"Let's Burn the Jew!!"

Cliffy

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How many Jews are actually Semitic? Less than 10%? Arabs are Semitic which would technically make Colpy, Blackhead and all the other Muslim haters anti-Semitic.
 

Colpy

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How many Jews are actually Semitic? Less than 10%? Arabs are Semitic which would technically make Colpy, Blackhead and all the other Muslim haters anti-Semitic.

Yep, which is why I try to avoid the term. I prefer "Jew-hater".

And I think hate laws are idiotic, a futile attempt at thought control....what he thought of her is irrelevant, what he did is important.

But it is equally wrong to find him innocent of hate.........
 

Cliffy

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Yep, which is why I try to avoid the term. I prefer "Jew-hater".

And I think hate laws are idiotic, a futile attempt at thought control....what he thought of her is irrelevant, what he did is important.

But it is equally wrong to find him innocent of hate.........
Setting his hair on fire would have been appropriate.
 

karrie

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But it is equally wrong to find him innocent of hate.........


Unless of course the therapist and judge are in agreement that he did what he did for attention from the class, not because he hated the girl, which is exactly how all of this sounds.... like whoever happened to cross his path in that moment was likely to end up the target.

Personally, what I find the absolute most appalling about this case is the lack of sentence coupled with the lack of mandatory counselling (unless I missed something when I read). Basically, the court has said 'he's so impulsive he'll set someone on fire to get attention'.... and left it at that. WTF? I find that much more concerning than the lack of a hate-crime label.
 

SLM

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Unless of course the therapist and judge are in agreement that he did what he did for attention from the class, not because he hated the girl, which is exactly how all of this sounds.... like whoever happened to cross his path in that moment was likely to end up the target.

Personally, what I find the absolute most appalling about this case is the lack of sentence coupled with the lack of mandatory counselling (unless I missed something when I read). Basically, the court has said 'he's so impulsive he'll set someone on fire to get attention'.... and left it at that. WTF? I find that much more concerning than the lack of a hate-crime label.

I agree. Why don't we just say that it's illegal. Let's call it, oh I don't know, assault, when you set someone's hair on fire and deal with that appropriately. What the hell, I mean, we have those court buildings just standing there anyway.
 

DaSleeper

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I agree. Why don't we just say that it's illegal. Let's call it, oh I don't know, assault, when you set someone's hair on fire and deal with that appropriately. What the hell, I mean, we have those court buildings just standing there anyway.
I have said something along those lines in the past....
If I should call someone a "Frigging queer" as I punch him in the face, why should I get a stiffer sentence if he actually is gay than if he's a strait guy?
They are both assault....
 

SLM

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I have said something along those lines in the past....
If I should call someone a "Frigging queer" as I punch him in the face, why should I get a stiffer sentence if he actually is gay than if he's a strait guy?
They are both assault....

They are both assault, I don't disagree with that at all. Now I do think, my own personal opinion, that there are some situations where groups or individuals in a minority group (race, creed, orientation, etc) are targeted because of hatred, ignorance and prejudice but I would much rather see that addressed as a "special circumstance" when it comes to sentencing. If it can be proven of course. But first you have to convict someone of assault, so that should be what they are charged with.
 

karrie

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I have said something along those lines in the past....
If I should call someone a "Frigging queer" as I punch him in the face, why should I get a stiffer sentence if he actually is gay than if he's a strait guy?
They are both assault....


That shouldn't be considered hate crime. Hate crime is when you go out to find a queer to punch in the face, or punch him only because he's gay. That's why they didn't find this to be a hate crime... he'd have targeted anyone in that class. eeny meeny miny mo, pick a victim by the toe.
 

damngrumpy

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There is a way to settle this, let us make it legal to hang anyone less than
eight feet tall. That way we would be more careful not to unessessarily
to ourselves.
Seriously this kind of action is part of the bully mentality and should have
been dealt with accordingly. Why is it everything ends up in court these
days.
As for Muslims some are a problem but then there is the folks at the
Westboro Baptist church that are just as crazy
 

DaSleeper

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That shouldn't be considered hate crime. Hate crime is when you go out to find a queer to punch in the face, or punch him only because he's gay. That's why they didn't find this to be a hate crime... he'd have targeted anyone in that class. eeny meeny miny mo, pick a victim by the toe.
Actually that was his lawyer's defence....and the judge went along with it...:rolleyes:
Let's compare those results with this little school decision... Six-year-old boy accused of sexual harassment and suspended from school for kissing girl on cheek | Mail Online
I sometimes think we live in a Bizarro World........
 

