uh-huhYou are confusing right wing with holy rollers.Not necessarily the same thing.
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uh-huhYou are confusing right wing with holy rollers.Not necessarily the same thing.
You mean we really are made in the image of God and can do god stuff like create? The musty 3500 year old book was right after all? Huh! Who knew?And for saying science stops when they want it to, despite how science continually advances and changes once "known" things.
You are confusing right wing with holy rollers.Not necessarily the same thing.
Like what? Arent lefties supposed to be dead by now from climate change?Uh, no, no confusion at all.
Seen plenty of non-holy roller conservatives freak out when science has pushed past "their beliefs on science".
Like what? Arent lefties supposed to be dead by now from climate change?
Science, or lefty dogma?Uh, no, no confusion at all.
Seen plenty of non-holy roller conservatives freak out when science has pushed past "their beliefs on science".
I think that’s a perspective thing. Humans tend to reject guidance/knowledge that goes against their “belief system” or first hand experiences, etc…both ‘right’ & ‘left’ politically leaning.Yeah well that was a sarcastic dig at the right wing who love to reject science when it doesn't fit their narrative.
But true, lefty types also think that way sometimes.
Just righty's are more known for it…..
…just shows where you perceive yourself on the political spectrum I believe.…Just righty's are more known for it….
Yeah, what he said.There is also the problem that science is almost never settled. Often everyone has difficulty believing what they have been told for decades is all of a sudden wrong.
Regardless of their political or religious (or lack there of) leanings. Dogma can become entrenched for many reasons beyond political or religious leanings too, like social acceptance or financial motivation among a myriad of other motivating factors.…Often everyone has difficulty believing what they have been told for decades is all of a sudden wrong.
IPCC says no crisis but who cares?Science, or lefty dogma?
There is also the problem that science is almost never settled. Often everyone has difficulty believing what they have been told for decades is all of a sudden wrong.
Science, or lefty dogma?
There is also the problem that science is almost never settled. Often everyone has difficulty believing what they have been told for decades is all of a sudden wrong.
I think that’s a perspective thing. Humans tend to reject guidance/knowledge that goes against their “belief system” or first hand experiences, etc…both ‘right’ & ‘left’ politically leaning.
The ‘right’ will see it more as a ‘left trait’ & the ‘left’ will see it more as a ‘right trait’ but it’s a human trait. Your statement of:
…just shows where you perceive yourself on the political spectrum I believe.
Personally, I think the more interesting part of this (which could also be a perspective thing) is debate (or the dismissal there of) on a political (or religious…two different but sometimes intersecting things) basis of scientific conclusions…knowing that science is a culture of doubt itself and is suppose to be questioned in a constant testing of theories to obtained evidence, or newly obtained (or observed) evidence.
Take OOPArt (Out Of Place Artifacts) for example. If the science says they shouldn’t exist, but they do….is the artifact wrong (?) or does the current scientific theory need to be re-examined? “Dogs & Foxes can’t possibly mate….except here’s one” doesn’t make that critter not exist, but does create a position for scientific theory to be re-examined.
Yeah, what he said..
Regardless of their political or religious (or lack there of) leanings. Dogma can become entrenched for many reasons beyond political or religious leanings too, like social acceptance or financial motivation among a myriad of other motivating factors.
We are going to have to change the whole right/left thing. Traditionally, left wing has meant socialist, but there are many on what we call left that are far closer to fascist than socialist.
I'm thinking of the globull warming truthers, maskers, and the race baiters, that are demanding criminal sanctions for anyone questioning their version of truth.
…I'm thinking of the globull warming truthers, maskers, and the race baiters, that are demanding criminal sanctions for anyone questioning their version of truth….
Or as an example or this, as opposed to seeking a label:You think they're what, fascists or socialists?
Or this:There is also the problem that science is almost never settled. Often everyone has difficulty believing what they have been told for decades is all of a sudden wrong.
…knowing that science is a culture of doubt itself and is suppose to be questioned in a constant testing of theories to obtained evidence, or newly obtained (or observed) evidence.
