Homosexuality may have some statistic relevance as negative, but statistics do not apply to individuals. Depression, drugs, etc., does not necessarily apply to the individual, just as being of a low risk group does not necessarily mean you AREN'T a depressed druggy with a propensity for beating your partner. Individuals applying should be looked at as individuals, plain and simple.
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Homosexuality may have some statistic relevance as negative, but statistics do not apply to individuals. Depression, drugs, etc., does not necessarily apply to the individual, just as being of a low risk group does not necessarily mean you AREN'T a depressed druggy with a propensity for beating your partner. Individuals applying should be looked at as individuals, plain and simple.
Enough said.. a 'Christian' who rejects Leviticus, of the Pentateuch, the original 5 books of the Old Testament.. and Paul, the organizing moral force in the New, whose revelation on the Road to Damascus came directly from Christ.
+What you reject gerryh is anything that doesn't submit to the tawdry, hypocritical, debasing tenets of modern mores, and to the washed out 'Christianity', that has eviscerated all of its moral structure and integrity with natural law through a selective and expurgated reading of the Gospels, to comply with them... and its prime directive of material gratification.
I actually think you are right but you harshly framed his argument and were irresponsible in doing so. coldstream's rant wasn't caustic and even though it may or not be how you feel, it was logical and imo fair. At least, the part you quoted was.
There are certainly aspects of heterosexuality that are every bit as predatory and self destructive as homosexuality. People who subscribe to these should also be excluded from the military. The difference is this only applies to a debased form of sexuality, in philosophical terms, eros, or the dolotrous form of self gratification, which can be of hetero or homo sexual character.
Not all heterosexuality can be classed as such, but, ALL homosexuality can be. The opposite is agape, forming a true love, which can ONLY occur in heterosexual circumstances, and in the context the real life partnership of a marriage. Which is why 'homosexual marriage' is so absurd.
Enough said.. a 'Christian' who rejects Leviticus, of the Pentateuch, the original 5 books of the Old Testament.. and Paul, the organizing moral force in the New, whose revelation on the Road to Damascus came directly from Christ.
What you reject gerryh is anything that doesn't submit to the tawdry, hypocritical, debasing tenets of modern mores, and to the washed out 'Christianity', that has eviscerated all of its moral structure and integrity with natural law through a selective and expurgated reading of the Gospels, to comply with them... and its prime directive of material gratification.
I am a "Christian". I believe that Jesus Christ born of a virgin, died to save mankinds sins, and was resurrected. I believe that Christ brought a new and ever lasting covenant which over rides the old covenants of Moses.
I believe that Paul was a charlatan at the most, misguided at the least in his understanding of Christs message.
You actually believe Jesus was born of a virgin? I don't know if he even existed in reality but supposing he did I still doubt that he was born of a virgin.
Enough said.. a 'Christian' who rejects Leviticus, of the Pentateuch, the original 5 books of the Old Testament.. and Paul, the organizing moral force in the New, whose revelation on the Road to Damascus came directly from Christ.
What you reject gerryh is anything that doesn't submit to the tawdry, hypocritical, debasing tenets of modern mores, and to the washed out 'Christianity', that has eviscerated all of its moral structure and integrity with natural law through a selective and expurgated reading of the Gospels, to comply with them... and its prime directive of material gratification.
I highly doubt you obey Leviticus, no matter how 'good' a Christian you think you are. The vast majority of Christians cherry pick what they want to from Leviticus.
I haven't seen any facts, just your opinion.
And what exactly are you implying with "...they just present themselves as friends...like you."? So I enable them with their addictive, obsessive, self-destructive behaviour? LOL! You sure have me pegged! Oh wait! No you don't.
"Always"? As in the case of "Colonel Russell Williams, Trenton’s top commander, who owned a home here, was charged in February with murdering two women, and with the sexual assault and forcible confinement of two more. He has since been charged with 84 counts of breaking and entering, many of which involved the theft of women’s lingerie . . " Military tries to disperse dark cloud over Tweed left by Russell Williams - The Globe and Mail
For you, this has nothing to do with gays in the military, your posts make that very obvious. Your antithetical bibliolatry is causing beyond hate but extreme repulsion it would seem. Unpleasantly interesting....
I'm sorry, but attitudes like yours belong somewhere in the Middle Ages. To paint all members of a minority group with the same brush is the height of ignorance if not of bigotry. You completely ignore modern scientific discoveries that clearly show that homosexuality in humans is no more unnatural than red hair. You condemn an entire segment of society based purely on your own prejudices. Fortunately, most of modern society does not share your views.
