Khadr could be headed to Scarborough home

[Cliffy]

I was referring to the questions I've asked you.

You've answered two, but those were easy, these are the two I really would like to read your response to...

The latter isn't a question, so much as it puts a time line into context.

I don't really care what happened in his youth. He must be 25 now, at least. I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I would think though, that 10 years in Gitmo would have fried his brains and he would of no use to anyone. If he is a danger, we could always deport him to his place of origin, but that might mean having to face him again on the battlefield. I have no answers because I do not have all the facts. Perhaps we should just shoot him and solve the conundrum.

If his family hates Canada, why are they still here?

 

[Goober]

I don't really care what happened in his youth. He must be 25 now, at least. I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I would think though, that 10 years in Gitmo would have fried his brains and he would of no use to anyone. If he is a danger, we could always deport him to his place of origin, but that might mean having to face him again on the battlefield. I have no answers because I do not have all the facts. Perhaps we should just shoot him and solve the conundrum.

If his family hates Canada, why are they still here?

He was born in Canada- His Grandparents were not - neither was his mother- they support Jihad- They should all be deported but first charged with child abuse.

 

[Cliffy]

He was born in Canada- His Grandparents were not - neither was his mother- they support Jihad- They should all be deported but first charged with child abuse.

That too.

But then, we lead the bombing of Libya. How does that make us any better than Khadr's parents again?

 

[Goober]

That too.

But then, we lead the bombing of Libya. How does that make us any better than Khadr's parents again?

Always with a qualifier - How are they related- The parents and grandparents mentally coerced- abused a child into Jihad- to kill -

Is that a crime or not?

Is that child abuse or not?

Sent him overseas to train and fight? Is that not a crime. And yes they were still fighting in Afghanistan prior to 911.

 

[Cliffy]

Always with a qualifier - How are they related- The parents and grandparents mentally coerced- abused a child into Jihad- to kill -

Is that a crime or not?

Is that child abuse or not?

Sent him overseas to train and fight? Is that not a crime. And yes they were still fighting in Afghanistan prior to 911.

Yup, it is a crime. My point is, how is it any different than Canada sending its children to foreign countries to fight? Is there any less brainwashing going on? How are we morally superior? In the view of middle eastern countries, where we have interfered, we are the ones (Christian countries) that are waging jihad (crusade) against them.

 

[Goober]

Yup, it is a crime. My point is, how is it any different than Canada sending its children to foreign countries to fight? Is there any less brainwashing going on? How are we morally superior? In the view of middle eastern countries, where we have interfered, we are the ones (Christian countries) that are waging jihad (crusade) against them.

Old enough to join the Military - old enough to fight and die. And no one under 18 was sent overseas that i know of.

So please provide fact to back up your claim that Canada sent children to fight in Libya - Afghanistan

 

[Cliffy]

Old enough to join the Military - old enough to fight and die. And no one under 18 was sent overseas that i know of.

So please provide fact to back up your claim that Canada sent children to fight in Libya - Afghanistan

Are you saying that once a child reaches 18 they no longer have parents? They are still someone's child, just like you are still your mother's child, no matter how old you are. We may consider 18 to be the age of reason, but I don't agree. It is the age at which they are just still dumb enough to fall for all that patriotic BS fed to them about "serving their country". But, let's face it. most join because they see it as a way out of poverty and an avenue to a better life. Too bad they are not told that there is a good possibility that that better life will be in the after life.

 

[JLM]

Are you saying that once a child reaches 18 they no longer have parents? They are still someone's child, just like you are still your mother's child, no matter how old you are. We may consider 18 to be the age of reason, but I don't agree. It is the age at which they are just still dumb enough to fall for all that patriotic BS fed to them about "serving their country". But, let's face it. most join because they see it as a way out of poverty and an avenue to a better life. Too bad they are not told that there is a good possibility that that better life will be in the after life.

You are right about that Cliffy, it's too bad that people are at their stupidest at the very time they are making the most important decisions of their life. I think stupidity should be reserved for people in their 60s and older, at a time when we can enjoy it at the same time being too harmless to hurt others. :lol:

 

[Goober]

Are you saying that once a child reaches 18 they no longer have parents? They are still someone's child, just like you are still your mother's child, no matter how old you are. We may consider 18 to be the age of reason, but I don't agree. It is the age at which they are just still dumb enough to fall for all that patriotic BS fed to them about "serving their country". But, let's face it. most join because they see it as a way out of poverty and an avenue to a better life. Too bad they are not told that there is a good possibility that that better life will be in the after life.

my parents are both dead- Yet i am still their child- I have friends that are older than I am (55) whose Parents are still alive - thus they are still children according to whatever you seem to use as a base for this thinking.
When do we stop being a child and when do we become an adult is a topic for another thread.

In closing your reply to me is comparable to this in my opinion

And full of holes.

 

[earth_as_one]

I don't really care what happened in his youth. He must be 25 now, at least. I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I would think though, that 10 years in Gitmo would have fried his brains and he would of no use to anyone. If he is a danger, we could always deport him to his place of origin, but that might mean having to face him again on the battlefield. I have no answers because I do not have all the facts. Perhaps we should just shoot him and solve the conundrum.

If his family hates Canada, why are they still here?

That would be Canada...

Khadr at the age of 14

Born September 19, 1986
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

 

[Goober]

That would be Canada...

Khadr at the age of 14

Born September 19, 1986
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Asked a question on the Iran thread - drop over and give a reply.

 

[earth_as_one]

I'm not so certain the Khadr's hate Canada. I suspect its our wars in the middle east they hate. BTW, Khadr was in Afghanistan before 9/11 and his bomb making activities started out as part of the effort to support one side of a Afghan civil war.

Arriving at a series of mud huts and a granary filled with fresh straw surrounded by a 10-foot (3.0 m) stone wall with a green metal gate approximately 100 metres radius from the main hut, the Special Forces team saw children playing around the buildings[36][50][53][54] and an old man sleeping beneath a nearby tree.[45]

Seeing five "well-dressed" men sitting around a fire in the main residence,[54] with AK-47s visible in the room, Morris has claimed that he either approached and told the occupants, who had seen him, to open the front door[54] or that he snuck quietly back without being seen and a perimeter was set up around the complex.[45] Either way, the team waited 45 minutes for support from the soldiers searching the first residence, and at one point Morris chided the soldiers from the 82nd for setting up a defensive perimeter with their backs to the house, rather than properly covering the house itself.[45][48]

During this time, the elderly man sleeping beneath the tree awoke and began screaming loudly in Pashto, causing a number of local children to run over and interpret for the Americans, explaining that the man was "just angry". Morris took a photograph of the children standing on the road outside the compound.[45] A crowd of approximately a hundred local Afghans had gathered around the area to watch the incident unfold.[54] An Afghan militiaman was sent towards the house to demand the surrender of the occupants, but retreated under gunfire.[49]
Capt. Christopher Cirino

Reinforcements from the 3rd Platoon of Bravo Company, 1st Battalion 505th Infantry Regiment arrived under the command of Captain Christopher W. Cirino,[53][55] bringing the total number of Americans and Afghan militia to about fifty.[56] Two of Zadran's militiamen were sent into the compound to speak with the inhabitants, and returned to the Americans' position and reported that the men inside claimed to be Pashtun villagers. They were told to return to the huts, and inform the occupants that the Americans wanted to search their house regardless of their affiliation.[55] Upon hearing this, the occupants of the hut opened fire, shooting both militiamen.[50][57]

Several women immediately fled the huts and ran away while the occupants began throwing grenades at the American troops, with intermittent rifle fire. After the firefight, a statement by one of the soldiers would contradict this and say that there had only been one woman and one child present, and both were detained by US forces after exiting the huts.[49]

Morris and Silver had now taken up positions outside the stone wall, with Silver "over Morris's left shoulder explaining where he should try to position his next shot",[42] when Morris fell back into Silver, with a cut above his right eye and shrapnel embedded in his nose. Both Silver and Morris initially believed the wound was due to Morris' rifle malfunctioning, though it was later attributed to an unseen grenade.[42][51] In an alternate account of the injury, Morris has also claimed that he was inside the compound and hiding behind the granary preparing to fire a rocket-propelled grenade into a wall of the house when he was shot.[45]
Rewakowski and Worth convalescing in hospital from their grenade injuries.

