Ya really believe that the NDP and Liberals stand a chance of getting into bed together after the 'personal misconduct' situation that has unraveled with the Libs?
Liberals now pulling away from Cons into majority territory
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Ya really believe that the NDP and Liberals stand a chance of getting into bed together after the 'personal misconduct' situation that has unraveled with the Libs?
honest? Pre-election, both parties advise of no coalition aspirations... that's the honesty you state is... missing??? Post election results could change that and in order to form government both parties might reach a contracted arrangement between each other... fully allowed within Westminister Parliamentary procedure.
you speak of honesty! Was it honesty Harper Conservatives showed when, under the mere possibility of a post-election coalition, they rallied to a cross-country campaign declaring the possibility as a, "stealing of the election... of a stealing of Canadian's votes"... is that the kind of honesty you favour?
They had won more votes than any other party. The Libs, NDP, had included the BQ in a deal.....the BQ are sworn to destroy Canada.
Even though they knew that a coalition was in the works, they lied to the voting public.
Prorogation is also allowed in our system, and commonly used, but the progressives soon forgot that!
Oh.....and Harper was vindicated by the collapse of the coalition in the face of polls showing 60% plus support for the Conservatives, and by his majority win in 2011.
standard Colpy bullShyte! The BQ was only included under strict control as to what they would be allowed to do... to which the BQ agreed. Of course, this was the big Harper Conservative boogeyman play. You seem to forget the times when your boy Harper entertained the BQ when it was to his advantage/liking/favour, right Colpy? The BQ was a legitimate Canadian party with democratically elected MPs... why are you denying democracy Colpy? Of course, as a regional only focused party, Quebeckers leveraged that very point to (presumably) realize better direct representation... your/Harper Conservatives boogeyman play was shown as the trumped up wedge play it was, by the lack of any real sovereignty desire by Quebeckers.
The illustrious (if not drunken) John A.?
A statement like that says more about you than him. His pile is a molehill compared to yours!
He's not denying democracy. See, he's all pro-democracy when the Conservatives win. He's pro-government procedure when it justifies Conservative actions.
So....you are a Liberal/NDP insider?? Because they were very careful to make sure nobody knew the details of the agreement to secure BQ support.
And you have the gall to accuse me of BS.
lol
Not at all. I disliked it when the Libs/NDP did it, and I disliked it when Harper thought about doing it. In both cases, it bordered on sedition.
I happened to catch a bit of a show last night... I think it was at this hour has 22 minutes special. It showed what a publicity ***** he was before he became Prime Minister. He would actually phone up and ask if you could be on the show. It was pretty funny to see the cops escort the 22 minutes reporter out of the press conference because Stevie didn't want to get embarrassed
I am not denying democracy.
The BQ had every right to take their seats (as long as they swore loyalty to Her Majesty).
They did not have a right to take part in gov't.......some moron (NDP/Lib or Conservative) had to invite them to do that.
yes! You're full of it - big time. The BQ was never to be an actual part of the coalition... cabinet was to consist of 24 MPs and the PM; principal ministers were to be Liberal (eg. Finance); the NDP could appoint 6 cabinet ministers from its caucus... Dion was to lead the coalition government. The only thing the BQ committed to was to support the coalition... and even in that it was only for a set 18 month period. Duceppe maintained he accepted this arrangement to support the coalition strictly on the basis of the economy affecting Quebec and a belief the coalition would improve on what Harper Conservatives had done/could do.
sedition? Nonsense. Harper was equally justified in his consideration of a coalition with the NDP/BQ. As I said, Harper Conservatives had no problem with their coalition consideration (that included the BQ) but screamed "coup d'etat", "stealing democracy", "stealing the election", "stealing Canadians votes", etc., in response to the potential Lib/NDP/BQ coalition. Harper Conservative hypocrites!
your separation boogeyman has no legs!
sorry Simpleton! No graph was warranted in the post you drove by!
yup... caught that as well! Harper was sure the media-w-h-o-r-e in trying to get elected. It's a shame even the most limited engagement today is so tightly controlled by the PMO short-pants crew! What are they afraid of? Well, other than Harper returning to his past foot-in-mouth type episodes...
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Bull****.
The BQ was promised things to secure their support.
And neither you, nor I, have any idea what they were. The rumour at the time was the coalition would download more powers to the Quebec gov't.
If you believe the BQ signed on because of an innate love of the federalist NDP and Liberals, then you are not playing with a full deck.
No wonder you're a Justin supporter and a GW alarmist.
You don't know any better.
You really don't read English very well, do you?
I'm a Conservative.
I had BIG problems with Harper planning a coalition that included the Bloc.
So did a lot of other Conservatives.
Perhaps you could refrain from telling me what Conservatives think.....well, at least until you grow up and become one.
Yeah, that's what Chretien thought in 1995.
you sure are quick to call bullshyte in the face of your self-acknowledgment that you "have no idea"!!! :mrgreen:
Duceppe is on record as to why he provided a commitment to support the coalition:
Accord 'in the best interests of Quebec': Duceppe
The Bloc would not officially be a part of the coalition, but the new government's survival would depend on its support.
Duceppe said his party entered into an agreement that is "in the best interests of Quebec, of Quebecers during this time of economic difficulties."
"We chose for the time being to give priority to the economic situation and to the assistance we must provide to people," he said.
He added he did not agree to support the coalition beyond the 2011 date because the various parties could not agree on "concrete action to recognize the Quebec nation."
Duceppe said his party entered into an agreement that is "in the best interests of Quebec, of Quebecers during this time of economic difficulties."
"We chose for the time being to give priority to the economic situation and to the assistance we must provide to people," he said.
He added he did not agree to support the coalition beyond the 2011 date because the various parties could not agree on "concrete action to recognize the Quebec nation."
You really don't read English very well, do you?
I'm a Conservative.
I had BIG problems with Harper planning a coalition that included the Bloc.
So did a lot of other Conservatives.
Perhaps you could refrain from telling me what Conservatives think.....well, at least until you grow up and become one.
I appreciate you think you speak for all Conservatives 8O... but here's the thing: when I draw reference to Conservative hypocrites wailing on about the 2008 coalition, while giving a pass to the exact same thing they themselves considered supporting in 2004, please... please... feel free to exclude yourself from that mix!
This is the difference between Colpy and some of the progressive fanatics in this forum.
When he's wrong on a point, he'll readily admit to it .....while the progressives do a sidestep, deflect etc. without even reluctantly admitting anything......
When he's wrong on a point, he'll readily admit to it .....while the progressives do a sidestep, deflect etc. without even reluctantly admitting anything......
You need help. Or maybe you should finish school before you attempt to join in adult conversations.
Once again, you fail at reading comprehension. You're really not all that bright, are you?
He actually said nothing, just that he would support the coalition.
And you think that means he didn't hold out for lots of goodies, or that he didn't get them.
Right.
And again: I did not pretend to speak for all Conservatives, I did not even claim to speak for the majority of Conservatives. I said "...a lot of other Conservatives", which does not indicate all Conservatives, nor does it indicate even a majority of Conservatives.
You know, these discussions would be so much easier if you took the time to learn the English language.....if you are capable.