Keystone pipeline could be completed by 2013

EagleSmack

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No no no. They will be carrying Canadian AB synthetic, Canadian SK upgraded desulphurized heavy crude, kerogen from SK and MT, ND and points south. Multigrades all at the same time in the same pipe thanks to density.

Where the hell are the hippys going to find 36" 100% organic daisies to plug this thing?

I see these roll through my neighbourhood daily headed to USA.



It's going to happen no matter what hippys and dip****s think.

Keep em' coming!

Glugglugglug!
 

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A complete structural failure of a high strength 36-inch outer diameter pipeline with the wall thicknesses of the proposed Project pipeline (see Section 2.3.1, Table 2.3.1-1) would be a highly unlikely event. To cause such a failure, the proposed pipeline would likely need to experience a direct shear event. Such events could be caused by:

 A strike-slip fault movement across the proposed pipeline – however, the proposed pipeline corridor does not cross any known active faults;

 An anchor drag event or a collision event within a navigable river that experiences large to very large ship or barge traffic – however, all such river crossings along the proposed corridor would be crossed using HDD and the pipeline would therefore be installed well below the maximum anchor depth and outside any potential collision hazard;

 A major construction-related accidental equipment interaction with the buried pipeline – however, the proposed pipeline would be buried under a minimum of 4 feet of cover, would be clearly marked, would include warning tape (ribbons) as required by the Project-specific Special Conditions developed by PHMSA, would be predominantly routed through rural areas where such large equipment construction impacts would be rare, and Keystone would implement public awareness and damage prevention programs in accordance with 49 CFR 195.440 and API RP 1162. Additionally, the probability of puncture of the X-70 strength steel pipe of the proposed Project would be very low as its puncture resistance is in excess of 65 tons and approximately 98 percent of all excavators in North America have a maximum digging force of less than 35 tons and no excavator has a digging force greater than 40 tons;

 An intentional act of sabotage, vandalism, or terrorism – however, the pipeline would be buried with a minimum of 4 feet of cover and all aboveground facilities would include security fencing, thus reducing facility accessibility to these potential threats;

 A major flood event with the potential to cause deep scour and debris impact to the proposed pipeline – however, at major river crossings, the proposed pipeline would be installed using HDD and would therefore be below the maximum scour depth, and at all stream crossings, the proposed pipeline would be installed below the calculated scour depth;

Crude oil released from the proposed pipeline during operations or refined oil released during construction or operations into the environment may affect natural resources, protected areas, human uses and services, and aesthetics to varying degrees, depending on the cause, size, type, volume, location, season, environmental conditions, and depending on the timing and degree of response actions. Small oil spills (e.g., minor intermittent leaks and drips from construction machinery and operating equipment) would be almost certain to occur during construction and operation of the proposed Project, although in aggregate these spills could be of sufficient magnitude to substantively affect natural resources and human uses of the environment.

http://www.keystonepipeline-xl.stat..._3.13_Potential_Releases.pdf?OpenFileResource

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They forgot the most likely source of failure: internal corrosion. The transportation companies try to limit the crap coming into the line (industry standard is 0.5% BS&W (base sediment and water, which includes oil-water emulsions)) but upset conditions and condensation can occur. If there is laminar flow, water will gradually accumulate on the bottom of the pipe (because it is heavier) and it will corrode. This can be combated with corrosion inhibiting chemicals and "pigging" but it can (and probably eventually will) happen, just like the Rainbow Pipeline failures in Alberta in the last couple years.
 

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They forgot the most likely source of failure: internal corrosion. The transportation companies try to limit the crap coming into the line (industry standard is 0.5% BS&W (base sediment and water, which includes oil-water emulsions)) but upset conditions and condensation can occur. If there is laminar flow, water will gradually accumulate on the bottom of the pipe (because it is heavier) and it will corrode. This can be combated with corrosion inhibiting chemicals and "pigging" but it can (and probably eventually will) happen, just like the Rainbow Pipeline failures in Alberta in the last couple years.
It's not going to fail. The only failure is the daisy dips!its and their lack of understanding of how things work.
 

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Prior to PHMSA granting permission to operate the proposed Project, Keystone would be required to prepare and implement an ERP that would guide response actions in the event of an oil release to facilitate rapid response. Nonetheless, actual response with containment equipment and cleanup crews could be delayed due to one or more of the following factors:

 If the leak is at a remote location, visual leak detection could be difficult and reporting could be delayed;

 Locating the leak could require time searching the release area to determine where the leak originates;

 Snow, darkness, or other natural factors could hinder visual detection;

 Weather conditions, natural disasters (e.g., floods, landslides, excessive snow fall, or drifting) could delay access to the spill location, especially for larger equipment and supply vehicles; and

 Depending on spill volume, proximity, and season, the oil could reach wetlands, freshwater ponds and lakes, streams, or larger rivers thus necessitating additional time to mobilize response (see Section 3.13.5.1).

