Khadr should make us ashamed to be Canadian

[Dreadful Nonsense]

bah, read dude.

Are you talking about the post you posted and quoted off.
If so ,what does this opinion have to do with a Canadian killing an American in a foriegn land we are trying to bring into the 21st century.Again everything Doug said.


Look i am definatly not anti Muslim anything. Religous Extremists ruin evry religous system.

Certain subjects yeah i'm so not there.

I have talked to people that from the get go they tried explaining that this kid was being "framed". I assume they would be happy at the recent desicion made for him.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Are you talking about the post you posted and quoted off.
If so ,what does this opinion have to do with a Canadian killing an American in a foriegn land we are trying to bring into the 21st century.Again everything Doug said.


Look i am definatly not anti Muslim anything. Religous Extremists ruin evry religous system.

Certain subjects yeah i'm so not there.

I have talked to people that from the get go they tried explaining that this kid was being "framed". I assume they would be happy at the recent desicion made for him.

I was predicting what kind of respsonse he was going to come back with, the one I quoted.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Are you talking about the post you posted and quoted off.
If so ,what does this opinion have to do with a Canadian killing an American in a foriegn land we are trying to bring into the 21st century.Again everything Doug said.


Look i am definatly not anti Muslim anything. Religous Extremists ruin evry religous system.

Certain subjects yeah i'm so not there.

I have talked to people that from the get go they tried explaining that this kid was being "framed". I assume they would be happy at the recent desicion made for him.

I read it that the *other* poster would probably blame it on culture, etc. Not that *he* blamed culture.

 

[earth_as_one]

There is no international law which defines an "unlawful combatant". According to international law people have rights. If they are soldiers their treatment as a POW is governed by Geneva conventions. If they are civilians who are accused of a crime then they are subject to the country's laws where the criminal activity took place and by international law.

Unlawful combatant is a term the US invented in order to deny people fundamental human rights as civilians or soldiers.

I find the Canadian government's actions or inaction in this case an embarassment. Khadr is a Canadian citizen and was a juvenile at the time of the alleged incident. Our government did nothing while a foreign government trampled the rights of a Canadian citizen. If Khadr can be denied fundamental rights as a Canadian citizen then our government can deny any Canadian citizen their rights.

What Khadr is alleged to have done is beside the point. Canada should protect the rights of its citizens, regardless of the crimes they have been accused of. That fundamental concept, is what separates countries which follow the rule of law from totalitarian regimes where people can be held indefinitely without charges, subjected to torture and summary execution.

Frankly the idea of secret prisons filled with secret detainees some of whom may be Canadian citizens who have no rights scares me far more than any "terrorist".

 

[earth_as_one]

repeat post

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

There is no international law which defines an "unlawful combatant". According to international law people have rights. If they are soldiers their treatment as a POW is governed by Geneva conventions. If they are civilians who are accused of a crime then they are subject to the country's laws where the criminal activity took place and by international law.

Unlawful combatant is a term the US invented in order to deny people fundamental human rights as civilians or soldiers.

I find the Canadian government's actions or inaction in this case an embarassment. Khadr is a Canadian citizen and was a juvenile at the time of the alleged incident. Our government did nothing while a foreign government trampled the rights of a Canadian citizen. If Khadr can be denied fundamental rights as a Canadian citizen then our government can deny any Canadian citizen their rights.

What Khadr is alleged to have done is beside the point. Canada should protect the rights of its citizens, regardless of the crimes they have been accused of. That fundamental concept, is what separates countries which follow the rule of law from totalitarian regimes where people can be held indefinitely without charges, subjected to torture and summary execution.

Frankly the idea of secret prisons filled with secret detainees some of whom may be Canadian citizens who have no rights scares me far more than any "terrorist".

