Liberals now pulling away from Cons into majority territory
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Maybe two or three, they don't seem to realize their remarks say more about them than the person they are addressing! -
In the case of of the commonality between members here you should realize nothing is ever adequately discussed for those of us that deem most statements are out of context, or slants the meaning, in favor of the particular argument and always fails to make the initial point.Maybe two or three, they don't seem to realize their remarks say more about them than the person they are addressing! -
You follow the same route as most here in regards to not breaking away from the piecemeal ramblings and getting any real perspective of substance. Performing conjecture in the place of any major attempt to outline an idea is your norm
Prostitutes income is supposed to be declared and taxed already. Prostitution is not illegal in Canada.
Last I heard living off the avails of prostitution is a crime, yet the Gov't seems to thrive on it! -
- -So you think Gov't. should replace the pimps!
In Canada our current Government is gearing up for some hard core refer madness styled propaganda, In the hopes to scare voters away from the pot friendly liberal party.
In a pamphlet sent to constituents earlier this year, Veterans Affairs Minister Julian Fantino alleged that Mr. Trudeau wants to “make buying marijuana a normal, everyday activity for young Canadians” and even charged that the Liberal leader wants to allow the sale of pot in corner stores.
In fact, Mr. Trudeau has suggested the government regulate and tax the sale of marijuana, similar to provincially regulated beer and liquor sales, and says this will help keep the drug away from children.
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Conservative government asks Canadian doctors to endorse taxpayer-funded ad campaign against marijuana | National Post
I saw that but I'm guessing the writer may have 'smoked one' before he geared up ...........
Justin Trudeau's pot plan: Are Conservatives blowing smoke?
THE FACTS
First, let's look at what Trudeau has said about legalizing marijuana.
Last summer, he came out in favour of legalization of the drug.
Previously, he'd supported decriminalization, but had reservations about making marijuana legal, a policy his party had adopted a year earlier.
"I did a lot of listening, a lot of reading and a lot of paying attention to the very serious studies that have come out, and I realized that going the road of legalization is actually a responsible thing to look at and to do," Trudeau said last July.
Added the Liberal leader: "Marijuana is not a health food supplement. It's not great for you, but it's certainly — as many studies have shown — not worse for you than cigarettes or alcohol."
Last November, Trudeau was again asked about marijuana while campaigning for the local Liberal byelection candidate in Manitoba.
A journalist covering the event tweeted that Trudeau was asked if he would legalize marijuana and he said he would — but he also said the drug was bad for children and it's safer for the government to control access to it.
Now, let's look at what the Conservatives are saying.
For the record, Fantino is not the only Conservative MP to send a flyer to constituents claiming the Liberal leader is promoting marijuana to children.
In June, Vancouver MP Wai Young sent around a virtually identical flyer showing a boy about to light a joint next to the words "The Liberal agenda: sell pot in local stores."
Like Fantino's, Wai's flyer claims Trudeau has "visited schools to tell kids that pot should be legal."
Similar flyers have also been sent out by Saskatchewan MP Kelly Block, Alberta MP Rob Anders and New Brunswick MP John Williamson.
In fact, Trudeau has made the argument that legalizing, regulating and taxing the drug would help keep it out of the hands of children and starve organized crime of its lucrative marijuana trade.
WHAT THEY SAY
The Canadian Press contacted both Fantino and Trudeau's offices about the flyer.
Since the flyer refers to multiple "schools," Fantino's office was asked about other schools where Trudeau has spoken about marijuana.
In an emailed response, spokeswoman Ashlee Smith did not identify other schools, nor did she provide evidence to substantiate the claim that Trudeau has spoken to students about the "benefits of marijuana" — as opposed to stating his position.
In a follow-up phone call, Smith did not provide the name of any other schools or a specific example of Trudeau speaking to students about the benefits of marijuana.
Her statement says Trudeau has "completely disregarded the health and safety of Canadians by continuing to ignore the consequences of marijuana use, particularly where children and teenagers are concerned."
"We have seen several instances of this, including when he spoke at a school to children and teenagers about the legalization of marijuana, highly inappropriate and completely lacking in judgment which is par for the course with Justin Trudeau," she wrote.
The Liberals call the flyers a Conservative "distortion."
"Their charge is based on a distortion of a visit Mr. Trudeau made to Brandon during the recent byelection, when he spoke to an audience of high school students and adults at the Sioux Valley First Nation school," spokesman Cameron Ahmad said in an email.
"He responded to a question from the audience about legalization of marijuana, and iterated our position after explaining the dangers of drug use."
Ahmad said Trudeau has only ever spoken to two elementary schools since becoming Liberal leader: the one in Manitoba and one in Dryden, Ont., during a Skype chat this past March.
