Limbaugh's message to 'feminazis'
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Yes, captain morgan, keep connecting the dots and eventually you will see my point. The point I am trying to make follows from exactly what you are now saying: that she will be the one paying for the pills (her premiums won't go up in fact, but that is irrelevant, so let us say that they will go up). Therefore she will be the one paying for her own sex, if one insists on looking at paying for birth control pills in that way.
And what do we call someone who pays for their own birth control? I don't know, a person? Definitiely not a prostitute. To insinuate that she is a prostitute in this case is clearly a tell of sexism.
It isn't about restricting religious freedoms. It may place a mental burden on some religious stakeholders which may be unconstitutional, but it certainly does not interfere with their free exercise of their own religion. The enforceability of contracts is not a right after all, but a civil privilege extended to the population by the government so long as the contracts are not deemed unconscionable.
The issue in this case is that the government of the USA has decided that a contract for health insurance is unconscionable when it does not contain provisions for birth control, and some people are arguing that such unconscionability can be waived due to the religious beliefs of some people.
Don't hold your breath. Facts just get in the way of the religiously challenged here.
One of those FACTS is Georgetown is a Catholic/Jesuit university - where birth control is frowned upon. Perhaps if there wasn't some shyte disturbing going on and the medicine was called medicine instead of contraceptive, there wouldn't be an issue.
http://www.georgetown.edu/about/index.html
Really, the pope decreed that they must force their students to pay for insurance? The university can avoid this whole problem by stopping the enforcement of the policy. Besides, the dogma between the university and the Vatican has nothing to do with the contract between the students and the insurance provider, except that in this case the university is trying to impose its own conditions on the private contract between the insurance provider and the student.
The University is third party in all of this, and the pope is a distant fourth.
Say what you will about policy and decrees.... each individual was blessed with a brain and given the responsibility to make choices for themselves, to live their lives in a way that is true to them. If the school is supplying health care, it should leave it at that, and not try to nitpick about what the individual decides to do with that health care. The room for interference with personal freedoms is too great. If it is that concerned that people are going to make choices with their health care that fly in the face of papal decrees, it should not be providing health care.
More baseless accusations. You said contraception isn't as cheaply or easily available to women, as it is to men.
That is patently false. It most certainly is.
You would make a good con man, if you weren't so blatantly wrong, most of the time.
They Do Not have to undergo an exam to purchase condoms, or female condoms.
It's as simple as that.
Speaking of redherrings. You should be famous for them.
Nice cop out. I'm not the one using fallacy, lying, or making unsupportable accusations.
That's all you.
I knew you were religiously challenged. You admitting it, is good to see. Now work on it.
For all those that have implied that one does not really have a choice in health plans when attending George town, this from their site.
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Letter to Students Waiving the 2011-2012 Premier Plan
Dear Student:
You may waive the Premier Plan offered by the University during the Open Enrollment Period, if you have other adequate health insurance which meets the following criteria:
The Premium Rate including administrative fees, Terms of Coverage dates, and applicable Open Enrollment Period dates are below. Eligible students are mandated and charged the student rate for the applicable Term of Coverage, as indicated below. Students who submit an approved waiver during the applicable Open Enrollment Period will have the entire student rate refunded on their Student Account.
Fall 2011-2012 Plan Year:
Term of Coverage: 8/15/2011 – 8/14/2012
Open Enrollment Period: 2nd week in July - September 15, 2011
Term of Coverage: 1/1/2012 – 8/14/2012
Open Enrollment Period: 2nd week in December 2011 – January 31, 2012
Your other coverage must remain in effect through the earlier of:
NOTHING about contraceptives not allowed in a private insurance package.
It would also do well for those that feel that Georgetown should be treated as a non sectarian University, to go to the University web site and read through exactly what is expected of a student that applies to and is accepted by the University and how close the University is to the local Arch Diocese.
Regardless of how anyone, myself included, feels about Catholic Church doctrine, having the Government step in on this is the thin edge of the wedge. Changes to Church Doctrine are done through the Church, NOT the government.
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Letter to Students Waiving the 2011-2012 Premier Plan
Dear Student:
You may waive the Premier Plan offered by the University during the Open Enrollment Period, if you have other adequate health insurance which meets the following criteria:
- Coverage of at least $100,000 per illness and $100,000 per injury;
- Plan in effect no later than the last day or your applicable Open Enrollment Period; and,
- Plan will remain in effect for the remainder of your academic year.
The Premium Rate including administrative fees, Terms of Coverage dates, and applicable Open Enrollment Period dates are below. Eligible students are mandated and charged the student rate for the applicable Term of Coverage, as indicated below. Students who submit an approved waiver during the applicable Open Enrollment Period will have the entire student rate refunded on their Student Account.
Fall 2011-2012 Plan Year:
Term of Coverage: 8/15/2011 – 8/14/2012
Open Enrollment Period: 2nd week in July - September 15, 2011
- $1,895 per student
- $5,516 per student and spouse
- $5,516 per student and child(ren)
- $8,680 per student and family
Term of Coverage: 1/1/2012 – 8/14/2012
Open Enrollment Period: 2nd week in December 2011 – January 31, 2012
- $1,209 per student
- $3,454 per student and spouse
- $3,454per student and child(ren)
- $5,417 per student and family
Your other coverage must remain in effect through the earlier of:
- The end of the Academic Year; or
- Your graduation date.
- Indicates that the coverage will remain in effect for the entire academic year, beginning no later than September 15, 2011;
- Indicates coverage for inpatient and outpatient treatment;
- Separately itemizes coverage of at least $100,000 per illness and $100,000 per injury;
- Clearly differentiates the required medical coverage from optional accidental death and dismemberment coverage;
- Indicates coverage for non-emergent care in the D.C. area;
- Indicates worldwide coverage or coverage in the United States; and
- Specifically states coverage amounts in U.S. dollars."
