Khadr should make us ashamed to be Canadian

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By Doug Aldridge, The Right Side



That Omar Khadr and his family are Canadians, is an insult to decent Canadians from ALL segments of society.

Decent Canadian citizens don't sneak away to join bands of foreign fanatics for the express purpose of killing people who are our friends and allies.

Decent Canadians don't cheer on the foreign fanatics when they massacre other Canadians as they did on 9/11.

Decent Canadians don't show up in court as cheerleaders, to support the treasonous, home-grown, would-be-terrorists, inspired by the foreign fanatics who pose as spiritual leaders in order to get into this country.

Decent Canadian politicians don't aid and abet known terrorist murderers such as Daddy Khadr for political gain.

Nor do they roll out the red carpet and waive Medicare wait times for known terrorists because they know it will mean unconditional voter support from those whose loyalty to Canada is at best, doubtful.

Decent Canadians don't put the reputation of their fellows into disrepute by celebrating the deaths of our own soldiers and those of our blood allies, fighting to rid us of the foreign fanatics.

Decent Canadians don't put our economy and therefore the lives of their fellows in jeopardy by putting their political ideologies, jealousies and bitterness ahead of the welfare of their fellows.

Decent Canadian politicians should level with us...admit the social engineering project to turn Canada into a non-aligned, third-world wannabe country has been a total failure, leaving a fragmented, confused and increasingly polarized people.

Decent Canadians should hope that Omar Khadr, if ever convicted of murdering a medic, receives the full measure of justice offered him by the Americans...and to reject out of hand the politically correct whiners and whingers who will undoubtedly whine and whinge.

Decent Canadians should be prepared to be called names by the political correctoids...and in turn tell them to shove it up their rectoid.

Decent Canadian politicians should begin drafting laws to remove the right of Canada to foreign fanatics and criminals. Lets' start by booting out those who spit on the oath of allegiance they took when they became citizens of this country.

Decent Canadians should demonstrate their support to those politicians who have the guts to put such legislation forward.

Decent Canadians should feel ashamed they have allowed politicians to devalue their birthright and Citizenship by allowing the likes of the Khadrs to gain and then abuse the right of that citizenship.

And if that sounds harsh...it was meant to.
Doug Aldridge was a broadcaster for 26 years. He spent several years as an announcer-reporter with Canadian Forces Radio and Television in Germany. He also worked for the CBC in Yellowknife, Ft. Churchill, and Ottawa. His final radio stint was as morning news anchor at CFMO, from 1992 to 1997. Doug runs The Right Side website.
 

Zzarchov

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uh huh, so he deserves worse treatment than Paul Bernardo? What about our new favourite hooker killing pig farmer?

Priorities here. For all his crimes he far better than either of those two, and they get full legal protection and rights.

No one said anything about removing rights though..until someone not white did something bad , yet still not anywhere near the worst.

Bernardo lives but he should die? Did he abduct children, rape them, urinate on them, kill them and do other despicable things multiple times? No? Not even close?

The reason politically correct people whinge is because it seems he could do things a hundred times worse and get off without this notion that he is "no longer canadian" as long as he is white.

No one ever suggested deporting Bernardo to Italy.
 

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uh huh, so he deserves worse treatment than Paul Bernardo? What about our new favourite hooker killing pig farmer?

Priorities here. For all his crimes he far better than either of those two, and they get full legal protection and rights.

No one said anything about removing rights though..until someone not white did something bad , yet still not anywhere near the worst.

Bernardo lives but he should die? Did he abduct children, rape them, urinate on them, kill them and do other despicable things multiple times? No? Not even close?

The reason politically correct people whinge is because it seems he could do things a hundred times worse and get off without this notion that he is "no longer canadian" as long as he is white.

No one ever suggested deporting Bernardo to Italy.

If we just shoot them all, then we don't have to worry about debating who is/was worse.
 

Zzarchov

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If you want to kill all criminals, while harsh, that is fine. But its not a debate.

Fighting on the other side of a war against allies of your country men for what you consider (rightly or wrongly) to be moral reasons (which still a fitting crime to be hung for, don't get me wrong).

Is not even comparable to stealing high school girls (plural) and raping and murdering them for your twisted fetishes.

Yet you wish to punish Khadr's family for his actions. Apparently the laws don't apply to non-whites. After all, no one suggested punishing the mother, father and siblings of Bernardo.

No one said "Lets take Bernardo's mom and lock her in a dank cell for what her son did".

Hence why "political correctoids" rant.
 

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If you want to kill all criminals, while harsh, that is fine. But its not a debate.

Fighting on the other side of a war against allies of your country men for what you consider (rightly or wrongly) to be moral reasons (which still a fitting crime to be hung for, don't get me wrong).

