Don't even joke... our mayor bandied about the idea of a ban on the sale of knives Bear.
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Don't even joke... our mayor bandied about the idea of a ban on the sale of knives Bear.
Shuddap!!!
Are you serious?
There's a reason my view of the gun registry definitely shifted, and watching that useless sack of meat talk about how the safety of our city took precedent to people's access to a TOOL, that blew me away. From there we'd have had to ban bats. Then hockey sticks, then chain, then trees for frig sake. If people want to hurt eachother, they'll find ways.
Shuddap!!!
Are you serious?
Why can a person walk down the street with a knife that you could skin an elephant with - It does happen and it is freaking stupid. These are freaks are far as i am concerned - and what reason justifies them being able to do this.
Another are machetes - Now everyone in a city needs these I guess. Right - for the guy with the elephant skinning knife -
Yes they could come up with a law.
To many stabbings - to many killed - In Edmonton the amount of stabbings is horrendous.
Just because you can does not make it right or sensible.
Should I have to leave the city to buy the machete that my dad asked for, for clearing raspberry canes and other assorted underbrush at the acreage? That makes no sense either.
or hedge trimmers, or baseball bats, or ice picks.
You pass all the laws you want, the people who grab a weapon and head downtown to pick a fight aren't the people who give a hoot about what's legal or sensible.
I lived in Edmonton for four years, and I had some relatives up from the states who made the comment that one must feel safer in Edmonton than one would in a place like Denver, what with the lack of handguns, and I had to explain how northern workers coming into town to party in their off-weeks made up for it with their bush-knives.
restricting or inhibiting the access of a sensible, rational, law abiding citizen, to a tool, should not be part of our culture.
As I see it the problem is that the politicians use a nuclear bomb to kill a mosquito. They apply laws that may make sense in a city to the whole country and make themselves look stupid. Like the long gun registry. Where I live there are a lot of small farms and people like us that have horses. There are also lots of predators around and one can not wait a week to have the game warden show up. Did you know they don't work weekends but have an answering machine? To us a rifle is a tool, just like a chain saw. next thing you know some idiot will watch Texas chain saw massacre and want to register them as well, along with rules on storage and licensing. And police to look in the woodshed to make sure it has the latest lock on it.
Which brings up the silly comparison of rifles to cars. My rifle has not left the property for five or six years so by using the car analogy I should not have to license it.
A number of years ago in Germany they were having a masive problem with smog etc - The Govt asked drivers to slow down on the Autobahn - reduce emissions etc - Guess what the majority did so.
But our society everyone feels they have the right for this and that just because they can - I cannot see the sense or the right to walk about town with a machette in your hand without a legitimate purpose - Justify why they are carrying it if stopped by Police - if it is valid fine - if not - confiscate it - fine them. But this is a topic for another thread.
But our society everyone feels they have the right for this and that just because they can - I cannot see the sense or the right to walk about town with a machete in your hand without a legitimate purpose - Justify why they are carrying it if stopped by Police - if it is valid fine - if not - confiscate it - fine them. But this is a topic for another thread.
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Would taking it home from the hardware store be considered valid? How about the yard maintenance guy walking to his job? To be stopped by the police for packing a tool could be considered harassment.
We get your point but I think it would be unworkable unless it could be made as a city bylaw. For sure if I was walking down the road to my neighbour's house with a machete and a cop stopped me to ask what I was doing with it I would tell him it was none of his business.
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Would taking it home from the hardware store be considered valid? How about the yard maintenance guy walking to his job? To be stopped by the police for packing a tool could be considered harassment.
We get your point but I think it would be unworkable unless it could be made as a city bylaw. For sure if I was walking down the road to my neighbour's house with a machete and a cop stopped me to ask what I was doing with it I would tell him it was none of his business.
I agree but abiut 2 years ago the Police were stopping teens -confiscating knives, swithblades etc - Neraly 40 % were carring one or the other - So do we have a problem - Yes, clearly we do. Can it be addressed - Clearly we can. Would it be simple - No it would not.