3.13.5.1

Physical, Temporal, and Environmental Factors Affecting Hazardous Liquid Spill Impacts

Impacts related to hazardous liquid spills could be affected by the release location, type and volume of material released, nearby receptors and resource uses, seasonal variations, weather, water levels, and other factors that are described below.

Location of Spill

During construction, some refined product spills may occur from tank truck accidents along roads leading to the construction sites. Some of these spills may result in much or all of a load being spilled to the land, wetlands, ponds and lakes, or flowing waterbodies adjacent to the road or pad. The maximum volume of gasoline or diesel from a tank trunk would be about 9,000 gallons (214 bbl) for diesel or gasoline and approximately 330 gallons (7.9 bbl) for lubricating or hydraulic fluid (i.e., six 55-gallon drums on a pallet). These spills would likely have limited areal extent unless they occurred at or very near an open water body.

Spills during operation and maintenance of the proposed pipeline would for the most part involve crude oil. Based on experience, spills resulting from excavation damage would likely occur in urban/suburban areas and some agricultural areas where water-conveying canal excavation activities below four feet of depth are common. The locations of greatest concern for potential oil spills would be those that are up-gradient of HCAs, especially water intakes for public drinking water or commercial/industrial users and USAs, especially wetlands, flowing streams and rivers, and similar critical habitats.

http://www.keystonepipeline-xl.stat..._3.13_Potential_Releases.pdf?OpenFileResource


It will cross the Sandhills in Nebraska, the large wetland ecosystem, and the Ogallala Aquifer, one of the largest reserves of fresh water in the world.[32] The Ogallala Aquifer spans eight states, provides drinking water for two million people, and supports $20 billion in agriculture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_XL
 
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taxslave

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Would it by chance be refined in Texas?

I doubt that this Canada-USA Pipeline is simply a conduit for Canadian export.

We don't import oil any longer?
Apparently your fellow country men have a problem with oil sands products. Which is fine by us. There are lots of others with cash.
 

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The trans canada pipeline go's right through communities in Alberta and B.C. and there has never been any problems,TCPL is very strict about things.They dont skimp on anything when it comes to compliance.

Apparently your fellow country men have a problem with oil sands products. Which is fine by us. There are lots of others with cash.

Ya,the french are building their own oilsands mine in Alberta.
 

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What's been left out of the ferocious debate over the pipeline, however, is the prospect that if president Obama allows a permit for the Keystone XL to be granted, he would be handing a big victory and great financial opportunity to Charles and David Koch, his bitterest political enemies and among the most powerful opponents of his clean economy agenda.

The two brothers together own virtually all of Koch Industries Inc. — a giant oil conglomerate headquartered in Wichita, Kan., with annual revenues estimated to be $100 billion.

The Koch brothers are not run-of-the-mill political opponents. An investigative report last year by the New Yorker magazine on the secretive and deep-pocketed pair have shown them to be "waging a war against Obama."

After the 2010 midterm elections, they have become established at the center of GOP power, according to The Los Angeles Times. The paper reported this week that Koch Industries and its employees formed the largest single oil and gas donor to members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee.


Koch Brothers Positioned To Be Big Winners If Keystone XL Pipeline Is Approved
 

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The trans canada pipeline go's right through communities in Alberta and B.C. and there has never been any problems,TCPL is very strict about things.They dont skimp on anything when it comes to compliance.



Ya,the french are building their own oilsands mine in Alberta.

IU was thinking more of China and India since both have cash and would promote a pipe to the west coast and all the jobs that go with it.
 

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Apparently your fellow country men have a problem with oil sands products. Which is fine by us. There are lots of others with cash.

Correction... not all of my fellow country men do. I'm all for Canadian oil sand products

Nevertheless, this crude will be going to the U.S and Texas refineries if all goes as planned.

IU was thinking more of China and India since both have cash and would promote a pipe to the west coast and all the jobs that go with it.

I get the feeling that you are against the Canada-US pipeline?
 

wulfie68

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It's not going to fail. The only failure is the daisy dips!its and their lack of understanding of how things work.

Everything fails eventually. Saying it doesn't is like saying the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. I'll agree that there are a lot of "environmentalists" that wouldn't know a clue if it jumped up and bit them in the @$$ but that same statement is true for a lot of industry types, mostly MBAs and bean countering types but also engineers who don't believe in proper maintenance and inspection of their facilities...

The trans canada pipeline go's right through communities in Alberta and B.C. and there has never been any problems,TCPL is very strict about things.They dont skimp on anything when it comes to compliance.