SLM

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There is a way to settle this, let us make it legal to hang anyone less than
eight feet tall. That way we would be more careful not to unessessarily
to ourselves.
Seriously this kind of action is part of the bully mentality and should have
been dealt with accordingly. Why is it everything ends up in court these
days.
As for Muslims some are a problem but then there is the folks at the
Westboro Baptist church that are just as crazy

It's idiots who are the problem. Idiots.
 

karrie

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Actually that was his lawyer's defence....and the judge went along with it...:rolleyes:
Let's compare those results with this little school decision... Six-year-old boy accused of sexual harassment and suspended from school for kissing girl on cheek | Mail Online
I sometimes think we live in a Bizarro World........



You can't compare a school 'justice' system with our actual legal system. One is not tied to, influenced by, or responsible for, the other.

And yes, it was the lawyer's defense. Things that get people found not guilty of charges, usually are.
 

DaSleeper

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Sometimes? You must sleep a lot. :p
As Much as I can.
 

Dixie Cup

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Of course its the girl's fault. No one accepts responsibility anymore because its ALWAYS someone else's fault don't 'cha know?

In Canada, the legal system seems to be set-up so that one is to blame for anything as there's always someone else to blame instead. Good grief - get with the picture guys!! I am getting so "ticked" at some of these decisions. Drove drunk and killed someone - oh I had a bad childhood and drinking was my way of coping; killed someone in a fight - oh, my family was disfunctional so I can't be held responsible; burn someone with a lighter? Oh, its their fault 'cuz they shouldn't have moved! Give me a freakin' break! Its all totally absurd.

JMHO
 

gerryh

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Of course its the girl's fault. No one accepts responsibility anymore because its ALWAYS someone else's fault don't 'cha know?


That was his Lawyers argument to try and mitigate the injury. The article didn't say the judge accepted the argument, but it was an argument that needed to be made by the defense. It is the defense lawyers job to do everything he can for his client. If he doesn't, then the risk is run that the accused could have an appeal avenue.
 

SLM

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You can't compare a school 'justice' system with our actual legal system. One is not tied to, influenced by, or responsible for, the other.

You might not be able to, nor should you really, compare them directly, but they should both be reflective of attitudes and values within society and the general way in which we view resolution to conflict. While an individual school's "justice system" should never carry the same weight as the justice meted out by the court system, there should be some kind of consistency that's reflected in what is deemed acceptable behaviour, at least to some degree.
 

eh1eh

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Anti-semitism sank to a new low in Canada after a Winnipeg judge ruled that grabbing a Jewish classmate, flicking a lighter to her hair and saying, "Let's burn the Jew," was not anti-Semitic. The incident took place between two fifteen-year-old classmates, where the defendant pleaded guilty to assault with a weapon. The lawyer for the defendant implied that it was the girl's fault that her hair caught fire -- because she pulled away. Then Manitoba Provincial Court Judge Robert Finlayson agreed with the defense that the action was one of teen impulsiveness.
The victim not only stated that the incident "changed her world upside down," but that she needed therapy to deal with her fears and felt that she was blamed by some people in the school for making too much out of the incident.
Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center in Canada expressed horror at Finlayson's ruling. In a press release, CEO Avi Benlolo stated that he could not imagine "the same decision would have been rendered had the perpetrator targeted any other minority group in a similar way."

"Let's Burn the Jew" is not Anti-Semitic? :: Gatestone Institute

But God help you if you burn a Koran!!

Setting someones hair on fire is a crime no matter why it was done.

It is not illegal, in a free country such a Canada, to burn a Koran or any other book.
So it is only because of irrational belief in 'god' that there is any problem with it. And this 'god' will not help anyone, I assure you.

Why do you support fighting antisemitism and not support all religions. Do you not believe in freedom. Only Jews get special treatment.