Morris was dragged a safe distance from the action, and was shortly after joined by Spc. Michael Rewakowski, Pfc. Brian Worth and Spc. Christopher J. Vedvick who had also been wounded by the grenade attacks.[58]

At 0910 a request for MedEvac was sent to the 57th Medical Detachment. Ten minutes later, DUSTOFF 36 and Wings 11, a pair of UH-60s, were deployed as well as AH-64 Apaches Widowmaker 23 and Widowmaker 26 as escort. Arriving at the scene, the Apaches strafed the compound with cannon and rocket fire, while the medical helicopters remained 12 miles (19 km) from the ongoing firefight.[46] The helicopters finally landed at 1028 to load the wounded aboard DUSTOFF 36, while Brian Basham switched helicopters to take a wounded prisoner aboard WINGS 11, leaving Cpt. Michael Stone, CWO Ezekial Coffman, Spc. Jose Peru and Sgt. Frank Caudill aboard DUSTOFF 36,[59] as a pair of F-18 Hornets dropped Mark 82 bombs on the houses.[42][46]
American soldiers standing outside the compound.

At this point,[49] a five-vehicle convoy of ground reinforcements arrived including a rifle squad from the 82nd Airborne, bringing the number of troops to approximately a hundred.[56] Two of these vehicles were damaged beyond use by the militants.[49] Ten minutes later,[49] the MedEvac left for Bagram Airbase and a pair of A-10 Warthogs arrived on-scene and began attacking the houses along with the Apaches. The MedEvac arrived at Bagram Airfield at 1130.[45] [46]

Unaware that Khadr and a militant had survived the bombing, the ground forces sent a team consisting of OC-1, Silver, Speer and three Delta Force soldiers[60] through a hole in the south side of the wall, while at least two other American troops continued throwing grenades into the compound.[61]
Speer being unloaded at Bagram.

The team began picking their way over the bodies of dead animals and three fighters.[42] According to Silver's 2007 telling of the story, he then heard a sound "like a gunshot", and saw the three Delta Force soldiers duck – as a grenade flew past them and exploded near Speer, who was at the rear of the group and not wearing his helmet.[42][62][63]

OC-1 reported that although he didn't hear any gunfire, but the dust being blown from an alley on the northside of the complex led him to believe the team was under fire from a shooter between the house and barn. He reported that a grenade was also "lobbed" over the wall that led to the alley and landed 30–50 metres from the alley opening. Running towards the alley to escape the grenade which he also didn't hear detonate, OC-1 fired a dozen M4 Carbine rounds into the alley as he ran past, although he couldn't see anything due to the rising dust clouds. Crouching at the southeast entrance to the alleyway, OC-1 could see a man with a holstered pistol moving on the ground next to an AK-47, with two chest wounds. From his position, OC-1 fired a single shot into the man's head, killing him.[49]
Khadr being treated by medics.
Two soldiers kneel over the wounded Khadr.

When the dust cleared, OC-1 saw Khadr crouched on his knees facing away from the action and wounded by shrapnel that had just permanently blinded his left eye,[50] and shot him twice in the back.[49]

OC-1 estimated that all the events since entering the wall had taken less than a minute up until this point, and that he had been the only American to fire his weapon, although an American grenade had also been thrown into the living quarters after initially entering the complex.[49]
Khadr (foreground) after being pulled out from under rubble, shot twice in the back.[64]

Silver initially claimed that two Delta Force troops had opened fire, shooting all three of the shots into Khadr's chest, after the youth was seen to be holding a pistol and facing the troops.[42][50] These claims all directly contradict OC-1's version of events as the only eyewitness. OC-1 did agree however, that something was lying in the dust near Khadr's end of the alley, although he couldn't remember if it was a pistol or grenade.[49]

Entering the alleyway, OC-1 saw two dead men with a damaged AK-47 buried in rubble who he believed had been killed in the airstrikes,[49] and confirmed that the man he had shot was dead. Moving back to Khadr, OC-1 tapped the motionless youth's eye, confirming that he was still alive. Turning him over onto his back, for entering troops to secure, he began exiting the alleyway to find Speer, who he was unaware had been wounded. While leaving the alleyway, he saw a third AK-47 and several grenades.[49] Contradicting Morris' report of five well-dressed men, OC-1 maintained that a search of the rubble determined that there had only been four occupants, all found in the same alleyway.[49]

Khadr was given on-site medical attention, during which time he repeatedly asked the medics to kill him, surprising them with his English. An officer present later recorded in his diary that he was about to tell his Private Second Class to kill the wounded Khadr, when Delta Force soldiers ordered them not to harm the prisoner.[65]

He was then loaded aboard a CH-47 helicopter and flown to Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan, losing consciousness aboard the flight.[49][66]
Omar Khadr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ron in Regina]

He was born in Canada- His Grandparents were not - neither was his mother- they support Jihad- They should all be deported but first charged with child abuse.

