Liberal phobia and the cause….
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Hydrophobia is a colloquialism for rabies. It is simply the irrational fear of water which is a symptom of rabies and is more properly called aquaphobia.
Anyway, I don't have a fear of any party, just a deep seated disgust for them; the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party especially and the NDP are close behind.
The ironic part Gil, is they are much more similar than a lot of people realize- do what's necessary to stay in power & if the members hold on power is in doubt jump parties.
If all the parties didn't have all their own sheeple following them and voting for them till the day they die, we might just have better representation in ottawa.
It's when you have so many districts that will vote the farmer's cow in parliament if it under the right banner colour that you have such bad government. My own district finally quit voting Liberal at the last election for the first time in something like 50 years or more.
It's when you have so many districts that will vote the farmer's cow in parliament if it under the right banner colour that you have such bad government. My own district finally quit voting Liberal at the last election for the first time in something like 50 years or more.
When it comes to the two mainstream parties, what the previous government did very much determines what the present government does. This true throughout the world, but particularly so in the US.
The present Conservative cabinet is pretty bad (verging on governmental incompetence) but the general policy direction is almost identical to that of the Liberal party before it (under both Chretien and later under Martin). Same thing in the US; Bush's policies, both domestic and foreign were virtually indistinguishable from those of the previous Clinton administration and it's the same with the present government. There's a slight ideological difference but the rest is mainly image.
The NDP produces proportionally far less shyte than the opposition--how much it stinks is irrelevant (if you go by the stink the opposition makes at the slightest NDP blunder, you'd think NDP shyte could be smelt from Mars).
Case in point:
The ONDP under Rae was hardly a great government (in no small part because of Rae himself) but they did manage to get rid of much of the debt created by the previous Liberal government while keeping large parts of the private sector afloat and keeping many social programs intact. For all the NDP's faults, that was an example of reasonably sound fiscal management.
The Ontario Liberals have no such record and the Conservatives under Harris with their "common sense" basically brought the fragile province just emerging from the recession and still dealing with what remained of the Liberal-created debt to its knees. The present Liberal government has pretty much kept the privatization focus following the Conservatives' lead, as did the pre-NDP Liberal government.
Numbers don't lie; the Ontario NDP showed reasonably good fiscal management and governmental responsibility in an economic crisis. Just because the two mainstream parties and their supporters in the private sector have systematically scapegoated that party and many Ontarians have bought it, doesn't change the facts.
Implying the NDP is the same as the Liberals/Conservatives is to ignore the party's track record (and their completely different roots).
To be clear: this isn't a case of "Liberal phobia," it's a phobia of wealthy private interests in our society having massive political clout through the two mainstream parties (one of which is the Liberal party) and of comments that belittle political alternatives to that.
:laughing9: Funniest CanCon post of 2010 hands down.
Really? You should talk, you come across to me as a loyal Conservative supporter. Indeed, there are many conservatives here who would vote Conservative no matter what. Only they are ashamed to admit it.
Now me, I am not ashamed to admit that I do end up voting Liberal. I vote for the policies, for the issues, rather than for personalities. To me, Liberal policies make sense, Conservative policies (especially borrow and spend) are out to lunch.
Not always. The previous Liberal government had healthy surpluses. The current Conservative government has never ran a surplus. The most it has had is a balanced budget, with very little surplus.
In this respect, there was a marked shift towards borrow and spend economics as soon as Harper came to office.
Now here I agree with you. except for that horrible tax cut Harper enacted as soon as he came to office (he borrowed a page from Bush here), there is really mot much difference between the two parties as far as economics is is concerned.
The budget that Harper has proposed so far could easily have been proposed by the Liberal Party with some modifications. This is very much a centre right government, not much different from the Liberal government, which was centre left.
The problem of course is, is Harper centre right, or does he belong to the far right? I think he belongs to the far right, he is governing from the centre purely because he doesn't have a majority.
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I think this rhetoric about Liberal vs. Conservative has reached the point of ridiculousness. As far as the parties' philosophy and performance is concerned it's pretty much a dead heat. The people have to make up their minds what they want done, if big Gov't. is what's wanted then (under the present system) borrowing is a fact of life. If we want to get away from borrow, then we start paying for our own services or take out our own insurance to cover emergencies. User fees for first doctors appointment for a condition would be a start in the right direction. If Gov't is to pay for every service then there's two clear choices, borrow or tax- what's your choice.
The money Mr. Harper has saved me over the past 3 years (about $6000) has been put to very good use- investing in real estate and buying goods. Had Mr. Harper have kept the money it would likely have gone to topping up the trough, with 306 snouts in it.
Although it is true that both federal parties Liberal and Conservative may be parking their hats in the center with regards to general policy, when it comes to giving the voter a good bang for their vote, the 2004 election amongst the Canadian public there was a Liberal Phobia in the air and the number of Liberal seats was down as a result of that Phobia.
One thing is clear as we know, voters at times allow emotion to guide them thus forgetting logic and history.
The reality between the two federal parties Liberals and Conservatives is that 69 years of Government over 20 years, we see who is the Journeyman mathematician and who is the Apprentice Mathematician.
The apprentice in this case are the Conservatives, their dismal books speak volumes and truly confirm that one can do the math and the other can not...
One thing is clear as we know, voters at times allow emotion to guide them thus forgetting logic and history.
The reality between the two federal parties Liberals and Conservatives is that 69 years of Government over 20 years, we see who is the Journeyman mathematician and who is the Apprentice Mathematician.
The apprentice in this case are the Conservatives, their dismal books speak volumes and truly confirm that one can do the math and the other can not...
As I pointed it out to another poster here, where do you think Harper got that money? Why, he borrowed it from you children and your grandchildren (more than 1000 $ each) and gave part of it to you. Your kids and grandkids will have to repay it.
Now, if you think that is sound economic management, that is up to you. In my opinion, it is having a party on the credit card. That is what we warn juveniles against, don't get in way above your head in credit card debt. But with such a stellar example of borrow and spend in Ottawa, can any parent really lecture his kids about the harmful effects of profligate borrowing?
One thing is clear the Harper Conservartive are nither wise or schooled.
How is it clear the alternatives are any better?
Voters always vote based upon emotion, rarely upon logic. They are always vulnerable to demagoguery by a skilled politician.
Witness the fact that the gave Mulroney a second term (and regretted it almost immediately), or that they gave Bush a second term.
Wow, man ... You just sold me.
I'm one of those undecided voters. Sell me on your magic. Where's your sales pitch?
Grass roots can't even add....
LW 4 years of blanders and bad math should clearly show the wrong pack is at the helm.