Latest Russian fighter/interceptor

AnnaG

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The4y look formidable, alright. But boy they ar4e uuuuuugggly. lol

Kinda like these things:
 

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Nope, nothing uglier than the Warthog till you need it to provide cover for you, then it is the most beautiful thing in the world.
 

#juan

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As i remember it they had intended to retire the A10 Warthog sometime in the early 90s but it proved so effective as a close order tank killer in the Gulf War they kept it on.

I've seen one at an Airshow and they are formidable.. loud, ugly, in your face. They are heavily armoured, can turn on a dime, and blast you with Gatling Guns from metres away. No fly by wire or advanced radar targeting acquisition here, you manhandle the plane to close-in proximity, and shoot what you see.

Their pilots love them, they're right down on the deck with the infantry.. they consider themselves the grunts of Air Force, and relish being in the antithesis of these Air Superiority Fighters that never get close enough to see their targets.

I don't think I ever had a desire to serve in a tank or, drive a tank, but if I did, watching an A-10 turn a tank into Swiss Cheese would certainly cure me. I'm not wild about the Expended Uranium ammo because of the health considerations but it is an effective tank killer.
 

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The4y look formidable, alright. But boy they ar4e uuuuuugggly. lol

Kinda like these things:

UGH! Ugly indeed but as a former infantryman I would hate to see one of these Russian/Soviet Hinds. Nasty indeed.
 

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#juan

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We are a fair country and have to give the world time to catch up. After all we do not want anyone complaining that we took unfair advantage of anyone.

I wouldn't be too uptight. The U.S. already spends almost as much on defense as the rest of the world combined. The new F-15E will give most of the performance of the F-22 at about a quarter of the cost. I read the other day that the British were looking at cutting the thrust vectoring from their version of the Eurofighter to save money. The aircraft in the topic header was largely a prototype. The thing is, that the F-15E is here already, waiting for orders. It sounds like everything else is under performance and over budget.
 
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Stinger's love to feed on them. :lol:
Really? The article I got that pic from said the MIL MI24 was basically a flying battleship with thick armor plating all over it. So you'd have to pop something sensitive like the rotors or something. They even have 2 engines.
 

#juan

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Really? The article I got that pic from said the MIL MI24 was basically a flying battleship with thick armor plating all over it. So you'd have to pop something sensitive like the rotors or something. They even have 2 engines.

It is a flying battleship, but that also makes it a big target and a helicopter can't carry a lot of armour because it is too heavy.
 

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Sky cranes ( a neighbor of ours in the OK valley flies them) can tote around 10 tons of payload. I am sure 10 tons of armament and armor would be quite a bit. I have no idea how much armor a Hind has but I bet it isn't tissue paper.
Anyway, anything that flies is vulnerable.
 

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Really? The article I got that pic from said the MIL MI24 was basically a flying battleship with thick armor plating all over it. So you'd have to pop something sensitive like the rotors or something. They even have 2 engines.


It is almost immune to rifle and small arms fire, but the Stinger is what defeated the Russians in Afghanistan.
 

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I wouldn't be too uptight. The U.S. already spends almost as much on defense as the rest of the world combined. The new F-15E will give most of the performance of the F-22 at about a quarter of the cost. I read the other day that the British were looking at cutting the thrust vectoring from their version of the Eurofighter to save money. The aircraft in the topic header was largely a prototype. The thing is, that the F-15E is here already, waiting for orders. It sounds like everything else is under performance and over budget.


It is just that were trading lives for money, and the worst part is that it is our lives. I am annoyed that when we have the technology, and we defer to cost again. A F-22 can out fly and out shoot any 6 aircraft in the world, the 7th has a chance of shooting down the F-22, probably won't though because of thrust vectoring. Those first 6 aircraft won't even know what happened. Why if we have a aircraft that is 1 or atleast 2 generations ahead of anyone else should we stop making it. The F-15E will be a great generation 4 aircraft, but will lack stealth and vectoring capabilities of the Raptor generation 5. The research and development has already been done, all we have to do is build them, the F-22 is here also.
 

#juan

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It is just that were trading lives for money, and the worst part is that it is our lives. I am annoyed that when we have the technology, and we defer to cost again.

$200 million for one F-22 against $40 odd million a copy for the F-15E. I'm not that sure it is that much better.


An F-22 can out fly and out shoot any 6 aircraft in the world, the 7th has a chance of shooting down the F-22, probably won't though because of thrust vectoring.

Slow down ironsides. Many fighters have multi-targeting, including the F-15, F-14, F-18, F-35, any of the new Russian fighters, the Eurofighters, etc.. If an enemy aircraft gets a lock-on on an F22, thrust vectoring is probably not going to help



Those first 6 aircraft won't even know what happened. Why if we have a aircraft that is 1 or atleast 2 generations ahead of anyone else should we stop making it. The F-15E will be a great generation 4 aircraft, but will lack stealth and vectoring capabilities of the Raptor generation 5. The research and development has already been done, all we have to do is build them, the F-22 is here also.


The F-15E will have some stealth capabilities. More could be added for a lot less than a hundred and sixty million bucks.
 

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It is just that were trading lives for money, and the worst part is that it is our lives. I am annoyed that when we have the technology, and we defer to cost again.

$200 million for one F-22 against $40 odd million a copy for the F-15E. I'm not that sure it is that much better.

An F-22 can out fly and out shoot any 6 aircraft in the world, the 7th has a chance of shooting down the F-22, probably won't though because of thrust vectoring.