I for one am glad that Canada finally stepped up and didn't do something to help these 'citizens of convenience'. As a 15 year old, under Canadian law, he should be attending school in Canada not galavanting around Afganistan shooting at other Canadians and Americans. Let him rot. He deserves it.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Not to me. His actions to me make him a traitor. If he is fighting for something he believes in, which happens to be different than the stated position of the Canadian Government (this one AND the previous one), then he should renounce his Canadian citizenship. He and his family are very anti-west except when their Canadian passport comes in handy in getting them out of messes. He at best is a hypocrite. At worst, a terrorist and a traitor. He is no hero in my book.

I agree . You all shall find our Doug here to post Sweet Lucidity from time to time.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Do some research about his family & him before subjecting us to your scoldings. Even then, I'm sure you will find some fault with Canadian society that forced his whole family to run off to afghanistan and become chums with Osama.

Oh pulllllease!!!!so now it's our culture's fault.....

 

[DurkaDurka]

Oh pulllllease!!!!so now it's our culture's fault.....

bah, read dude.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

this thread has turned into some sort of bad episode of Star Trek.

Lets debate with a shuffle option turned on to make it interesting.

 

[Johnnny]

i read on wikipedia that the medic was an american and not canadian either way hes were he has to be. He should have been in school rather then out killing soliders

 

[Zzarchov]

Not to me. His actions to me make him a traitor. If he is fighting for something he believes in, which happens to be different than the stated position of the Canadian Government (this one AND the previous one), then he should renounce his Canadian citizenship. He and his family are very anti-west except when their Canadian passport comes in handy in getting them out of messes. He at best is a hypocrite. At worst, a terrorist and a traitor. He is no hero in my book.

Woah nelly. If this is at all with what I started, I am not saying he is a good guy. I state he should still be sent to jail.

What I am saying, is that in terms of Canadians that currently exist in prison, he is not even one of the worst.

You cannot even compare his crimes to those "worst of the worst", born and bred in Canada. Yet people do seem to claim he is worse than Berdnardo, then Picton, and the biggest difference in these cases seem to be that they are white.

 

[earth_as_one]

So who decides which Canadian citizens get full rights, which get partial rights and no rights. Where does it say the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms only applies to nice people?

Khadr is a Canadian citizen. If we allow foreign governments to trample the rights of one Canadian citizen, that's one citizen too many. Our government is supposed to protect all Canadian citizens to the best of their ability. That didn't happen in this case. That's a disgrace and a cause for concern. Canadians who travel abroad need to know the Canadian government protects all citizens, not some citizens.

 

[Unforgiven]

So who decides which Canadian citizens get full rights, which get partial rights and no rights. Where does it say the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms only applies to nice people?

Khadr is a Canadian citizen. If we allow foreign governments to trample the rights of one Canadian citizen, that's one citizen too many. Our government is supposed to protect all Canadian citizens to the best of their ability. That didn't happen in this case. That's a disgrace and a cause for concern. Canadians who travel abroad need to know the Canadian government protects all citizens, not some citizens.

What with all these modern conveniences like triple glazed windows and central forced air heating, we need and stronger more flamboyant nemesis to reach the depths of depravity so many are trying to reach. Behold the birth of the Super Villain.

Will Peter Mkay don the rouge leotard and rise to the challenge of protecting us from these doers of evil? Tune in next week folk, when Paris gets her lumps.

 

[Just the Facts]

Yet you wish to punish Khadr's family for his actions. Apparently the laws don't apply to non-whites. After all, no one suggested punishing the mother, father and siblings of Bernardo.

No one said "Lets take Bernardo's mom and lock her in a dank cell for what her son did".

Hence why "political correctoids" rant.

I'm not sure I understand you're comparison. I don't recall Bernardo's mother coming to court and lamb-basting Canadians for putting him on trial. I don't recall any CBC interviews with his entire family saying that abducting and raping teenagers is a good thing. Bernardo is in prison for life. Likely so will the Picton guy be. How exactly did they benefit from being white?