NOTHING about contraceptives not allowed in a private insurance package.
It would also do well for those that feel that Georgetown should be treated as a non sectarian University, to go to the University web site and read through exactly what is expected of a student that applies to and is accepted by the University and how close the University is to the local Arch Diocese.
Regardless of how anyone, myself included, feels about Catholic Church doctrine, having the Government step in on this is the thin edge of the wedge. Changes to Church Doctrine are done through the Church, NOT the government.
It isn't a out? I'm not sure what you mean, but as far as religious freedom is concerned, from the start I've maintained that the US government can and does produce laws which lawfully limit religious freedom. The US Supreme Court allows laws which limit the practice of various religions provided the law passes certain requirements.
The precedent was set a long time ago. The US government makes all kinds of laws that require hospitals, insurance providers, etc. to offer certain services. For instance, a hospital can't refuse to provide care to anyone requiring emergency care, regardless of citizenship, ability to pay, or legal status. The US government doesn't fund that particular mandate either.
The law doesn't require the Church to change it's doctrine. They can still believe whatever they want.
Coulter. lol There's another one that's good for a laugh. She's right up there with Pelosi except on the other side of the fence.
Maybe you shouldn't snip most of my posts in order to give the false illusion that you "PWNed" me. Aside from the fact that it doesn't fool anybody except those of lesser intellect, it really does make you look dishonest. While I don't personally feel you are dishonest, if you were, I would take full responsibility for it given your admitted disadvantaged position and my status as a Canadian.
Move to Alberta. It's covered here....but that's only because of our socialist provincial government.
A fool once said, "The ideologues are all like that, they spew their propaganda and ignore everything else." I'm thinking he must have been talking to himself.
What you mean is good point, wait a sec while I move the goal posts....LOL...you're as bad as Das.
Cap's "problem" (as with all the other misogynists on this thread) is that the young **** wants to have sex. That is what bothers them so much.
I don't think it would make much difference in his case.
I'm not a scientist. I don't know what your job title is, but I'd bet money that your posts here aren't purely an extension of the role profile for your employment.
Irrelevant distraction. Or, red herring.
Everybody has an agenda, to suggest otherwise would mean that you are an unthoughtful and unthinking automaton. Is that what you are? I work for a pharmaceutical corporation. There is no union where I work, nor do I want one. Do you have anything useful to add to the conversation, or are you just here to make noise?
Anyways, back on the actual topic, after the consultation process, which was ongoing when this whole ridiculous mess with Limbaugh began, preventative care will still be mandated. A church can object on religious grounds, as the bill was going to allow in the first place. And now institutions like Georgetown University will not be required to offer contraceptive services for all women, nor will they have to fund the additional cost to the insurance plan. The insurance companies will be required to pay for it.
I wonder what is left to bitch and moan about now from the people who disagreed with the mandate?
Why do you care about posts people make about the US?
I'm now going to demand that you offer some kind of proof that I don't like America.
Take a long walk off a short peer troll.
No, it's you saying so what to a significant number. If the health exception exists and isn't being implemented properly, then that's not a so what statement. I wonder if you would say the same thing about other prescriptions not being fulfilled?
Well you've repeatedly referred to points she made in her testimony. I'm doing likewise. If you have better numbers, then post them.
That's your issue. You don't care to much about poisoning the well though. You'd rather start from a demonizing position.
Well, I'll let you be the one who can't see the forest for the trees. Obsess over the word if you like, her testimony was clearly about woman's health. The pill is called a contraceptive pill. What euphemism would you prefer she choose? :roll:
According to you, but then according to you my car insurance should not be costing me less with time. According to you my Sun Life insurance should be going up in price too. Some people get wiser with age. What's your excuse?
I didn't snip anything. Point out how I snipped your posts to give this false illusion you now claim.
While you're at it, maybe you could show where I admitted that.
Although I have no doubt, we'll all see you do everything and anything but. I blame your admitted stupidity.
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
It is.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
No it isn't...
And unfortunately for you, birth control is as easily and cheaply available to women as it is to men.
What was actually posted was...
Apology accepted.
I know you won't publicly apologize for your dishonest and disrespectful behavior so PM me again if you wish to. I know how difficult it is for an egotistical blowhard such as your self to admit your failures. I do accept my role in that though. I am above all else, a Canadian and take full responsibility for your admitted situation.
Oh, you mean where you moved the goalposts, to look right.Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearIt is.Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
No it isn't...And unfortunately for you, birth control is as easily and cheaply available to women as it is to men.
What was actually posted was...
Apology accepted.
I know you won't publicly apologize for your dishonest and disrespectful behavior so PM me again if you wish to. I know how difficult it is for an egotistical blowhard such as your self to admit your failures. I do accept my role in that though. I am above all else, a Canadian and take full responsibility for your admitted situation.
Ya, I often have to weed the useless shyte out of you fallacy filled posts. It's not as if I corrupted your post, like you do.
The point is, whether you use fallacy or not is, conception is available to women, as cheaply and easily as it is to men.
You just got ...
Again!
And you missed the proving your claims, that I've admitted to being disadvantaged.
I predicted all of this, as usual.
No, I mean where you snipped my post. Trying to shift the focus onto somebody else in a feeble attempt to divert attention away from yourself never works you know. You really need to man up and accept what your admitted disadvantaged position is doing to you. It is the only way you can help yourself (I know, I know...helping yourself isn't something you are big on but hey...that's what I'm here for)