Trudeau did not discuss marijuana during the Dryden school Skype chat, Ahmad added.
Nelson Wiseman, a political science professor at the University of Toronto, said these sorts of accusations only work if they contain an element of truth.
"Had Trudeau not said anything about marijuana — had he said that he was against its legalization — and then had this come out, the Conservatives would have been pilloried from top to bottom," Wiseman said.
"But now they can say, 'No, no, no. These are the implications of what he's saying."'
THE VERDICT
Trudeau has said the Liberals would legalize marijuana if they form the next government.
He has also said that the drug is no worse than cigarettes or alcohol.
And he has admitted to smoking pot one time since becoming an MP in 2008.
But the Liberal leader has also acknowledged the drug's harmful effects and has said legalization would make it more difficult — not easier — for children to get their hands on marijuana.
At the Manitoba school, Trudeau spoke about legalization.
There is no evidence that he spoke about the "benefits of marijuana," as Fantino's flyer claims.
Nor is there any evidence that Trudeau has ever spoken about marijuana at any other school, counter to the flyer's claim that he "visited schools to tell kids that pot should be legal."
It would be accurate to say Trudeau visited a single school and, in response to a question about marijuana, said he favours legalization and controlling the drug.
Whether legalizing the drug would make it more accessible to minors is another question.
Trudeau argues the current approach is not working and kids are still finding ways to get marijuana.
He has not said his first order of business is to make the drug more accessible to minors, or that he wants to make buying it a normal, everyday activity for young Canadians.
For these reasons, the claims in Fantino's flyer contain "a lot of baloney."
Are Conservatives blowing smoke about Trudeau's pot plan? by TheCanadianPress
METHODOLOGY
The Baloney Meter is a project of The Canadian Press that examines the level of accuracy in statements made by politicians. Each claim is researched and assigned a rating based on the following scale:
No baloney — the statement is completely accurate
Justin Trudeau's pot plan: Are Conservatives blowing smoke? - Politics - CBC News
THE FACTS
First, let's look at what Trudeau has said about legalizing marijuana.
Last summer, he came out in favour of legalization of the drug.
Previously, he'd supported decriminalization, but had reservations about making marijuana legal, a policy his party had adopted a year earlier.
"I did a lot of listening, a lot of reading and a lot of paying attention to the very serious studies that have come out, and I realized that going the road of legalization is actually a responsible thing to look at and to do," Trudeau said last July.
Added the Liberal leader: "Marijuana is not a health food supplement. It's not great for you, but it's certainly — as many studies have shown — not worse for you than cigarettes or alcohol."
Last November, Trudeau was again asked about marijuana while campaigning for the local Liberal byelection candidate in Manitoba.
A journalist covering the event tweeted that Trudeau was asked if he would legalize marijuana and he said he would — but he also said the drug was bad for children and it's safer for the government to control access to it.
Now, let's look at what the Conservatives are saying.
For the record, Fantino is not the only Conservative MP to send a flyer to constituents claiming the Liberal leader is promoting marijuana to children.
In June, Vancouver MP Wai Young sent around a virtually identical flyer showing a boy about to light a joint next to the words "The Liberal agenda: sell pot in local stores."
Like Fantino's, Wai's flyer claims Trudeau has "visited schools to tell kids that pot should be legal."
Similar flyers have also been sent out by Saskatchewan MP Kelly Block, Alberta MP Rob Anders and New Brunswick MP John Williamson.
In fact, Trudeau has made the argument that legalizing, regulating and taxing the drug would help keep it out of the hands of children and starve organized crime of its lucrative marijuana trade.
WHAT THEY SAY
The Canadian Press contacted both Fantino and Trudeau's offices about the flyer.
Since the flyer refers to multiple "schools," Fantino's office was asked about other schools where Trudeau has spoken about marijuana.
In an emailed response, spokeswoman Ashlee Smith did not identify other schools, nor did she provide evidence to substantiate the claim that Trudeau has spoken to students about the "benefits of marijuana" — as opposed to stating his position.
In a follow-up phone call, Smith did not provide the name of any other schools or a specific example of Trudeau speaking to students about the benefits of marijuana.
Her statement says Trudeau has "completely disregarded the health and safety of Canadians by continuing to ignore the consequences of marijuana use, particularly where children and teenagers are concerned."
"We have seen several instances of this, including when he spoke at a school to children and teenagers about the legalization of marijuana, highly inappropriate and completely lacking in judgment which is par for the course with Justin Trudeau," she wrote.
The Liberals call the flyers a Conservative "distortion."
"Their charge is based on a distortion of a visit Mr. Trudeau made to Brandon during the recent byelection, when he spoke to an audience of high school students and adults at the Sioux Valley First Nation school," spokesman Cameron Ahmad said in an email.
