell out buys you a concert of your favourite entertainers (in other words, you GOT something for your money)?

You're not involved in many charitable organizations, are you.
It's quite common to give something to encourage more donations: concerts, nibblies, gala events, etc.
Our government even gives something called a tax deduction in return for charitable donations.
 

Kakato

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There was a priest on tv last night and the media followed him around as he offered to take the orphans and give them better homes,no takers.Guess someone just likes to make stuff up.
 

Kreskin

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DB, the Haitian internal search and rescue team will be ready to go once they dig themselves out a collapsed building and are able to rub two pennies together.
 

Kakato

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Hatians are not telling you their story the MSM is telling its own story about Hati and Hatians, and that is"hope and change" .

They were telling their story last night and this morning on the news via the media and it contradicts everything you have been claiming.

I think i'll believe what the haitans have been saying,they seem to be a bit more up on the situation then you.
 

Kakato

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Doesnt matter,it was over 3 hours footage and the camera doesnt lie.
If you were up to speed on the situation you would know the UN is moving them to a huge new tent city they are building right now for a half million people but if your ignorant of that fact then your not keeping up with progress being made or your going by something you saw last week.Typical of someone who is maybe trying to mislead people.
 

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"You're not involved in many charitable organizations, are you.
It's quite common to give something to encourage more donations: concerts, nibblies, gala events, etc.
Our government even gives something called a tax deduction in return for charitable donations."

TenPenny, I started getting involved with Habitat for Humanity in 1993, after Hurricane Andrew devastated Southern Florida. I drove to Homestead on my on dime, spent two weeks of my vacation to help to rebuild. I repeated that every year until 2000, when my pain from arthritis was too much to cope with.

In addition to that I participated in HFH blitzes in Saint Johns, Newfoundland (1997), Regina (1998), Halifax (1999) and after my surgery in Ottawa in 2002.

I also took part in Labbatt's 24-hour Marathon for Easter seals Kids at least 10 times.

I also donated some of my vacation time in Portage-de-Sioux, MO, after the Mississippi floods in 1994. And in Albany, GE after the Flint River flood in 1995. And in Chavais , KY, with the Appalachian Service Project in 1996 and 1997.

I NEVER looked for a refund or a discount from the government for my efforts. ALL were strictly on my own dime.

You had the nerve to question me if I were ever involved with charitable organizations. I hope the above will answer your question and shuts you up forever.

I expect no apologies.
 
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darkbeaver

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Since the Tears are Not Enough events happened absolutely nothing has been done to eliminate poverty hunger or war. It is very much worse than it has ever been. Not every body wants to change that. We all have good intentions but few of us can point to good results.
 

petros

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No different than any other NGO, bingo, casino, bake sale or beer and brat party. Do I need to attend all those too or do I make my credit card or cell phone provider company money and pretend to donate?

How about I do something locally to free up resources and money so when
there is a disaster we don't have to worry about our poor first. Sound good?
 

karrie

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Believe this: We should get up off our lazy well fed asses and do whatever we can to help -

That's what makes me most cynical about charity concerts... the audience. The apathetic, rich, fat, selfish wads who watch and come away feeling 'one' with the cause, without ever contributing anything more than their hour of viewing time.
 

TenPenny

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That's what makes me most cynical about charity concerts... the audience. The apathetic, rich, fat, selfish wads who watch and come away feeling 'one' with the cause, without ever contributing anything more than their hour of viewing time.

I would guess that 'the rich' are donating, doing their own things, and don't have the time or interest to watch a concert. The concerts only tend to appeal to middle class people.
 

darkbeaver

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That's what makes me most cynical about charity concerts... the audience. The apathetic, rich, fat, selfish wads who watch and come away feeling 'one' with the cause, without ever contributing anything more than their hour of viewing time.

That is the point I tried to make earlier but failed. That kind of celebrity event has itself become a substitute for the real help. It is definitely for us and not for them. Everything tends to become media events and only when they cannot be contained under the threshold of our daily awareness, our need to convey our empathy and compassion and love is also met and contained with 'the staged event in aid of' speeches are made, monies are collected, songs are written,nothing seems to change. In that one hour we are assured that we will make things right and we rest in that assurance. It is no longer a priority for us we feel much better. John Chuckman in his article this past week asked" what are we to do with this information" meaning the media deluge surrounding this disaster, well what you wrote is exactly what we are meant to do and it is as much, when we examine the poverty and starvation and war of today and the last century, exactly as much as we ever do, never enough and never in the right place.
 

AnnaG

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Well, whatever helps, helps. Some people like the music. I liked some of it, too. My donations went to Haiti via other means but how something helps doesn't matter. One time when the end justifies the means. :)
 

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That's what makes me most cynical about charity concerts... the audience. The apathetic, rich, fat, selfish wads who watch and come away feeling 'one' with the cause, without ever contributing anything more than their hour of viewing time.

I think there are are almost as many ways to respond to the situation as there are people. Some can and will do alot. Some can do alot but will do very little or maybe even nothing. Others can do very little. Most of us will fall somewhere in the midst of that range.

So if someone contributes an hour of their time it's still better than nothing. Could they do more? Probably, but I'm not here to judge anyone else's contribution, I'm just saying - do something - anything - except stand back, let everyone else make their contributions and critique their efforts.

This doesn't have to be about how the fat cats bond with the cause - for me it's about searching within, and coming up with whatever my own best response can be. At the risk of repeating myself - if you don't like what others are doing, find a way to do something you can appreciate.
 

AnnaG

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I think there are are almost as many ways to respond to the situation as there are people. Some can and will do alot. Some can do alot but will do very little or maybe even nothing. Others can do very little. Most of us will fall somewhere in the midst of that range.

So if someone contributes an hour of their time it's still better than nothing. Could they do more? Probably, but I'm not here to judge anyone else's contribution, I'm just saying - do something - anything - except stand back, let everyone else make their contributions and critique their efforts.

This doesn't have to be about how the fat cats bond with the cause - for me it's about searching within, and coming up with whatever my own best response can be. At the risk of repeating myself - if you don't like what others are doing, find a way to do something you can appreciate.
Egg Zachary!
 
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AnnaG

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It might seem kind of strange, also, that if the people that scoff at others helping people in some way ever get into trouble themselves, the people they scoffed at would help them, too. We hoomins are kinda neat that way.