Sexual orientation and military service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
''Most Western military forces have now removed policies excluding sexual minority members; of the 26 countries that participate militarily in NATO, 22 permit open lesbians, gays, or bisexuals to serve; of the permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, three (United Kingdom, France, and Russia) do so.''
I am still waiting for proof that gays in the military jeopardizes military efficiency or impedes it in any way.
''Most Western military forces have now removed policies excluding sexual minority members; of the 26 countries that participate militarily in NATO, 22 permit open lesbians, gays, or bisexuals to serve; of the permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, three (United Kingdom, France, and Russia) do so.''
I am still waiting for proof that gays in the military jeopardizes military efficiency or impedes it in any way.
To paraphrase St. Augustine, the Old Testament cannot be fully understood outside the context of the New, which fully realizes its potential.. nothing is lost, but everything is transformed.
This was not a matter of military policy, unless they've changed the criteria to include serial killers unbeknownst to me.
But the automatic respect and deference accorded to those in the military, especially officers, and the power available to them, is why it is so strict in weeding out those of low moral or criminal character.
Weed-whacker didn't work? The best of con-artists aren't easily caught. How long did it take for Mount Cashel to be outed?
Hmmm... Another christian existentialist? (Christian existentialists include American theologian Lincoln Swain, German Protestant theologians Paul Tillich and Rudolph Bultmann, British Anglican theologian John Macquarrie, European philosophers, Karl Jaspers, Gabriel Marcel, Miguel de Unamuno, Pierre Boutang, Gabriel Marcel and Russian philosopher Nikolai Berdyaev. Karl Barth added to Kierkegaard's ideas the notion that existential despair leads an individual to an awareness of God's infinite nature. Some ideas in the works of Russian author Fyodor Dostoevsky could arguably be placed within the tradition of Christian existentialism.)
Are you saying in effect that you're equating anyone who's gay to be as evil/mentally disfunctional as Russell Williams?
I can't find one in there who i've actually read, except Kierkegaard and Dostoyevsky, but the mere name existential seems to bring up notions of the historical and temporal type of Christian 'theology' of the recent era that rejects the transcendent qualities of the faith and the moral imperatives, in favour of a utilitarian and pragmatic reconciliation with the 'progress' of contemporary values. Essentially it then falls into the type of radical individualism and moral relativism that permeates our modern society, You have to wonder what use religion is at all if it is only a reflection of those to whom it preaches rather than a beacon of Truth.
As to the second point, homosexuality IS an intrinsic evil. That doesn't necessarily mean the individual in its claws is evil, but it does mean the nothing good will come of it.. unto to the destruction of that person.
I have to note here that i deliberately framed my remarks in the my original posts in this forum in secular terms. Specifically of the catastrophic effects of homosexuality on physical and psychic well being, and the dramatic reduction in life expectancy, of its practictioners.
That's a matter of record. I also referred to its potential detrimental effect or morale and preparedness of military units. It was geryhh and others who imposed a religious reading into it, to which i felt obliged to respond.
I just find it interesting that supporters of homosexual affirmation and legitimization seem to be the ones who feel compelled to go back to challenge these origins of morality, perhaps to assuage there own doubts as to their cause.
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What or whose record? You have only presented your rather biased and bigoted opinion. You have not posted any links to support your fundamentalist attitudes.
I'd be interested to see a list of the 'catastrophic effects of homosexuality on physical well being'.
Feel free to post them.
The world and the entire known universe still eagerly awaits for the ''proof'' from the delusionals who believe gays in the military are the biggest threat since Plan 9 From Outer space.
I've given up posting links.. but feel free to google 'negative effects of homosexuality'.. you will find info that lists them in the length of small books.
Of course the homosexual lobby/industry has been busy posting their own counter claims.. but any incisive look at them will reveal them couched in the rationales and lexicon of post structural society.
Take your choice.. but take a caveat as well.. nothing good, at the level of the individual or society, has or ever will come from homosexuality or its legitimization. The characterization of it as being 'normal' or 'genetically predisposed' is in fact only 40 years old, and its effects have yet to be fully realized.
I question why i get such bitter responses to this view. Essentially, in the West, the enshrinement of homosexuality as an idol worthy of worship, is in almost complete control of the agenda. You'd think its practitioners and supporters would celebrating this Brave New World, but instead they wallow in self pity and misery. I guess it just comes with the territory.