Liberals now pulling away from Cons into majority territory

Zipperfish

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How much to stop subsidizing the deadbeats and lazy leaches?

Some countries have no taxes. You don't have to subsidize anyone. Why don't you try one of those, and let us know how it works out!

I've been to a few. The "taxes" end up being demands from local warlords. You don't get anything for the protection money you pay except their continued permission for you to exist.

I assume you are referring to entitlement programs--welfare, employment insurance and old age pension. Old fogies suck up the most (about 14 cents on every dollar), EI is six cents on every dollar and wefare and other social programs is 4 cents on every dollar.
 

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It's not a matter of the percentage of pay going to tax, in my opinion. It's matter of what you want the government to do. For instance, if you wanted the government to privatize education, you might be able to knock off a few percent. Get rid of medicare--maybe 10%. Get rid of a standing army--maybe 3%. Welfare, care for the elderly, employment insurance, payiong off debt, yadda yadda yadda.

That's where the discussion needs to be.


That's true.........................up to a point. No two people are going to agree on what services the Gov't should deliver. I'd rather see lots of services, but very, very few delivered by Gov't. Education for sure is best delivered by the private sector. I'd buy health insurance coverage. Government may be able to handle things like regional libraries.

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I would say that the conservatives are doing pretty good.....non?


Well, that's right...............as a man Harper is an A$$hole but as a politician he's no more corrupt than the rest of them. Anyone who thinks the entire portfolio should be turned over to Jr. needs his/her head examined.
 

Zipperfish

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Education for sure is best delivered by the private sector. I'd buy health insurance coverage. Government may be able to handle things like regional libraries.

Really? I can't think of a single country that has privatized education.
 

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if I pull my vote from the conservatives, I won't be voting for pierre with hair. he is too young and a bit too naïve and reckless. We are talking about a guy that tried to appeal to the gun crowd by admitting that he's played with the RCMP's handguns when he was young.
 

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It's not a matter of the percentage of pay going to tax, in my opinion. It's matter of what you want the government to do. For instance, if you wanted the government to privatize education, you might be able to knock off a few percent. Get rid of medicare--maybe 10%. Get rid of a standing army--maybe 3%. Welfare, care for the elderly, employment insurance, payiong off debt, yadda yadda yadda.

That's where the discussion needs to be.

Healthcare and education make up far in excess of 50% of any province's operating budget... You might want to check your numbers on things

All five of them.

hehehe.... Keep telling yourself that.

Funny though, Justine is the only politician that I can recall in a Western democracy that has been stupid enough to pick a side on this issue... Guess he's just smarter than anyone else on that, eh?

All the same, I look forward to him beating that drum in the months to come.. Regardless of what you or I think, the upside is that Justine is driving away folks unnecessarily, be that 5 voters or 5 million.
 

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Poll suggests Tories have leadership issues: Hébert | Toronto Star


MONTREAL—Summer is often a sunnier season than most for a ruling federal party. With Parliament shut down the opposition has to scramble to find alternative venues to rain on the government’s parade.

That has been truer than usual this year. The 2014 federal summer to date has featured an overabundance of international turbulences and a relative drought of major domestic controversies.

Since the lights went off in the House of Commons in June voters have seen and heard a lot of Stephen Harper but almost always in relation to some major international development.

If there is one setting that usually shows prime ministers to their advantage it is the international stage. And at this juncture in his tenure Harper has clearly come to relish that part of his role.

But if Conservative strategists were counting on a Harper summer spent in the foreign policy limelight to restore their party’s shine in voting intentions, they have to be dismayed by the mid-summer polls.

The Liberals remain in the lead and the latest polls suggest the gap in their favour has been widening.

The most recent poll to be released, done by EKOS last month, pegs the Conservatives in the mid-20s, in a statistical tie with the NDP and 13 points behind the Liberals.

Like its competitors, this pollster put the Conservatives well behind the Liberals in Ontario and Atlantic Canada, distant also-rans in Quebec and leading only in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Some 2,620 respondents were polled.

Buried in the EKOS analysis — possibly because it is a provocative notion at this juncture — is the tentative proposition that, at this rate, the Conservatives could have a fight on their hands just to hang on to official Opposition in the next election.