"He responded to a question from the audience about legalization of marijuana, and iterated our position after explaining the dangers of drug use."
Ahmad said Trudeau has only ever spoken to two elementary schools since becoming Liberal leader: the one in Manitoba and one in Dryden, Ont., during a Skype chat this past March.
Trudeau did not discuss marijuana during the Dryden school Skype chat, Ahmad added.
Nelson Wiseman, a political science professor at the University of Toronto, said these sorts of accusations only work if they contain an element of truth.
"Had Trudeau not said anything about marijuana — had he said that he was against its legalization — and then had this come out, the Conservatives would have been pilloried from top to bottom," Wiseman said.
"But now they can say, 'No, no, no. These are the implications of what he's saying."'
THE VERDICT
Trudeau has said the Liberals would legalize marijuana if they form the next government.
He has also said that the drug is no worse than cigarettes or alcohol.
And he has admitted to smoking pot one time since becoming an MP in 2008.
But the Liberal leader has also acknowledged the drug's harmful effects and has said legalization would make it more difficult — not easier — for children to get their hands on marijuana.
At the Manitoba school, Trudeau spoke about legalization.
There is no evidence that he spoke about the "benefits of marijuana," as Fantino's flyer claims.
Nor is there any evidence that Trudeau has ever spoken about marijuana at any other school, counter to the flyer's claim that he "visited schools to tell kids that pot should be legal."
It would be accurate to say Trudeau visited a single school and, in response to a question about marijuana, said he favours legalization and controlling the drug.
Whether legalizing the drug would make it more accessible to minors is another question.
Trudeau argues the current approach is not working and kids are still finding ways to get marijuana.
He has not said his first order of business is to make the drug more accessible to minors, or that he wants to make buying it a normal, everyday activity for young Canadians.
For these reasons, the claims in Fantino's flyer contain "a lot of baloney."
Are Conservatives blowing smoke about Trudeau's pot plan? by TheCanadianPress
METHODOLOGY
The Baloney Meter is a project of The Canadian Press that examines the level of accuracy in statements made by politicians. Each claim is researched and assigned a rating based on the following scale:
No baloney — the statement is completely accurate
Justin Trudeau's pot plan: Are Conservatives blowing smoke? - Politics - CBC News
Canada hasn't had a conservative government or party for more than thirty years. AS a matter of fact Canada is a one party nation.
Pretty much! CROOKS -
There are so many important issues to be dealt with politically, that one has to wonder about the amount of time and effort being spent on marijuana. I would put it at about 50th in importance of issues to be dealt with. That in itself is an indication of the mentality of the man! -
Must depend on where you live. On the wet coast it isn't unusual to find 3 generations sharing a joint.
Pretty much! CROOKS -
There are so many important issues to be dealt with politically, that one has to wonder about the amount of time and effort being spent on marijuana. I would put it at about 50th in importance of issues to be dealt with. That in itself is an indication of the mentality of the man! -
Well, the COnservatives are actually the ones making a huge deal of it. And the Emerys. Neither of which have anything to do with the Liberals.
I guess I haven't been paying close attention lately as I wasn't aware Harper was making a big deal about marijuana. Didn't Jr. recently make it clear that once he's the man, marijuana would be legalized. I'm guessing that for 90% of the population we're probably tired of the subject and don't really give a sh*t one way or the other if it's legalized or not. While I have to admit it does have medicinal qualities I would guess the majority of the population would do better NOT using it.
Trudeau did indeed make that clear. But the response by the Conservatives has been rather hysterical, with attack ads and attack pamphets and attack speeches on the issue. Reminiscent of Reefer Madness. I'm sure it ap[peals to their base, but the problem for teh Conservatvies is that their base is getting more loyal, but also more small. Much like gay rights, the rest of the population has moved on with pot.
The Emerys are wanting to jump on board with the Liberals because of their legalization position and because Marc Emery wants to exact revenge on Harper. Fortunately the Liberals are distancing themselves from the Emerys.
Myself, I support legalization of pot, just because I believe that people should be able to make their own decisions about these things.
As far as I'm concerned Emery is a Loser with a capital "L". It's not up to Marc Emery or anyone else not a citizen of the U.S. to be breaking another countries laws. If he doesn't like their laws no one is forcing him to live there. I honestly believe anyone who supports him is a little low in the I.Q. department.
I'm not too impressed by the arrogant attitude of the current government, especially with their desire to criminalize prostitution - I'm a conservative at heart, and I believe in the right to choose.
It appears that too many of the marijuana advocates want marijuana to become a trendy garden herb that anyone can produce and sell at the local farmers market.
I see value in controlling and regulating it in a similar manner to alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceuticals.
I see value in controlling and regulating it in a similar manner to alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceuticals.