Jesus:the rock of our salvation

AnnaG

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Perhaps he lives in a time warp.

How a hallucination can also be solid like a rock is a mystery. There is no proof of Jesus existence but we can prove the existence of rocks. But I have never heard of a rock saving anybody, especially their souls.
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And I see nothing wrong with building on sand. One just has to make sure the house is buoyant. :)
 

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"Thou art Petros, and upon this Petros I will build My church,"

The bizarre thing about rocks are that they can store a lot of information in energy form.

They can change the resonance of the immediate environment and they grow into complex forms without any instructions from outside sources.

All the hail the silicate God!

The rock church is an important key(stone) to tuning ones mind to a specific frequency to be in contact with God.

It's like a crystal radio that tunes into your noggin'.

Oh yeah pyramids too. They are God's temple in the middle of Egypt built by the tribe of Shem. The REAL Shemites.

Pyramid...fire in the middle of your MIND.

Chew on that for a while...
 
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Battle cry? It's come to that again, has it. Whoop de doo. Have you any idea how deeply offensive that is to non Christians and why they perceive it as dangerous?
 

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Battle cry? It's come to that again, has it. Whoop de doo. Have you any idea how deeply offensive that is to non Christians and why they perceive it as dangerous?
Kill a commie for Christ!
Nuke the whales for Christ!
Now it is: Kill an atheist (or a Muslim) for Christ.

My how we have progressed.

Jesus:the rock of our salvation

Jesus: the rock in our heads.
 

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Let me hear your battle cry!!!

Christ is King!
Christ is King!!
Christ is King!!!!
(And by battle I mean a battle for hearts and minds, just to be clear;))
Your exultation is unseemly, and I'd rather not have people battling for my heart and mind. There's too much of the "this is for your own good" attitude about it. Besides, they're mine, you can't have them.
 

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Of course. I know my Biblos. I'm not some new comer to Christianity who sucked the glass dick and had an epiphany while in a cocaine induced psychosis.

Is Peter the rock on which the Church is built?


"And I also say to you that you are Petros, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades shall not overpower it," (Matt. 16:18).
The Roman Catholic Church Puts a great deal of emphasis on Peter and claims that Jesus said he would build his church on him.

  1. Simon Peter holds the first place in the college of the Twelve; Jesus entrusted a unique mission to him. Through a revelation from the Father, Peter had confessed: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Our Lord then declared to him: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." Christ, the "living Stone", thus assures his Church, built on Peter, of victory over the powers of death. Because of the faith he confessed Peter will remain the unshakable rock of the Church. His mission will be to keep this faith from every lapse and to strengthen his brothers in it." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, par. 552).
  2. "By the word "rock" the Saviour cannot have meant Himself, but only Peter, as is so much more apparent in Aramaic in which the same word (Kipha) is used for "Peter" and "rock". His statement then admits of but one explanation, namely, that He wishes to make Peter the head of the whole community of those who believed in Him as the true Messias; that through this foundation (Peter) the Kingdom of Christ would be unconquerable; that the spiritual guidance of the faithful was placed in the hands of Peter, as the special representative of Christ."
 
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"And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades shall not overpower it,"

And I don't get that reading it. I see Jesus saying to Peter that he will build his church on a rock, not Peter the person. From all other accounts, Mary was the head apostle and his church was to be built on her faith. But of course, Constantine could not allow a mere woman be head of his new religion. Paul had already done a great job of marginalizing women.
 

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"And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades shall not overpower it,"

And I don't get that reading it. I see Jesus saying to Peter that he will build his church on a rock, not Peter the person. From all other accounts, Mary was the head apostle and his church was to be built on her faith. But of course, Constantine could not allow a mere woman be head of his new religion. Paul had already done a great job of marginalizing women.
Peter is derived from Petros or "rock" in Greek. He was Petros long before ever being called Peter.
 

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If one of my sister in-laws is freed up I'll let you know. My home is now an "empty nest" and I plan on keeping it that way.
 

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Great! I take that generous dowry and save it for a rainy day! :)
Yup. One is sitting a good dowry. She is a housekeeper. Married twice prior and kept both houses. You might have to join the Taliban to create the vacancy though. Current hubby is a Gunnery man out of CFB Shilo.
 

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"Behold I stand before thee there upon the Rock of Horeb; and thou shalt smite the Rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so, in the sight of the elders hou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation." Deut 32:15.

"Of the Rock that begat thee, thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee." Deut 32:18.

"How should one chase a thousand and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up. For their Rock is not our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges." Deut 32:30,31.

"There is none holy as the Lord: for there is none beside Thee: neither is there any Rock like our God." 1 Sam 2:2.

"The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spoke unto me, He that rules over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God." 2 Sam 23:3.

"I will love Thee, O Lord my strength. The Lord is my Rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in Whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower." Ps 18:1,2.

"For Who is our God save the Lord? Or Who is our Rock save our God?" Ps 18:31.