With a year to go until the campaign, a more topical question is what ails the Conservatives to the point that more and more voters are starting to take their 2015 demise for granted?

The fine print of the EKOS poll offers a few clues, especially coming as it does at a time when the prime minister has so consistently been in the news on his own terms.

It suggests that Conservative analysts are not wrong to think some of their troubles are leadership-related. But it looks like they are pointing the finger at the wrong leader.


If one is to believe government spin-doctors, the ongoing Liberal recovery is a passing fad, based on the political equivalent of fool’s gold, i.e., Justin Trudeau’s status as a celebrity and its purported fatal attraction on the media.

Some NDP strategists subscribe to the same theory.

But the fact is that NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair routinely scores as high or higher in the best prime minister category.

In the EKOS poll he beat Trudeau 54 per cent to 49 per cent.

Harper, by comparison, scores poorly outside the cohort of core Conservative supporters.

Even as he more than holds his own against Trudeau in the leadership category, Mulcair is so far failing to translate the positive impression he makes on many non-NDP voters into support. And that may be because a plurality of Canadians is shopping for a different, more collegial leadership style and not the more fundamental policy shift they often associate with the New Democrats.

Take the issues that have dominated the summer news. They include a war in the Mideast, a high-stakes showdown between the Ukraine and Russia, the near-completion of a major trade agreement between Canada and the European Union, and the omnipresent pipeline debate.

On all of the above, the advent of a Liberal government would result in little more than variations on the policy directions of the Conservatives. And while the Trudeau Liberals would be more proactive on fronts that the Conservatives are content to ignore, like that of social policy, the most striking differences between the two are found in the policy margins.

But if leadership style rather than core substance is the issue, the Conservative brain trust has a problem on its hands — for the more it puts a take-no-prisoners Harper in the face of voters, the less they see in him the consensual leader that they increasingly seem to crave.

Chantal Hébert is a national affairs writer. Her column appears Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.
 

El Barto

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Maybe not when you examine the rest of the G20!
No just on it's own. Sometimes you have to stop looking what is done elsewhere

Besides I hate these threads ... they are just set up for some other bozo to say I told you so i told you so
 

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Just heard today that about 40% of our income is going to taxes.............THAT is a little beyond the pale! I can live with 15%.
Seems you can live with more than 15 per cent. Maybe that's what you prefer. Hell, I can live with a 25% raise too.
 

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This will be fuel for the NDP's fire in launching many attack ads featuring JT when the election is called.

I suspect that it won't be pretty

Seems you can live with more than 15 per cent. Maybe that's what you prefer. Hell, I can live with a 25% raise too.

That's a very unique perspective on the issue and highly telling of the general tax environment we currently have in place
 

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Seems you can live with more than 15 per cent. Maybe that's what you prefer. Hell, I can live with a 25% raise too.



Taxes....ah the bane of Canadians.


I always think about taxes when I get free healthcare, free education for my kids, subsidised post secondary education for my kids, parks, free roads, cheap child care, military, fire fighters, police, paramedics, social services for the poor, RCMP, research and development, infrastructure, transit, search and rescue so on and so forth.
 

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I would say that the conservatives are doing pretty good.....non?
Sort of. In 01 we were still paying off the Mulroney debts under the
Libs, we got caught up and GST was dropped from 7% to 5%. Keeping us from revisiting Mulroney type debt is where the kudos should be directed not taxes. Low debt keeps taxes at bay.
 

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Seems you can live with more than 15 per cent. Maybe that's what you prefer. Hell, I can live with a 25% raise too.


What choice do I have? -:)

Only because you get a seniors discount. More like 50% for the rest of us. More for some.


They reported 40+ on the news a day or so ago.

Fully, I mean. No public education. That's what you were saying, isn't it? I don't know that would work.


Well, I know of several people who are paying extra money for their kids to go to private school and they are convinced they are getting a better deal for their money. I have never been in a position where I can have an opinion on it myself, but with the crap that's been going on lately I'm slowly getting one.
 

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I bet if everyone all played by the rules and payed taxes how they where supposed too, we'd balance the budget.

And we would have never had a deficit in the first place

But no. Greedy conservatives don't want to pay

They like the services though