Liberals fiscal update: Billions more in deficits this year and next

taxslave

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Income tax cut will cost $2.6 billion more than reported and top earners could benefit the most: PBO
BY THE CANADIAN PRESS
ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: JAN 29, 2020
The tax break, which took effect Jan. 1 and is to be phased in over four years, increases the amount someone can earn before...
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OTTAWA — Some of the country’s highest earners could end up getting more benefit from the Liberals’ new income-tax cut than those at the lower end of the income scale, the federal spending watchdog says.
A report Tuesday from the parliamentary budget office says Canadians making between about $160,000 and $227,500 will, on average, save about $257 a year in taxes once the tax cut is fully implemented in 2023.
That’s more than the $211 the PBO expects to be saved by those making around $51,000.
AS it should be since the rich pay way more than their fair share of taxes.
 

taxslave

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This is Canada's federal debt to GDP
Look how it grows
And is totally irrelevant. WHat matters is the total debt which is growing in leaps and bounds.
 

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He pathetically bleats, hoping no one notices that he gave Groper's deficits a free pass whilst whining about some foreign country's deficits.
I gave no one a free pass.


I merely pointed out the federal debt has undergone no big changes under Trudeau other than to come down a bit
 

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I gave no one a free pass.


I merely pointed out the federal debt has undergone no big changes under Trudeau other than to come down a bit
No, you said "Buy stock in those companies and be a winner instead of a whiner". As if that excuses Groper handing millions to billion dollar companies while running massive deficits.
 

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I gave no one a free pass.
I merely pointed out the federal debt has undergone no big changes under Trudeau other than to come down a bit
The debt has gone up significantly. Your graph, while cute is not an indicator of total debt. It actually does not show anythng relevant to the debt at all.
 

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The debt (anyway) will only increase because Trudeau is giving benefits to people who don't deserve them and any politician that wants to decrease said benefits will be ostracized big time because they simply cannot take away that which has been given! It's incredible that anyone would think otherwise. People expect their benefits and scream blue hell if they're cut back.


Rather than rely on themselves they rely on government so nothing will ever get fixed because politicians rely on those same people for votes. More benefits means more money that's printed which results in whatever savings a person has (if any) means nothing because its value has decreased and inflation has just eaten everything up. Venezuela comes to mind.....


We may not pay right this very minute but we will later and if not us, then our kids who will (rightly) be quite pissed at us.
 

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The debt has gone up significantly. Your graph, while cute is not an indicator of total debt. It actually does not show anythng relevant to the debt at all.
Federal debts are only discussed in terms of %GDP
 

Hoid

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The debt (anyway) will only increase because Trudeau is giving benefits to people who don't deserve them and any politician that wants to decrease said benefits will be ostracized big time because they simply cannot take away that which has been given! It's incredible that anyone would think otherwise. People expect their benefits and scream blue hell if they're cut back.
Rather than rely on themselves they rely on government so nothing will ever get fixed because politicians rely on those same people for votes. More benefits means more money that's printed which results in whatever savings a person has (if any) means nothing because its value has decreased and inflation has just eaten everything up. Venezuela comes to mind.....
We may not pay right this very minute but we will later and if not us, then our kids who will (rightly) be quite pissed at us.
Here is who is getting the government benefits
 

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Only by those trying to obfuscate the facts. It is this kind of lunatic thinking that has put so many people in serious debt.The rest of us use real numbers.
You always need to include yourself in a group don't you?

Learn to stand on your own two feet.

Absolute dollar totals are meaningless - government debts are discussed in %GDP because that gives the debt level
context
 

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You always need to include yourself in a group don't you?
Learn to stand on your own two feet.
Absolute dollar totals are meaningless - government debts are discussed in %GDP because that gives the debt level
context
Wrong again. That gives no context at all. Real numbers are sonmething people can relate to even if the numbers are too high for most of them to fully grasp. Your fiscal mentality is that of someone that borrows money on one credit card to pay the minimum payment on another card and think they have money to left over by doing this. You must be a trust fund kid to do that badly at economic reality.
 

Hoid

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Wrong again. That gives no context at all. Real numbers are sonmething people can relate to even if the numbers are too high for most of them to fully grasp. Your fiscal mentality is that of someone that borrows money on one credit card to pay the minimum payment on another card and think they have money to left over by doing this. You must be a trust fund kid to do that badly at economic reality.
If the population of Canada is larger doesn't the federal debt have to increase in order to take care of those extra people?

Yes.

Therefore the debt total must increase every year.

That is why saying "the debt is rising "is meaningless
 

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LIE-berals ARE LYING ABOUT the scale and scope of the debt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In SUPPORT OF THAT LIE - they are PLAYING STUPID GAMES WITH HOW TO DEFINE DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We have only to look at the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF IOU`s that LIE-berals handed out


to an assortment of civil service union HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Those promises total as much as ONE TRILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The total includes OVER THREE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS PROMISED TO FEDERAL UNION HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But NEITHER HOGS NOR LIE-berals have discussed how much IS REALLY OWED - since their last report IN 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And the DISPUTED DEBTtotal of $1 trillion dollars - includes about FIFTY FIVE BILLION DOLLARS in promises - and that includes



ACCRUED INTEREST TO OSSTF - our Ontari-owe high school teachers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With that in mind is it any wonder that Ford govt is having difficulty reaching a deal with teacher HOGS??????????????


If Ontari-owe teachers win this battle it will cost us OVER SEVEN BILLION DOLLARS IN JUST TWO YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With FURTHER DEMANDS COMING FROM BOTH OTHER UNIONS AND FROM HOGS LIKE OSSTF IN YEARS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals OFFERED these IOU`s without ADMITTING IT DURING ELECTION TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If LIE-berals had admitted they were making such promises - then the election results WOULD BE MUCH DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Those LIE-beral promises constitute an IMMENSE CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And for LEGITIMATE REASONS FORD GOVT WILL NOT HONOUR those insane LIE-beral promises!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ford govt CANNOT HONOUR the LIE-beral promises without bankrupting the province!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ford govt was elected to prevent Ontari-owe from going bankrupt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals were thrown out of office because of their INDIFFERENCE TO CRIPPLING DEBTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The Ford govt is engaged in a BATTLE FOR OUR FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ford fights against GREED AND CORRUPTION AND SHAMELESS BACK ROOM DEALS that are SO SLIMY....................


that neither LIE-berals nor their media whore allies will speak of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NO LIE-beral has spoken of the pension IOU`s since 2012 - at which time we were warned that NINETY SEVEN PERCENT


OF ALL DEFINED BENEFIT PLANS were in SERIOUS FISCAL ARREARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Which translates into CANNOT PAY WHAT HAS BEEN PROMISED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Wynne-bag LIE-berals relentlessly price gouged Ontri-owe on electricity costs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And in the process LIE-berals slammed shut the books and REFUSE to let us see the totals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals and HOGS think it is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS how much gravy is being brought in to HOG Investors .............


by all that mouldy green electricity price gouging!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



HOG unions also REFUSE to discuss their pension situation candidly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thus any so called facts related to the "debt clock" ARE OPEN TO SERIOUS DISPUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the election of so many Conservative minded premiers suggest the general public AINT HAPPY about those SLIMY SECRET



DEALS - and given an HONEST CHOICE - most Cdns would tell HOGS to take it up with LIE-berals ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Should Conservatives be forced to HONOUR PROMISES made to HOGS BY LIE-berals in a shameless conflict of interest that they



have been HIDING FOR NEARLY TWO DECADES????????????????


Should Conservatives be forced to honour LIE-beral promises that HURT Conservatives?????????????????



My answer is NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!