"The Lord lives and blessed be the Rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted." Ps 18:46.

"Unto Thee will I cry, O Lord my Rock: be Thou not silent to me: lest if Thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down to the pit." Ps 28:1.

"He shall cry unto me, Thou art my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation." Ps 89:26.

"But the Lord is my defense; and my God is the Rock of my refuge." Ps 94:22.

"O come let us sing unto the Lord: let us make a joyful noise to the Rock of our salvation." Ps 95:1.

"The pride of thy heart has deceived you, thou that dwells in the cleft of the Rock, whose habitation is high; that says in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?" Ob 3.

"AND DID ALL DRINK THE SAME SPIRITUAL DRINK: FOR THEY DRANK OF THAT SPIRITUAL ROCK WHICH FOLLOWED THEM: AND THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST." 1 Cor 10:4.
Saving from the troubles and misery is the general sense of the word saving. In spiritual sense saving means cutting all the worldly bonds and establishing real bond with God, Who alone is the truth. God is truth. This means that God is infinite power. The creation is just His imagination and is almost not true. The imagining person is said to truly exist. The world, which is just His imagination and which is completely not nothing. The world is made of an iota of energy of God. God is like the infinite ocean of energy. Compared to God the world is almost nothing. Thus this entire creation is under the full control of God. Just like the person doing some imagination creates an imaginary world in him, God created this imaginary world in Him. The imagining person can fully control the world. He can transform any item into any other item. He can raise a dead body in His imaginary world. All the miracles of human incarnations can be explained only by this concept.

God who is present in the human incarnation does all these miracles only to establish this concept. If the world is equally true, then the world is equally powerful to God. In such case God cannot do whatever He likes. Since the world is least powerful and God is most powerful, God controls the entire world like a very strong person controlling very weak person. Thus the word truth indicates the omnipotent nature of God. When we say that this world is not true, it indicates the negligible power of the world. Suppose a small ant is on your shirt, will you say that yourself and the ant are present in the house? The ant is negligible and is treated as nothing. Therefore, a person who knows this concept surrenders to God and accepts Him as the saviour. In his eyes the entire world looks like an ant before God. You are a tiny particle in this ant-world. You can understand your position by putting a relative scale.

Assume that this ant is Infinite Ocean of energy. You are an iota of that ocean. This means your power is negligible before the power of this entire nature. The world is like the ocean and you are like a drop in it. God is like the ocean and the world a drop in God. You must understand this simile not in terms of volume but in terms of the intensity of the power. When we utter the word God, we immediately imagine Him as a very large figure with unlimited boundaries. The space is largest but as no power as it is treated has nothing. The atom bomb is very small but it has enormous power. Therefore, our idea about God should not be in terms of the three-dimensional space. When a person imagines a large city, the city is very huge but the person is very small. But that small person has created, maintains and finally dissolves this huge city. He can do anything in this huge city. Infact He is standing outside this huge city. When He wants to enter into this huge imaginary city, He will imagine a small form and He identifies Himself with that form. That small form represents the outside person. This imagined form, which is identified by the outside person, is treated as the outside person directly. This imagined small form is the human incarnation. The outside person is God. The imaginary huge city is this world.

Thus God identifies Himself with the human incarnation. From this angle the human incarnation and the God are one and the same. There is another angle in which the human incarnation is not the original God but a part and parcel of God. In this angle God and the human incarnation are treated as father and son. You can experience the Father only through this Son. In the third angle the human incarnation is just sent by God into this world as a messenger with some power. Jesus talked this truth in all the three angles. Jesus can save any human being who has any one of these three angles. Acceptance of Jesus as your saviour is the essential step in the spiritual effort. Here Jesus means the human incarnation in general. Only God is the saviour. But you cannot approach God directly. Only through the human incarnation you can approach God. This means you should accept the human incarnation as that very God. In such case only the human incarnation becomes your saviour.

God is like free electrons flowing in the atmosphere. These Electrons are the electricity. Then can you heat water by keeping the vessel containing water in the atmosphere? When these Electrons enter a medium like the metallic wire, you can heat water. If the medium is human form it is most convenient for you to clear your doubts, to love and to serve Him. Therefore, acceptance of Jesus as your Saviour means that you should accept the human incarnation as your saviour. It is told that Jesus will come again. This means that the human incarnation is coming in every human generation.

Otherwise, if one generation was only blessed by such fortune, the other generations will charge God as partial and such charge is justified. Therefore, if you think that Jesus means only that particular human incarnation, which came about 2000 years back, you have lost the whole concept. Through a particular example generalization must be made. If you say that sodium atom is indivisible it means the atom of any element is indivisible. If you say that Daniel is born, it means that every human being will be born. If this basic analysis is lost, the entire spiritual castle falls down due to the absence of its foundation.
 

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This means that God is infinite power. The creation is just His imagination and is almost not true. The imagining person is said to truly exist.
Is that imaginary fear or the real dael?
Heb.10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.