Live in french in Montréal

[Johnnny]

I'm not your Google bitch.... I will say lots - including whole schoolboards.

Dumb as a trolling pole

I know right. You and I might as well be from new Brunswick because we actually live in a bilingual community. I gave him examples I know you can verify and expand on but he refuses to accept those facts because it counters his arguments.

I'm still laughing at the fact that he thinks hospitals should conduct business in one language.

Like laughing. A separate hospital for French and a separate hospital for English. Lolololololol what kind of train of thought is being produced in Quebec?

I'm not waiting for his big reply I gotta work in the morning.

 

[Queb]

secondary school Quebec 180 Ontario 105
primary school Quebec 181 Ontario 350
cegep Quebec 5 Ontario n/a
universities Quebec 3 Ontario 3
Hospitals Quebec 20 Ontario 1

 

[taxslave]

Canada needs Quebec. Where the hell else would Haitian refugees go?

Toronto. Then again since no one can understand them either they might as well go to Quebec.

 

[Danbones]

WE have all french schools here
The all french high school had to return a whole year to its first graduating class because they screwed them up so bad that they had to repeat their final year in order to make post secondary entrance qualifications

Fortunately it was largely free for most of the students because they put the all french high school in the bilingual town so the town would pay for what the all french communities outside of it are using for free.

 

[Machjo]

Couldn't ... or wouldn't? Call one a name that isn't their own if you'd care to expand on that experimentation.

In Quebec City, definitely couldn't, they were kind and did try.

Montreal, mixed bag. Their English was somewhat better and more people knew, and again mostly accommodating, though I had caught one speaking to someone else in English and when I'd approached her spoke only French. I then switched to French and said nothing.

I tried the experiment in reverse in Montreal too. Most English spoke French well and willingly did so. Some did not know French, but like most of the French, I think they genuinely did not know the other language.

In the end I chose French as my default language in Montreal sinse always trying to guess what language a person knew got on my nerves and more people knew French than English, but I happily switched to English if addressed in English.

And Queb, we can't compare Québec and Ontario so easily school for school, university for university, hospital for hospital. In Quebec, the English-speaking community is geographically concentrated. In Ontario, much of the French-speaking community is dispersed. As a result, in Ontario, wherever you build the hospital or university, many will still be far from it.

In Quebec, as long as you build on the island of Montreal, most of Quebec's Anglos are all there.

 

[Queb]

secondary school Quebec 180 Ontario 105
primary school Quebec 181 Ontario 350
cegep Quebec 5 Ontario n/a
universities Quebec 3 Ontario 0
Hospitals Quebec 20 Ontario 1

oops I did a mistake. It's 0 french university in Ontario

 

[taxslave]

oops I did a mistake. It's 0 french university in Ontario

And your point? If you want to go to a French university go to France.

 

[Machjo]

And your point? If you want to go to a French university go to France.

Wy France when you only need to go to Quebec.

oops I did a mistake. It's 0 french university in Ontario

Again, the geo-demographic reality is totally different. Even if Ontario built a French-speaking universtity, most Franco-Ontarians would live very far form it geographically and so would probably choose to attend an English-language university closer to home. For example, an English speaker residing in Quebec City might choose to just attend Laval for its geographical proximity. It would not be worth building an English university in Laval.

With regards to French Ontario, the French speakers are scattered across the province. Sure there are concentrations here and there, but not necessarily enough to warrant their own university especially when Quebec is right next door and those concentrations usually hug the provincial boundary line.

Again, over 40% of Ontario's French-speakers are exogamous, usually to English and sometimes to other languages. As a result, many Franco-Ontarians identify with more than just French. They identify as Franco-English or Franco-Chinese, etc.

Only a little over half of Franco-Ontarians are endogamous! Again, the realities of the two provinces are completely diffeent and so cannot be reasonably compared in simple terms like the number of schools or the number of hospitals, etc. It's just overly simplistic.

Then there is also the ideological factor. Since so many Franco-Ontarians are exogamous and so don't identify so exclusively as French, they therefore don't see French rights in the same way. Sure, maybe a little over half of Franco-Ontarians (the endogamous ones) might be French-language militants. As for the exogamous ones though, though they might sympathise, they won't feel so militant and might even become more militant in favour of language rights for their other parent's language community, be it indigenous or otherwise.

This can lead to some becoming more militant in favour of language rights more generally rather than French language rights more exclusively, as is the case with me.

For example, I actually oppose the City of Ottawa becoming officially bilingual in favour of its providing more services in a sign language or services in the local indigenous language where possible. French is a major world language and so does not need so much help.

 

[Queb]

And your point? If you want to go to a French university go to France.

so.... you will go to england if you want to go at university ?

 

[taxslave]

so.... you will go to england if you want to go at university ?

No I live in an English speaking country.

 

[Machjo]

No I live in an English speaking country.

And most of Québec and parts of border régions outside of Québec are very much a French speaking country.

 

[taxslave]

And most of Québec and parts of border régions outside of Québec are very much a French speaking country.

QUebec is not a country. It is just one province in an English speaking country.

 

[Machjo]

QUebec is not a country. It is just one province in an English speaking country.

Really? Then how do you explain that when I was in central Québec, the locals couldn't speak French to save their lives.

I've never been to Nunavut, but from what I've heard, some communities there can't speak English either.

 

[gerryh]

Really? Then how do you explain that when I was in central Québec, the locals couldn't speak French to save their lives.

I've never been to Nunavut, but from what I've heard, some communities there can't speak English either.

And what does any of that have to do with tax salve stating that Quebec is just one province in an English speaking country? It is just one province. It is not a "nation", it is a fu cking province, and the only reason it is that , is because the damn Brits were too nice for their own good after kicking France's a$$.

 

[Queb]

No I live in an English speaking country.

I live in a french speaking country

And what does any of that have to do with tax salve stating that Quebec is just one province in an English speaking country? It is just one province. It is not a "nation", it is a fu cking province, and the only reason it is that , is because the damn Brits were too nice for their own good after kicking France's a$$.

The canadian federation is not more speaking english than french.

Quebec is a nation, yes.

And, Brits was afraid that we allied with Americans. Afraid, not nice ;-)

 

[taxslave]

I live in a french speaking country



The canadian federation is not more speaking english than french.

Quebec is a nation, yes.

And, Brits was afraid that we allied with Americans. Afraid, not nice ;-)

If Quebec is a nation why do you use our money and all our government services? If we wanted to sponsor a third world country we would find one with decent weather.

 

[s_lone]

No it isn't.... French is the language they speak in Paris. The versions spoken here vary from community to community, from family to family, or from one fence post to the next. It certainly isn't the French spoken in Saigon or Algeria ... but every one of them is the only "right" one

That is just not true Lone Wolf. You've always come up with this argument in these discussions yet you're always wrong. You're confusing slang and local dialects with standardized language.

US Americans speak English. So do Australians and the Irish. But local slangs and ways of speaking it vary greatly.

The Québecois speak French. It's as simple as that.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

That is just not true Lone Wolf. You've always come up with this argument in these discussions yet you're always wrong. You're confusing slang and local dialects with standardized language.

US Americans speak English. So do Australians and the Irish. But local slangs and ways of speaking it vary greatly.

You've clearly never been to west Clare.

The Québecois speak French. It's as simple as that.

The Parisians snicker.

 

[Queb]

If Quebec is a nation why do you use our money and all our government services? If we wanted to sponsor a third world country we would find one with decent weather.

The canadian have been founded by 2 Nations.... so, canadians money and federal government belong to both Nations.

 

[DaSleeper]