Yeah, symbolic ties that when real things happen in the world reveal how much of a joke the whole concept is. If the shared monarchy had any real meaning, the Queen being at war with herself would be impossible.
Keep the Monarchy!
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Yeah, symbolic ties that when real things happen in the world reveal how much of a joke the whole concept is. If the shared monarchy had any real meaning, the Queen being at war with herself would be impossible.
Probably could?!? There's no question about it but the right bank and Montreal is an easy annexation; and Quebec City can absorb all the Francophone refugees they want.
There is a Corporation in the City of London that is called "The Crown". In today's system the "reign" of the royal family is through "the Crown" and it's subsidiary ventures.
We are one of those ventures.
We are one of those ventures.
Many Canadians passionately support the monarchy. Republican Canadians will never convince them to commit what they perceive as treason. I understand Canadian republicans, and their reasons for getting rid of the monarchy. The effort to make Canada a republic would be very division and if it succeeded, it would change little of consequence.
Time is on the side of Republicans, since each generation of Canadians feels less of a connection to the Queen than the previous. Eventually an overwhelming majority of Canadians will support becoming a republic and it will happen on its own, without a huge fight or significant division. Republicans should be patient and wait until the time is right. Obviously to many Canadians aren't ready for this change.
Time is on the side of Republicans, since each generation of Canadians feels less of a connection to the Queen than the previous. Eventually an overwhelming majority of Canadians will support becoming a republic and it will happen on its own, without a huge fight or significant division. Republicans should be patient and wait until the time is right. Obviously to many Canadians aren't ready for this change.
Eventually the world will implode, eventually we will be living on Mars, eventually this and eventually that.
Not a convincing argument and if current demographic trends are indicative than most of us won't recognize Canada in 2050, so it not will matter then whether our current convictions (monarchism or otherwise) are in contrast to younger generations
Most Canadians under 30 don't care about the monarchy. But some very old money in Canada remains loyal to the crown and they have more pull. Republicans will have to wait for those old people to croak.
Go back to what? Are you mad too? Why are you all so mad?
Really, I think most people just don't care. Even if more people support getting rid of the monarchy, you'd still need enough people to actually care to do it.
Actually, I can see an alternative to the monarchy. The main advantage I see in the monarchy is having a non-partisan head of state all can respect as a symbol of unity. Now let's suppose we reformed our electoral system whereby we banned political campaigns and parties, introduced pure write-in ballots (i.e. blank ballots with no names on them and you write in the name of the candidate of your choice, with the win going to the plurality), then we'd essentially have a non-partisan Parliament consisting of the most respected members of the community (after all, since we write in the candidate of our choice, we'd essentially all be voter-candidates by definition, the winner taking his seat along the same principles as jury duty), people the whole community can trust, people the whole community, regardless of political affiliation, could rally around.
This would also get megalomaniacs out of power in Parliament too. We'd likely end up with a much more respectable parliament consisting of philosopher kings of sorts.
This would also get megalomaniacs out of power in Parliament too. We'd likely end up with a much more respectable parliament consisting of philosopher kings of sorts.
I'd think that a monarchy fancier like you Machjo, with your idealized view of a national symbol we can all respect, might have paid some attention to our Queen's successor. Elizabeth Windsor-Mountbatten seems nice enough. Very grandmotherly. Reminds me of my grandmother actually, minus the wealth that is. But you think we can all respect a man like her son Charles? Have you not heard of the Dauphin's political meddling?
And that's where I think reforming our electoral system could serve as an alternative. By introducing the blank ballot whereby we vote for the best citizen, the plurality taking the mandate every five years, we'd likely end up with a much higher-quality Parliament, and a non-political one to boot. While we would not have a person to look up to, we'd have a much more respectable institution to look up too than the kindergarten we currently call Parliament. That could serve as an alternative.
Another possible option if we should adopt a republican system would be something like the German one whereby the president, unlike his equivalent in France and the US, and more like the monarch in Commonwealth Realms, would be non-partisan and chosen, a little like our Governor General, from among respectable members of the community.
Keep the Monarchy. Especially sine there is no real proof or guarantee that a republic will be beneficial for this country materially or socially. Show me soneone who firmly believes that dumping the Monarchy will be better for Canada and I'll show you delusion.
Retired_Can_Soldier: Kudos on the post. Very well done.
Retired_Can_Soldier: Kudos on the post. Very well done.
many just want what they don't have, and how many years after the monarchy is gone, will there be
big protestors wanting a monarchy.
it's like voters, one party is in power, then, the other one gets in,
I think it's just the 'fans' getting tired of one, so lets have the other, it's just entertainment,
we are all so spoiled in canada, with such a good life, we need to create problems so as 'not' to
get bored.
The monarchy is harmless, but has great heritage for us canadians, but many want to create a feeling
that they are harmful, can't figure that one out, just like the voters I guess, got it, so don't
want it.
If they were causing us pain, and suffering, and creating a situation where our lives were in
danger, we were being shot at if we protested, or spoke up, but we can say the most vile things,
and get away with it, and march the streets, and give our opinions on forums, and on the radio, etc.
We are always complaining about the government spending too much money stupidly, well, that would
be a big one, for no particular reason at all, well maybe, (just because).
We are never satisfied.
This is a great self-congratulatory thread you have going here, where you can all get nostalgic about a mythologized past, psychoanalyze the social deficiencies of republicans and snarl impotently at groups of people you don't like. In the other thread, people have actually tried to debate.
Seems that this kind of thread is the norm around here. No one listens to each other and some unhinged posters hurl insults around like they're massively trying to overcompensate for something.
Seems that this kind of thread is the norm around here. No one listens to each other and some unhinged posters hurl insults around like they're massively trying to overcompensate for something.
Never mind Gerry....he has little dog syndrome.........
You know, little dogs....the ones that can't make an impression by yapping, aren't big enough to do more than nip....
So they pee on your shoes.