Kinder Morgan Pipeline

[captain morgan]

So.........way back in 2013 there was opposition..........didn't work out very well then did it........dirty coal still leaving the port daily.

2013, ahhh, I remember it well.

That was the year of The Great Warming that led to the ice free North pole since 2013.

<insert frowny sad face emoji here>

The Federal Government needs to honour the Rights of Indigenous Peoples who OWN the land and the 2014 Supreme Court ruling that says so.

The FNs are at one with nature, and since nature was here first, I'd say that nature owns the FNs, not the other way around

 

[Hoid]

And Smack's job it to deflect attention away from his colossal fukk up country.

I can't remember much about him except I'm pretty sure he's walter.

 

[JLM]

The trans mountain expansion is a very bad thing, regardless of whether there are other bad things or not.

One man's opinion, not based on much that is factual. :lol:

 

[captain morgan]

You can't remember voting 3 months late in the last provincial election, so I wouldn't be putting a lot of stock in your memory

 

[Mowich]

So because you are unable to completely fix one problem you have no right to try and fix another?

Pray tell what was fixed, if only incompletely? Of course you are right, abandoning one problem in favor of another is most certainly and all too often the right of protestors.

The trans mountain expansion is a very bad thing, regardless of whether there are other bad things or not.

Well dear, if such be the case then be prepared to see your tax dollars rise sky high in order for the province to import all the oil it needs once Alberta turns off the taps. Because the FACT is that without Alberta oil, the price of gas at the pumps will begin at $2 and litre and rise from there. Be prepared to see home heating costs rise as well as the price of other commodities who need oil/gas to deliver goods. You think the province is on shaky ground now economically? You haven't seen anything yet. So keep up your protests against a pipeline extension that is in the National interest but you will have to pay the piper.

 

[Hoid]

You know it occurs to me I have had this same conversation where I could not be against the pipeline because of sewage.

Now I cannot be against the pipeline because coal.

This is a spurious argument and I don't care to pursue it any further.

The Trans Mountain Expansion is something that is wrong and that I hope will be prevented.

 

[JLM]

You know it occurs to me I have had this same conversation where I could not be against the pipeline because of sewage.

Now I cannot be against the pipeline because coal.

This is a spurious argument and I don't care to pursue it any further.

The Trans Mountain Expansion is something that is wrong and that I hope will be prevented.

So how exactly would you propose transporting oil from Alberta to Burnaby? Alberta has lots of oil, Burnaby doesn't, but it does have lots of vehicles and furnaces!

 

[Cliffy]

So how exactly would you propose transporting oil from Alberta to Burnaby? Alberta has lots of oil, Burnaby doesn't, but it does have lots of vehicles and furnaces!

The oil has nothing to do with vehicles and furnaces in BC if it is being exported. If Alberia wants to hold a gun to our heads, then that is a declaration of war. We just have to cut off the electricity they get from us.

 

[captain morgan]

Pray tell what was fixed, if only incompletely? Of course you are right, abandoning one problem in favor of another is most certainly and all too often the right of protestors.

Well dear, if such be the case then be prepared to see your tax dollars rise sky high in order for the province to import all the oil it needs once Alberta turns off the taps. Because the FACT is that without Alberta oil, the price of gas at the pumps will begin at $2 and litre and rise from there. Be prepared to see home heating costs rise as well as the price of other commodities who need oil/gas to deliver goods. You think the province is on shaky ground now economically? You haven't seen anything yet. So keep up your protests against a pipeline extension that is in the National interest but you will have to pay the piper.

You have identified the essential issue(s) as it relates to the secondary dependence that we have on oil/fuel.

It's one thing to say that you don't need gas, etc, but all of those goods and services like foodstuffs, retail items, etc that are depended on do require it (generally).

It's this singular dimesnional view that gets people in trouble

The oil has nothing to do with vehicles and furnaces in BC if it is being exported. If Alberia wants to hold a gun to our heads, then that is a declaration of war. We just have to cut off the electricity they get from us.

There, there dear.

maybe this will cheer you up a bit

 

[Hoid]

If the pipeline had been approved and was fully underway it would not result in the slightest change in gas prices in BC.

It is the worst sort of bullshit to infer it would.

Typical lies from typical liars - and what really has people focused on the issue.

 

[EagleSmack]

Build it.

 

[Cliffy]

 

[captain morgan]

Coming to a Burnaby near you!

 

[Mowich]

The oil has nothing to do with vehicles and furnaces in BC if it is being exported. If Alberia wants to hold a gun to our heads, then that is a declaration of war. We just have to cut off the electricity they get from us.

Oh how wrong you are.

"It could mean an immediate increase of 20 to 50 cents for a litre for gas and fuel shortages within days.

It would also require a massive overhaul of our fuel supply chains, meaning up to 300,000 barrels a day of oil and other fuels will have to find their way to the coast in rail cars, trucks, barges and tankers.

The infrastructure doesn’t exist to suddenly start unloading and storing large amounts of oil and gasoline from different kinds of vessels, said analyst Dan McTeague of Gas Buddy. “You can’t build a terminal overnight.”

Wholesale gas prices in Vancouver are already the highest in North America and “supply is as tight as a drum,” said McTeague. “There isn’t enough to go around and if we needed more, it would take a long time to get here.”

Fuel could be shipped from the U.S. west coast, and from as far away as the U.S. Gulf coast through the Panama Canal, said industry consultant Michael Ervin of Kent Group.

“If pipeline and rail were pinched, it would be a scramble to find supply given that refinery production in North America is pretty much at 100 per cent already,” he said. “On the West Coast, they simply don’t have the capacity to make more gasoline.”

Gas would be forced to take a long, circuitous route and cost 10 to 20 cents a litre more than we pay now, he said.

McTeague figures that’s an optimistic price estimate.

“I think we will start at $2 a litre for gas and go from there,” he said. “It won’t be a small increase because there just isn’t anyone that can provide alternative supplies readily. I can’t imagine you would have more than a few days supply.”

"About 50 per cent of the region’s gas comes through Trans Mountain, McTeague said. The remaining 20 per cent arrives by rail, road and water from refineries in other parts of Canada and Washington state."

Pipeline shutdown would hurt, even if it’s not a scene from Mad Max | Vancouver Sun

 

[EagleSmack]

If we build more wind farms...

 

[JLM]

I think you may be veering a little off topic. :lol:

 

[Mowich]

If the pipeline had been approved and was fully underway it would not result in the slightest change in gas prices in BC.

It is the worst sort of bullshit to infer it would.

Typical lies from typical liars - and what really has people focused on the issue.

Hoidie, hodie hodie................I never wrote or posted that gas prices would be affected were the pipeline in place. Please try and stay with me here, okay? My point and that of the article below is what would happen should Alberta exercise her right to legislate a change in oil and gas delivery to BC.

Pipeline shutdown would hurt, even if it’s not a scene from Mad Max | Vancouver Sun

If we build more wind farms...

Please don't go there, Eagle.............there is an entirely different bunch of econuts dead set against them too - go figure eh. :lol:

 

[EagleSmack]

Please don't go there, Eagle.............there is an entirely different bunch of econuts dead set against them too - go figure eh. :lol:

Oh I know about that. Here in liberal Massachusetts the liberals are all for wind farms, just not in their communities or in view of their yachts.

 

[JLM]

If we build more wind farms...

How many kilowatt hours of electricity are produced per acre of wind farms?

 

[captain morgan]

How often does the wind blow?