You sure? He was born in 1986, I believe, & I'm having problems
confirming where he was born, just out'a curiosity's sake.

And the indoctrination by his father and family into Jihad had noting to do with it- Just a kindergarten for Little Terrorists is all it was.

Are you saying that once a child reaches 18 they no longer have parents? They are still someone's child, just like you are still your mother's child, no matter how old you are. We may consider 18 to be the age of reason, but I don't agree. It is the age at which they are just still dumb enough to fall for all that patriotic BS fed to them about "serving their country". But, let's face it. most join because they see it as a way out of poverty and an avenue to a better life. Too bad they are not told that there is a good possibility that that better life will be in the after life.

Little Omar is going to live with his Mother is he not? For further indoctrination?
From: Omar Khadr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Because his father, Ahmed Khadr, had raised his family in Peshawar, Pakistan since
1985, Omar spent his life moving back and forth between Canada and Pakistan. His
mother also wished to raise her family outside of Canada due to her animosity toward
Western social influences.

...and from: Khadr family - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 1986, the family was living in an apartment in Peshawar on an $800 monthly allowance.
(I'm thinking that's not Peshawar, Ontario, either)

You are right about that Cliffy, it's too bad that people are at their stupidest at the very time they are making the most important decisions of their life. I think stupidity should be reserved for people in their 60s and older, at a time when we can enjoy it at the same time being too harmless to hurt others. :lol:

From: Khadr family - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The mother, Maha el-Samnah (born 1957), a Palestinian-Canadian

That would make her...55yrs old. Not in her 60's yet.

 

[earth_as_one]

Omar Khadr was born in Toronto in 1986. He moved to Afghanistan as a baby. Omar spent his life moving back and forth between Canada and Pakistan. He was captured in 2001 before his 16th birthday.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Omar Khadr was born in Toronto in 1986. He moved to Afghanistan as a baby. Omar spent his life moving back and forth between Canada and Pakistan. He was captured in 2001 before his 16th birthday.

Cool. I was having issues finding his place of birth. Never thought of it
until I read today on the Forum that he was born in Canada.

What's your opinion of Omar's Mothers, in releasing Omar into her
hands?

 

[earth_as_one]

I support locking up Khadr until he's deemed safe.

If Khadr was treated as per International and Canadian laws regarding child soldiers and torture, he'd probably be harmless by now. Instead, I suspect Khadr has a justified hostility towards the people who broke the law to abuse him and the people who authorized these illegal activities. I hope Khadr is not a threat, but if he is and he does escape custody, I hope he is able to make the distinction between the people responsible and the rest of us... if/when he escapes custody and goes postal...

 

[Ron in Regina]

I support locking up Khadr until he's deemed safe.

If Khadr was treated as per International and Canadian laws regarding child soldiers and torture, he'd probably be harmless by now. Instead, I suspect Khadr has a justified hostility towards the people who broke the law to abuse him and the people who authorized these illegal activities. I hope Khadr is not a threat, but if he is and he does escape custody, I hope he is able to make the distinction between the people responsible and the rest of us... if/when he escapes custody and goes postal...

OK, fair enough. I'm still of two minds on the subject.

What's your opinion of Omar's Mothers, in releasing Omar into her
hands?

 

[earth_as_one]

No I am against Omar Khadr living with his mother at this time. He would have to be deemed harmless first by someone with some initials (Psy.D.) after their name who is willing to take legal responsibility for letting Khadr walk freely.

 

[Ron in Regina]

No I am against Omar Khadr living with his mother at this time. He would have to be deemed harmless first by someone with some initials (Psy.D.) after their name who is willing to take legal responsibility for letting Khadr walk freely.

Oh....nice. I like that idea. If....if Omer is to be released in Canada, I think
the absolutely worse place he could end up is under the influence of his
Mother.

I listened to her & Omar's Sister doing a radio show interview a while back,
and they're.....I can't think of any nice way to describe them. Let''s just say
they're not good.

 

[gerryh]

OMG..... Canada is allowing a born Canadian citizen back into Canada? Say it isn't so.