Let's call a tax a tax!

[Tecumsehsbones]

From the Gloom&Wail no less. Must be true then.
One good thing is it will guarantee trudOWE will not serve more than one term as PM.Probably close the door on anyone from Quebec ever having a shot at the job.That at least is the upside to this ta scam. The downside is an economic crash and hardship for hundreds of thousands outside the trust fund-government paycheque circle jerk.

You could be right. But isn't nice to know that in your next election, you won't have to beat through a fog of lies, crap, and promises with no plan (and probably no intention) for fulfilling them? Seems to me Trudeaubama, like I said, is doing exactly what he said he'd do, and the choice in the next election will be crystal clear.

 

[pgs]

Considering the Liberals have a 50% hold in the polls right now and Trudeau's approval rating keeps going up, and Canadians actually want a federal carbon pricing mechanism, it is a lofty claim that he will lose the next election.

But hey, if you want to continue to be salty and let him win another one, then just keep on keepin on.

I'm sure there will be some terrorist act in the future that you guys are desperately hoping for in order to gain some political capital.

When seniors and single mothers start to see their grocery bill going up they will quickly start to appose this new tax . Once it hits the stomach views have a way of changing .

 

[Cannuck]

The deniers are triggered.

Deniers? I don't deny agw. Calling me a denier is just throwing out labels when you are unable to effectively argue your position.

How is Notley's letter coming?

 

[mentalfloss]

When seniors and single mothers start to see their grocery bill going up they will quickly start to appose this new tax . Once it hits the stomach views have a way of changing .

They would be blaming their provincial leaders for implementing it poorly, not the feds.

Well, unless you're talking about Alberta who already hates Trudeau (so no loss of votes there) or Saskatchewan, which has the same proportion of voters as Skeeversville, Illinois.

And yes, I'm well aware that there's probably no such thing as Skeeversville, Illinois, but in all honesty, there's a higher likelihood that it does actually exist than Trudeau losing the election over this policy.

 

[pgs]

They would be blaming their provincial leaders for implementing it poorly, not the feds.

Well, unless you're talking about Alberta who already hates Trudeau (so no loss of votes there) or Saskatchewan, which has the same proportion of voters as Skeeversville, Illinois.

And yes, I'm well aware that there's probably no such thing as Skeeversville, Illinois, but there's a higher likelihood that it does actually exist, than Trudeau losing the election over this policy.

What election ? The liberals haven't changed the rules yet .

 

[mentalfloss]

Trudeau will not lose the next election over a carbon price.

He's had a 1 year honeymoon lol

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

This just shows the continued plummet of the NDP and their failed party and policies. It's very easy to support some blowhard hype until they realize that THEY will have to pay for it. Libtards always like taxes somebody else pays.

 

[mentalfloss]

No, it was actually Harper getting them down in Quebec during the election that began the strategic vote for Liberals into widespread support.

The NDP and Liberals were almost interchangeable to most voters and were deadlocked in support.

Once Mulcair became the most vocal against Harper's ridiculous niqab ban, he actually lost some support because the xenophobes in Quebec started to fall for Harper's desperate identity politics.

The rest of Canada rightly recognised this meant they would need to strategically vote for the Liberals and Trudeau capitalised on this by making campaign proposals based on economic stimulus, climate change and otherwise typically NDP initiatives.

That sent his support through the roof at the NDP's expense.


In other words:

He was ready, and he brought his pants.

 

[petros]

There is no fund in place for the proposed carbon tax in which it is re-invested into environmental projects, in fact, it is exactly like the sin tax of cigarettes or alcohol. They think they will get you to burn less carbon.

Nobody burns carbon. You simply can't burn carbon.

It should called a hydrocarbon tax but we know hydro is green.

Spinning a web of lies this big requires altering languages.

 

[Corduroy]

Who's up for dressing as polar bears and dumping carbon in Boston Harbor?

 

[EagleSmack]

Mighty white of them to make commitments for future governments.So what are the penalties for missing the targets? No icecream ?

It is all non-binding and as long as the UN gets a cash flow they could care less what happens to the climate.

 

[tay]

This may be all about Justin looking good to the UN. He may also believe that it is the correct way to go but there are many questions unanswered.

Since I asked the following in one of the many other threads on this topic I am seeking out an answer.

Anybody here from BC who has paid attention? So has it turned out to be revenue neutral in BC? If yes, what other taxes or costs went down?

Trudeau needs to clear the air. He needs to get up to the blackboard and show us his math.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...er-cent-canadian-economy.html?highlight=price


The following which is well done and simplified shows us that everything we use will cost more. Again I ask, are Income Taxes or the GST/PST/HST rate going to come down to offset these taxes? I haven't heard of the yet.......


http://www.science20.com/science_motherhood/i_wanna_go_green…_so_show_me_math-2490


The most detailed article I could find is from The World Bank

Pricing Carbon


British Columbia

2008 The carbon tax applies to the purchase or use of fuels within the province. The carbon tax is revenue neutral; all funds generated by the tax are returned to citizens through reductions in other taxes.

CAD30 per tCO2e

http://www.worldbank.org/content/dam/Worldbank/document/SDN/background-note_carbon-tax.pdf

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Trudeau has made no claim to be revenue neutral. Even Stephan Dion's plan from 3 elections ago was claiming to be revenue neutral.

 

[Angstrom]

Can we have a tax on Mp's revenu based on how much they raise the tax to stimulate lowering of the taxes?

We need a tax to stimulate accountability

 

[mentalfloss]

Trudeau has made no claim to be revenue neutral. Even Stephan Dion's plan from 3 elections ago was claiming to be revenue neutral.

Yes, he has said it will be revenue neutral.

 

[Angstrom]

Yes, he has said it will be revenue neutral.

Let's tax corruption while we're at it. Stimulate accountability.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Yes, he has said it will be revenue neutral.

Which taxes is he decreasing to accomplish this?

 

[Curious Cdn]

Let's call you a republican.

Now that is an odd notion. This is where I part ways with the Republicans: I believe that we are obliged, nay, COMMANDED to take care of those weaker, poorer than ourselves. This is not a large "L" Liberal notion, it is an old fashioned Christian one from beforetht belief system was debased by television preaching.


Your carbon tax will do no such thing. The poor and the Middle Class will bear the brunt of this new tax. Working people with pick-up trucks will pay times more tax than pauncy, rich Fops driving hybrids and Teslas. Old cars, second hand cars have a much greater carbon output than the shiny new ones with "Kompressor" carved on the back. They will whack them hard for the sin of emmiting more and the rich will dance ... again ...

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

If the GST (formerly touted as revenue neutral) had been applied solely to the debt, I dare say we would be a lot closer to in the black, but it wasn't. This is all just window dressing to get us to crank open our wallets. The fact that Kool-Aid drinkers line up for a cup full of this nonsense and then call anyone who questions the validity of the tax "a denier" just goes to show how utterly brainwashed they are.

But then again, some actually defend the Wynne government.

This isn't policy, it's a cash grab and Canadians should get a pair and kill it before it takes hold.

 

[Murphy]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ndd3YKEBxM

This tax...er, pricing....