Is not even comparable to stealing high school girls (plural) and raping and murdering them for your twisted fetishes.

Yet you wish to punish Khadr's family for his actions. Apparently the laws don't apply to non-whites. After all, no one suggested punishing the mother, father and siblings of Bernardo.

No one said "Lets take Bernardo's mom and lock her in a dank cell for what her son did".

Hence why "political correctoids" rant.

This is the same family who had the 5th estate do a documentary on them is it not? From what I remember, the whole family could and should be tried as terrorists. They go fight as afganis but whenever they get in a tough situation, they come crying back to Canada to help them. Regardless of their skin colour, they should be deported as terrorists or terrorist funders. I belive there is quite enough evidence to convict them on that. Why we don't is political.

If Paul Bernardo's parents had funded his endevours or participated, then yes they should be punished.
This has nothing to do with colour of skin although I am sure the Khdar's would love for you to believe that.
 

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I'm (surprise) actually with Zzarchov on this one.
"Nation of Laws" kinda applies across the board. Khadr is innocent until proven guilty.

Besides, we as Canadians went to join in the war between Britain and the Germans, I don't see how someone going back to their country of origin to help out in whatever is any different than Afghan ex-pats going there to help keep things under control- I am NOT saying that anyone killing anyone else is right, but what Khadr is accused of having done is, as pointed out above, nothing super-evil or anything. Not advocatin it, he might have made the "wrong" choice, but just cos you believe he's "one of them" doesn't mean that everything that supposedly makes our country great (the things we're supposedly over in the M.E. to begin with, remember?) can be overlooked in some perverted, infantile quest for "vengeance"

Some of the sentiments being expressed in this thread are xenophobic to the point of being ultra-racist
 

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Mabudon: Afghanistan is not the Khadr's country of origin. The mother is Palestinian and the father was from Egypt. They were not defending their homeland, they were there to Jihad.
 

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I'm (surprise) actually with Zzarchov on this one.
"Nation of Laws" kinda applies across the board. Khadr is innocent until proven guilty.

Besides, we as Canadians went to join in the war between Britain and the Germans, I don't see how someone going back to their country of origin to help out in whatever is any different than Afghan ex-pats going there to help keep things under control- I am NOT saying that anyone killing anyone else is right, but what Khadr is accused of having done is, as pointed out above, nothing super-evil or anything. Not advocatin it, he might have made the "wrong" choice, but just cos you believe he's "one of them" doesn't mean that everything that supposedly makes our country great (the things we're supposedly over in the M.E. to begin with, remember?) can be overlooked in some perverted, infantile quest for "vengeance"

Some of the sentiments being expressed in this thread are xenophobic to the point of being ultra-racist

So what if he had killed a Canadian soldier instead of an American?

In WWI and WWII it was Canada itself that joined up with Britan to fight the Germans. It wasn't individual citizens.

If he did go as a private mersenary, the minute he shot at Canada or any of its allies, he is a traitor and guilty of treason. As far as I am concerned, he can remain locked up at Guatonimo Bay as long as he shall live. I don't think Canada owes him $1 to help him get out of there so he can kill more Canadian or American soldiers.

Since I have the same opionion for ANYONE who does/did the stuff he did, I don't see it as being racist.
 

mabudon

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I was referring to the "kill him and anyone related" type of comments I was reading

We don't have to spend any money to get Gitmo closed, the US will do that on their own eventually, it is the most public atrocity the US has ever upheld IMO and it WILL be dealt with one way or another

As for shooting a Canadian soldier instead of an American- I guess I'd agree that would be a damn tricky situation, but it is not the case. The way I see it, anyone shooting at ocupation troops in Iraq and Afghanistan is fighting a WAR. How the US can have "lawful combatants" in a foreign country and call anyone opposing them "unlawful" is sophistry on the most basic, obvious level
 

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I was referring to the "kill him and anyone related" type of comments I was reading

We don't have to spend any money to get Gitmo closed, the US will do that on their own eventually, it is the most public atrocity the US has ever upheld IMO and it WILL be dealt with one way or another

As for shooting a Canadian soldier instead of an American- I guess I'd agree that would be a damn tricky situation, but it is not the case. The way I see it, anyone shooting at ocupation troops in Iraq and Afghanistan is fighting a WAR. How the US can have "lawful combatants" in a foreign country and call anyone opposing them "unlawful" is sophistry on the most basic, obvious level

In that case, since he shot an American, the Americans will deal with him. Since Canada is not at war with America, we should not stand in the way of the Americans extracting Justice as they see fit.
 

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It's an interesting debate...however,Khadr IS a Canadian citizen,the child of parents whose political and religious beliefs encompassed him. He(in my view)was/is a pawn in all of this...and when he tossed the grenade,he'd already witnessed the deaths of everyone around him.
Since even Americans are slowly coming to the realization that Gitmo is an illegal facility,perhaps this now very damaged young man will gain release(and hopefully intense counselling).I fear for his future.
 