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Does anyone think the teens today are tougher? From my observations they fight less. Lots of guys my generation carried hunting knives in their boots out of simple nervousness against bullies. I carried nanchukas. And it was classified as a rather nice little prairie town in those days.
I can't believe I'm about to say this given the hyper-objective mind I got from all my province's education, but I wonder what would happen to Vancouver's gang problem if the cops dealt with east Asian and south Asian gangs the way they used to deal with our kind when we were teens... I'm just curious.
Not just two years ago pal. A town I lived in on the prairies during some teen years would have the air-alarm go off at dusk announcing curfew, after which the cops could stop any kids and confiscate anything they wanted which looked like it could be a problem.
Does anyone think the teens today are tougher? From my observations they fight less. Lots of guys my generation carried hunting knives in their boots out of simple nervousness against bullies. I carried nanchukas. And it was classified as a rather nice little prairie town in those days.
I can't believe I'm about to say this given the hyper-objective mind I got from all my province's education, but I wonder what would happen to Vancouver's gang problem if the cops dealt with east Asian and south Asian gangs the way they used to deal with our kind when we were teens... I'm just curious.
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Machetes are very useful tools for certain jobs which have occupied literary hundreds if not thousands of hours of my time (slashing survey lines through the Port Hardy salal), so a person could well be justified in carrying one. HOwever they do come with a sheath and the simple solution would be to legislate they are kept in their sheath when not in actual use. :smile:
Are they? Here are crime stats from the US showing murder weapons.
Murder Victims, by Weapons Used — Infoplease.com
It looks like in the USA guns win hands down at 68%. Of course none of those guns might be long guns.
In Canada knives win out as the main murder weapon in domestic violence, however, that may be due to the fact that fewer Canadians have access to firearms. Of course, the overall murder rate in Canada is lower than the US. That may be due to the fact that it is simply harder to kill someone with a knife than a gun or it may be that fewer Canadians attempt to kill one another.
Below is a reference to knife crimes in Canada.
Knives and violent crime in Canada, 2008
In reference to the proposed knife ban in Edmonton it was due to the fact that so many bar patrons were using knives on one another. Here is a link to the story.
CBC News - Edmonton - Mayor backs away from idea of total ban on knives
In general I find it rather difficult to get definitive numbers on a good deal of the gun and knife debate. For example how many criminals are killed using knives or other weapons compared to those killed using guns? You hear a lot about drive-by shootings, but it is hard to get numbers on knifings of criminals by criminals.
http://tunes.digitalock.com/gok.mp3 <-- weaponized teens against immigrants and cops tune
What's better... to say "Please forgive my Friday evening state of mind", or "I apologize for my Friday evening state of mind", or is it more logical to switch to American and say, "Piss off if you don't like it"? (Notice how my grammar, punctuation and spelling is correct.)
This is sensitive to explain, but... Vancouver south and east Asian gangs who used to make a policy of raving and ranting about how they could make a weapon out of anything switched to illegal American handguns after some issues with, uh, homegrown Hells Angels...
ANYWAY!... let's not talk about that... let's talk about the will and spirit of Scottish; the dominant non-French speaking whites in Canada: http://tunes.digitalock.com/comeyeallfrefrance.mp3 <-- click to play Geordie (Scottish Celtic-cousin) tune
What's better... to say "Please forgive my Friday evening state of mind", or "I apologize for my Friday evening state of mind", or is it more logical to switch to American and say, "Piss off if you don't like it"? (Notice how my grammar, punctuation and spelling is correct.)
This is sensitive to explain, but... Vancouver south and east Asian gangs who used to make a policy of raving and ranting about how they could make a weapon out of anything switched to illegal American handguns after some issues with, uh, homegrown Hells Angels...
ANYWAY!... let's not talk about that... let's talk about the will and spirit of Scottish; the dominant non-French speaking whites in Canada: http://tunes.digitalock.com/comeyeallfrefrance.mp3 <-- click to play Geordie (Scottish Celtic-cousin) tune
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