Like this:Take OOPArt (Out Of Place Artifacts) for example…
Critter being the Fox-Dog thing…that exists.…If the science says they shouldn’t exist, but they do….is the artifact wrong (?) or does the current scientific theory need to be re-examined? “Dogs & Foxes can’t possibly mate….except here’s one” doesn’t make that “critter” not exist…
…but not if it’s illegal to question the dogma. I “think” that’s where Taxslave2 was going…but does create a position for scientific theory to be re-examined.
WOW, are you ever confused. Or deliberately stupid.You asked if I was confusing right wing with the holy rollers.
Only confusion seems to come from you.
If only the right wingers would get that.
Definately fascist. But they hide behind a socialist fog. Socialism is supposed to be all abut the common good. Making it a criminal offence to even question a theory or position on a subject is fascist. That puts them up there with the religious fruitcakes that claim there is only one true gawd, and conveniently it is the one their religion subscribes to, out of about 5000 religions in the world.You think they're what, fascists or socialists?
Scientists tend to say "incomplete" rather than "wrong," but your point is well taken, it amounts to the same thing in any practical sense. Only the trivial can be considered settled, but what's trivial changes over time too. It's now considered trivially true that Earth orbits the sun, for instance, but it's not really very long ago that that was a highly controversial claim. Science is ultimately self-correcting, but it might take a long time, as a human enterprise science suffers from all the same weaknesses any human enterprise does: ego, received wisdom, authority, dogma, vested interests, fashion, etc. Isaac Asimov once wrote something to the effect that people once thought the world was flat, then they thought it was a sphere, both are wrong, but anyone who thinks the latter idea is just as wrong as the former is more wrong than both. Some philosopher of science (Thomas Kuhn I think it was) once observed that new scientific theories don't so much supplant old ones, what he called a paradigm shift, as that the old guard dies off and is replaced by younger folks who grew up with the new ideas. Einstein, for instance, never accepted quantum mechanics and put much effort into trying to find holes in it, to no avail. That's perfectly legitimate scientific activity, it's a culture of doubt as Ron remarked, but a lot of people have trouble thinking that way, they want an answer, and sometimes any answer seems better than no answer, while the scientific attitude is okay with not knowing something, it gives scientists something to do and justifies continuing the enterprise. I think it was Richard Feynman who once said that he'd rather not know than believe something that isn't true.There is also the problem that science is almost never settled. Often everyone has difficulty believing what they have been told for decades is all of a sudden wrong.
WOW, are you ever confused. Or deliberately stupid.
Definately fascist. But they hide behind a socialist fog. Socialism is supposed to be all abut the common good.
Making it a criminal offence to even question a theory or position on a subject is fascist.
That puts them up there with the religious fruitcakes that claim there is only one true gawd, and conveniently it is the one their religion subscribes to, out of about 5000 religions in the world.
Like Bills C-10 (now called C-11) and Bill C-18 (Trudeau’s Big Daddy decides what’s misinformation or cisinformation or disinformation and can censor accordingly Bill). Proof like those (?) or the push to even question that Residential Schools Mass Unmarked Graves becoming a criminal offence push (?) or something else?As for your "the globull warming truthers, maskers, and the race baiters, that are demanding criminal sanctions for anyone questioning their version of truth." you do have proof, I suppose, that these people are taking over and making it a criminal offence to question theories or positions on a subject?
Yes, currently, that’s still the way it is. Bill C-11 passed April 27th, 2023 and it’s coming. Bill C-18 isn’t in effect yet, but the “within 180 days of June 22nd, 2023” clock is already ticking.Last I checked, you can still deny global warming, still refuse masks and, well... the race thing is complicated. You'd have to clarify what you mean by race baiters.
Like Bills C-10 (now called C-11) and Bill C-18 (Trudeau’s Big Daddy decides what’s misinformation or cisinformation or disinformation and can censor accordingly Bill). Proof like those (?) or the push to even question that Residential Schools Mass Unmarked Graves becoming a criminal offence push (?) or something else?
Yes, currently, that’s still the way it is. Bill C-11 passed April 27th, 2023 and it’s coming. Bill C-18 isn’t in effect yet, but the “within 180 days of June 22nd, 2023” clock is already ticking.
Damn sneaky bastard Right Wingers & their Right Winginess with those censorship bills. They’re even framing it so it looks like the left wingers are bringing these down on Canadians, ‘cuz choices…& political winginess’s (plural?).