 

[Zzarchov]

Because last I checked, there is no crime in holding beliefs which are quite unpopular (such as Neo Nazi Beliefs) and when one commits a crime, their family is not exhiled from the country, even if they share unpopular beliefs (again, see Neo-Nazi's).

No one suggest giving them a medal, but we have laws, and they apply to everyone.

 

[Unforgiven]

Because last I checked, there is no crime in holding beliefs which are quite unpopular (such as Neo Nazi Beliefs) and when one commits a crime, their family is not exhiled from the country, even if they share unpopular beliefs (again, see Neo-Nazi's).

No one suggest giving them a medal, but we have laws, and they apply to everyone.

Exactly. That someone can't see how at some point when someone disagrees with them and their methods, they get the same benefit from the sanctity of opinion this concept provides.

 

[earth_as_one]

Because last I checked, there is no crime in holding beliefs which are quite unpopular (such as Neo Nazi Beliefs) and when one commits a crime, their family is not exhiled from the country, even if they share unpopular beliefs (again, see Neo-Nazi's).

No one suggest giving them a medal, but we have laws, and they apply to everyone.

We share a similar opinion on the same subject. Here is what Canada should have done:

May 27, 3:12 PM ET

SANAA (Reuters) - Yemen said on Sunday it had agreed with the United States to take back most of the remaining Yemeni inmates held at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp in Cuba.

"There are continuous talks with the Americans to hand over the Yemenis in Guantanamo to the Yemeni government," a senior official told Reuters. He did not say how many prisoners would be released or when...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070527/wl_nm/yemen_usa_guantanamo_dc

12/14/2006
Sixteen Saudi Guantanamo detainees repatriated; names given

Minister of Interior Prince Nayef bin Abdulaziz said today that Saudi authorities secured the release of 16 Saudi citizens detained at the US military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The 16 detainees arrived in the Kingdom this morning by private plane.

The relatives of the 16 have been informed of their arrival and the Ministry of Interior is providing the necessary facilities so they can meet, Prince Nayef said.
The minister also noted that the adherence to regulations and instructions by previously released detainees played a positive role in securing the release of the latest 16. They will be subject to the laws of the Kingdom, he said.
Prince Nayef expressed his appreciation for the cooperation of US authorities in the matter, and said that efforts remain ongoing to repatriate the remaining Saudi detainees in the near future...

http://www.saudiembassy.net/2006News/News/NewsDetail.asp?cIndex=6731

Releasing prisoners is a sign of a close relationship. I guess Canada knows where it stands with the US compared to Saudi Arabia or Yemen.

 

[Minority Observer84]

uh huh, so he deserves worse treatment than Paul Bernardo? What about our new favourite hooker killing pig farmer?

Priorities here. For all his crimes he far better than either of those two, and they get full legal protection and rights.

No one said anything about removing rights though..until someone not white did something bad , yet still not anywhere near the worst.

Bernardo lives but he should die? Did he abduct children, rape them, urinate on them, kill them and do other despicable things multiple times? No? Not even close?

The reason politically correct people whinge is because it seems he could do things a hundred times worse and get off without this notion that he is "no longer canadian" as long as he is white.

No one ever suggested deporting Bernardo to Italy.

Well Said , the issue of "real canadian " does not come up until someone who is not white commits a crime . Gitmo is an affront to international law and order regradless of who is imprisoned there but people seem far less likely to mind if it's a non white and non christian person locked up case in point john walker lindh .It's the hippocratic nature of these arguments that gets to me . Dam Right he should be allowed to return to canada , and if the crown has any evidence he should be brought up on charges and if convicted he should be jailed .

 

[Just the Facts]

Dam Right he should be allowed to return to canada , and if the crown has any evidence he should be brought up on charges and if convicted he should be jailed .

Legally, you're right. Morally, the Khadr's should apply to immigrate to Pakistan...their Al Qaeda ilk are very active there, they could feel right at home and be among friends who welcome them. Oh, but wait...no free health care!