You need to do more research. TransCanada has had failures on transmission lines, some of them making national news. Sometimes its not their fault (I recall one on a TransCanada Midstream line north of Grande Prairie, AB that was caused by bulldozer with a ripper on the back going down too deep and ripping into the pipe and creating a huge fireball... incinerating the operator of the bulldozer), sometimes it was the result of what has been deemed Stress Corrosion Cracking.

And the thing to remember about compliance with both codes and government standards: they are a benchmarks for MINIMUM requirements, and often are watered down because of political considerations.

I don't mean to imply that TCPL won't do things right but I also think we need to be realists towards them, as well as the enviro-nuts.
 

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Canada should be more concerned with replacing the pipelines going to Eastern Canada that are being put out of service as they age. Having to 'import Western oil' from the US is going to be very expensive.
 

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Everything fails eventually. Saying it doesn't is like saying the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. I'll agree that there are a lot of "environmentalists" that wouldn't know a clue if it jumped up and bit them in the @$$ but that same statement is true for a lot of industry types, mostly MBAs and bean countering types but also engineers who don't believe in proper maintenance and inspection of their facilities...



You need to do more research. TransCanada has had failures on transmission lines, some of them making national news. Sometimes its not their fault (I recall one on a TransCanada Midstream line north of Grande Prairie, AB that was caused by bulldozer with a ripper on the back going down too deep and ripping into the pipe and creating a huge fireball... incinerating the operator of the bulldozer), sometimes it was the result of what has been deemed Stress Corrosion Cracking.

And the thing to remember about compliance with both codes and government standards: they are a benchmarks for MINIMUM requirements, and often are watered down because of political considerations.

I don't mean to imply that TCPL won't do things right but I also think we need to be realists towards them, as well as the enviro-nuts.

As an x juinor pipeline inspector I know a little about the field and times have changed since most of the problem pipe was laid down.
Corners were cut years ago and the failures you see today are because of this.Pipe can fail after a certain time period but they can predict very accurately when it will fail if it was laid down and handled properly.Thats why theres allways inspectors on these jobs,one small scratch on a pipe coating can shorten it's lifespan by ten years.With most material falling under ISO guideline consistency is assured so any premature failures are allmost allways because of someone not following policies and procedures.
I've been to many line decommisions and most all are over 20 years old and most all were done not to code.When you dig it back up you can see where shortcuts were taken like not burying it to specs or it being scratched by chains or equipment.

I work with TCPL a lot as lots of my work involves crossing their lines and it's not an easy thing to even cross one of their ROW's with heavy equipment.

The reason I got out of the inspection field was because I didnt like being the fall guy,you will be in court answering enviro charges if someone under your watch screws up.I literally had stacks and stacks of binders in my truck that I had to read every day to make sure I was following all Canada and Alberta's laws but also Encanna's which were far more stricter.
So your base rate as a junior might be over $900.00 a day but it wasnt worth it.

One thing i'm curious about and thats if they can share the ROW that TCPL uses right now?
Maybe widen it a few meters and that would save the mountains from haveing another ugly gash in it.
The power companies are doing it,Fortis and Altalink now share ROW's,sometimes they even share poles but thats mainly near Banff so that place is hard to build anything in with all the folks and tourists there.But it makes sense as most older ROW's are huge and have room for more lines.

Canada should be more concerned with replacing the pipelines going to Eastern Canada that are being put out of service as they age. Having to 'import Western oil' from the US is going to be very expensive.

All the easterners will be in Alberta working in the oilsands so it wont matter.We were going to turn the taps off next year anyways!
 

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All the easterners will be in Alberta working in the oilsands so it wont matter.We were going to turn the taps off next year anyways!
I still think there should be some uses for the natural (low grade) sands but whatever.
Remember to put in deep pilings as there is a reason they nicknamed the place MuckMurray
 

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The trans canada pipeline go's right through communities in Alberta and B.C. and there has never been any problems,TCPL is very strict about things.They dont skimp on anything when it comes to compliance.
LEDCOR had to pack up shop from XL in Regina.

I wonder who'll get the tender now?
 

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LEDCOR had to pack up shop from XL in Regina.

I wonder who'll get the tender now?

Frikken CLAC bag li**ers! That union still owes me 3 years of union dues,they are the reason lots of bad pipe got laid down as their rat contractors put Bannister and every other major pipeline contractor except chinook pipeline out of bussiness.
So most bad pipe can be linked back to CLAC rat contractors,wait ten years and you will see lots of failures on their spreads.
This is the same union that was responsible for hireing rat contractors to build leaky condo roofs in Vancouver.
I was in the IUOE then so I know all about them.
 

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CLAC isn't a union. Banister is still around. They did the retrofit on TCPL Keystone from gas to oil.

Banister hires from the halls and gets quality and strict safety.