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It's an interesting debate...however,Khadr IS a Canadian citizen,the child of parents whose political and religious beliefs encompassed him. He(in my view)was/is a pawn in all of this...and when he tossed the grenade,he'd already witnessed the deaths of everyone around him.
Since even Americans are slowly coming to the realization that Gitmo is an illegal facility,perhaps this now very damaged young man will gain release(and hopefully intense counselling).I fear for his future.

Well, he probably *should* face a minimum of a murder charge for the American he killed.
 

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It's an interesting debate...however,Khadr IS a Canadian citizen,the child of parents whose political and religious beliefs encompassed him. He(in my view)was/is a pawn in all of this...and when he tossed the grenade,he'd already witnessed the deaths of everyone around him.
Since even Americans are slowly coming to the realization that Gitmo is an illegal facility,perhaps this now very damaged young man will gain release(and hopefully intense counselling).I fear for his future.

He certainly won't be going home to a stable, nurturing home. I don't see his beliefs changing anytime soon.
 

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What do decent Canadians do? Gay bash? Swill beer? Cheer on hockey fights? Hate muslims? Base everything on an us versus them mentality? Elect a politician that decreases funding to women's groups and fights against our commitment to Kyoto, while telling us we cannot back down from Afghanistan, because Canada must stick to it's commitments? What IS a decent Canadian? And why should we as Canadians feel ashamed over the case of one guy or one family.? It's not a black and white situation here. It is complicated, and poses a challenge to politicians and canadians. If we want to feel ashamed as Canadians, there are PLENTY of reasons to do so...from botching of affairs with aboriginals, to canadian soldiers posing with a somali boy they just viciously slaughtered, to headtaxes for the chinese, etc. This is just another case that poses a challenge to us as Canadians. That is okay...that is how we, as a collective nation learn. But, to be ashamed? No.

To be honest, I do not know enough about this man or his family. I do know that just because he sees value and merit in fighting for something he believes in, whatever it happens to be, is not enough reason to dismiss him, or feel ashamed. If he was acting in a way that WE as Canadians wanted, he would be hailed as a hero. But, because he is fighting for something that WE as Canadians hate, he is someone to be ashamed of? He is fighting in a world war for something that he believes in. To some he is a horrible terrorist...to others, he is a freedom fighter who should be hailed as a hero.
 

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To be honest, I do not know enough about this man or his family. I do know that just because he sees value and merit in fighting for something he believes in, whatever it happens to be, is not enough reason to dismiss him, or feel ashamed. If he was acting in a way that WE as Canadians wanted, he would be hailed as a hero. But, because he is fighting for something that WE as Canadians hate, he is someone to be ashamed of? He is fighting in a world war for something that he believes in. To some he is a horrible terrorist...to others, he is a freedom fighter who should be hailed as a hero.

Not to me. His actions to me make him a traitor. If he is fighting for something he believes in, which happens to be different than the stated position of the Canadian Government (this one AND the previous one), then he should renounce his Canadian citizenship. He and his family are very anti-west except when their Canadian passport comes in handy in getting them out of messes. He at best is a hypocrite. At worst, a terrorist and a traitor. He is no hero in my book.
 

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What do decent Canadians do? Gay bash? Swill beer? Cheer on hockey fights? Hate muslims? Base everything on an us versus them mentality? Elect a politician that decreases funding to women's groups and fights against our commitment to Kyoto, while telling us we cannot back down from Afghanistan, because Canada must stick to it's commitments? What IS a decent Canadian? And why should we as Canadians feel ashamed over the case of one guy or one family.? It's not a black and white situation here. It is complicated, and poses a challenge to politicians and canadians. If we want to feel ashamed as Canadians, there are PLENTY of reasons to do so...from botching of affairs with aboriginals, to canadian soldiers posing with a somali boy they just viciously slaughtered, to headtaxes for the chinese, etc. This is just another case that poses a challenge to us as Canadians. That is okay...that is how we, as a collective nation learn. But, to be ashamed? No.

To be honest, I do not know enough about this man or his family. I do know that just because he sees value and merit in fighting for something he believes in, whatever it happens to be, is not enough reason to dismiss him, or feel ashamed. If he was acting in a way that WE as Canadians wanted, he would be hailed as a hero. But, because he is fighting for something that WE as Canadians hate, he is someone to be ashamed of? He is fighting in a world war for something that he believes in. To some he is a horrible terrorist...to others, he is a freedom fighter who should be hailed as a hero.


Do some research about his family & him before subjecting us to your scoldings. Even then, I'm sure you will find some fault with Canadian society that forced his whole family to run off to afghanistan and become chums with Osama.