Slow down ironsides. Many fighters have multi-targeting, including the F-15, F-14, F-18, F-35, any of the new Russian fighters, the Eurofighters, etc.. If an enemy aircraft gets a lock-on on an F22, thrust vectoring is probably not going to help



Those first 6 aircraft won't even know what happened. Why if we have a aircraft that is 1 or atleast 2 generations ahead of anyone else should we stop making it. The F-15E will be a great generation 4 aircraft, but will lack stealth and vectoring capabilities of the Raptor generation 5. The research and development has already been done, all we have to do is build them, the F-22 is here also.

The F-15E will have some stealth capabilities. More could be added for a lot less than a hundred and sixty million bucks.


Any aircraft that we will make available for export, cannot be our best. almost stealth means they can see you, the F-22 defines the meaning of stealth, it is invisible until it is to late. The big question is if a aircraft gets a lock on you, it won't until it is to late..

Here is a very good article that explains why the F-22 is the best fighter in the world at establishing air dominance over aircraft like the F-35, Euro Fighters, F-18, F-15, F-16 as well as the F-117.

F-22 excels at establishing air dominance

"The F-15SE will be available to international customers (unlike the F-22 which is currently limited to the USAF only). The F-15SE is still in the design phase; early testing of the internal weapons carriage including live weapons testing is planned for early 2010."

Boeing's New Stealth F-15

"Imagine this scenario, a squadron of 5 F-15 Eagles is heading straight into enemy territory for a strike. The enemy scrambles fighters to intercept them. A pair of stealth F-22 fighters fly ahead of the F-15s, and the enemy only sees the F-15s on their radars. The F-22s lock onto each incoming interceptor, and can fire missiles before the enemy ever knew what hit them. That is air superiority."

F22 Raptor | F-22 Raptor Stealth Fighter Jet | Best Performing Jet Fighter Hands Down
 

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Really? The article I got that pic from said the MIL MI24 was basically a flying battleship with thick armor plating all over it. So you'd have to pop something sensitive like the rotors or something. They even have 2 engines.

I assure you...if this thing gets hit by a stinger...it is going down.
 

#juan

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Any aircraft that we will make available for export, cannot be our best. almost stealth means they can see you, the F-22 defines the meaning of stealth, it is invisible until it is to late. The big question is if a aircraft gets a lock on you, it won't until it is to late..

Here is a very good article that explains why the F-22 is the best fighter in the world at establishing air dominance over aircraft like the F-35, Euro Fighters, F-18, F-15, F-16 as well as the F-117.

F-22 excels at establishing air dominance

"The F-15SE will be available to international customers (unlike the F-22 which is currently limited to the USAF only). The F-15SE is still in the design phase; early testing of the internal weapons carriage including live weapons testing is planned for early 2010."

Boeing's New Stealth F-15

"Imagine this scenario, a squadron of 5 F-15 Eagles is heading straight into enemy territory for a strike. The enemy scrambles fighters to intercept them. A pair of stealth F-22 fighters fly ahead of the F-15s, and the enemy only sees the F-15s on their radars. The F-22s lock onto each incoming interceptor, and can fire missiles before the enemy ever knew what hit them. That is air superiority."

F22 Raptor | F-22 Raptor Stealth Fighter Jet | Best Performing Jet Fighter Hands Down

I would worry about this:

Russian stealth aircraft are real

By Pavel | October 19, 2005 on 2:38 pm | In # Avia news | United states announced their plans to construct new stealth planes. New generation of pilotless fighters will be based on “Stealth” technology.
Meantime, Russia already has some inventions which allow to lower down dramatically the “visibility” of any moving objects, such as cars or planes.
The main idea is in plasma-generators. Plasma they produce is covering object and make it less visible to radio detectors or locators. This generators may turn any old and cheap fighter into a good analog or even competitor of highly promoted and extremely expensive American F-117 and B-2 (on the photo).
The director of Russian Research center named after Keldish, Mr. Korotaev, said, that it was a key-decision to use technologies based on different physical principles. Setting up plasma screen near the plane can make it invisible, in his opinion.
It can be explained very easily.
If you take a ball and shy it to the wall, it goes back. The same happens to the radar signal - it reverts from the plane, comes back and is being catched by the radar. So you can detect the plane. If the wall has many edges, the ball will bounce to any place but not to the base – this is the American approach. If you put something soft to the wall, the ball will loose the energy and fall down near it. The same happens to signals in plasma – plasma simply takes all the energy from signal and it fades.
Using this strategy Russians made a generator, which you can use on board of any plane. It is small and light. It generates powerfull bunches of electrons, air is being ionized and so plasma with set characteristics is being created .
“We had to make generator work togehter with all the on-board systems of modern aircraft, - says the research center employee Andrey Golovin. - Plasma was blocking the stable radio-channel with the land. Besides, plasma prevented many electronic systems and avinonics from working properly. Still, all these problems were successfully solved and system passed state test operations.”.
The best results the System shows on planes. Especially on high altitude. It easily competes with F-117. The main advantage is that you can set it up on any moving object, which you need to hide from radar. Including old models of aircrafts and it doesn’t affect on their flight performance. They are able to maneuver very actively during the air combat, which is a very weak spot of F-117. In custom cases the System can be used on land-based vehicels, even on serial cars.
The generators were successfully tested about 10 years ago, but implementation process was very slow. The reasons are usual, the investment is not enough.
Even now the radar invisibility experiments and researches are not active enough in Russia by the same reasons. Still, today there are no analogs of this system yet. But we should mind that such experiments are held since 90th in US as well. So we can become witnesses of a new interesting era moderns aviation.