James Hansen on Climate Change

Zipperfish

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Yup.

Don't be alarmed but we live in an ice age that has been intensifying for the past 5 million years.

We got lucky and were born during the peak of a cyclical warming and cooling phenomenon that has been running smoothly since the middle of the Pleistocene.

Prior to that the cycles were every 100ky(kilo year) and 41ky

In the past 350,000 years there have been 9 interglacial periods where temperatures and gases (yes, GHGs, CO2, CH4..the works and the dealiest of them all dihydrogen monoxidide) have peaked and then plummeted almost instantly back into full on freeze your tits off continental glaciation all 100% without the help of man.

The10th continental glaciation is approaching faster than anyone is prepared for.

It's 100% guaranteed and if some green bean tries to tell you otherwise they are without question off their fvcking rocker and a bane on mankind that needs to be eliminated immediatly to preserve the DNA of the sane and strong as we go into another cold period of human history which only the sane and strong can survive.

The interesting thiong about this post ifs that you presumably gathered all that informationindirectly from research by climate scientists--the same ones who are now saying that anthropogenic emissions of CO2 are altering the climate. So why do you accept some of their findings and not others? IO mean, if climate science is as crappy as you guys say it is, then how do you know there's been nine interglacial periods. Maybe there's been 25. Or none. Heck, who knows?
 

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The interesting thiong about this post ifs that you presumably gathered all that informationindirectly from research by climate scientists--the same ones who are now saying that anthropogenic emissions of CO2 are altering the climate. So why do you accept some of their findings and not others? IO mean, if climate science is as crappy as you guys say it is, then how do you know there's been nine interglacial periods. Maybe there's been 25. Or none. Heck, who knows?
Geologists have a different way of tracking climate that works. Things you've never heard of or ever knew existed.

The google servers are smoking looking for the geological climate method....

Need a hint?
 
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All other scientific research is NULL unless you have been given the title Climate Scientist AND stick to the script.
 

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Geologists have a different way of tracking climate that works. Things you've never heard of or ever knew existed.

The google servers are smoking looking for the geological climate method....

Need a hint?

Science discovers climate associated with geology.
 

Zipperfish

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You're close. Geology uses isotopes delta-O-18 to delta-O-16 ratios in calcite from plankton to determine paleo-climate.

The same. Inferred temperatures based on proxy data.

Is there a discrepancy between what geologists find and other proxy data (ice cores, sediment, tree rings, etc) ?
 

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Yup. They are several overlapping cyclial events that cause variations. Do you know what they are? We're suffering from one right now. Super nasty droughts in the Mid West and record snows and storms in Alaska. What did it?

Get those google servers humming.

All other scientific research is NULL unless you have been given the title Climate Scientist AND stick to the script.

Did anyone ever come up with a definition for what a Climate Scientist is yet or are people still believing the fiction of a discipline named as such?
 

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Yup. They are several overlapping cyclial events that cause variations. Do you know what they are? We're suffering from one right now. Super nasty droughts in the Mid West and record snows and storms in Alaska. What did it?

Get those google servers humming.

I know a few of them. Milankovitch cycles. 11-year sunspot cycle. El Nino/La Nina, Pacific decadal oscillation, Saturn ascending in Capricorn :lol:



Did anyone ever come up with a definition for what a Climate Scientist is yet or are people still believing the fiction of a discipline named as such?

I'm going to go with a scietnists that publishes peer-reviewed paper concerning climate.
 

petros

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Clap, clap clap, you can use google. So which one is being blamed on CO2 that is causing today's issues?

Peer reviewed by other "Climate Scientists"?

That's like all the gay Disney characters voting to decide which female Disney character has the nicest tits.

None of them are real and the tits are all drawn.
 

Zipperfish

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Clap, clap clap, you can use google. So which one is being blamed on CO2 that is causing today's issues?

Peer reviewed by other "Climate Scientists"?

That's like all the gay Disney characters voting to decide which female Disney character has the nicest tits.

None of them are real and the tits are all drawn.

The fact that you are being somewhat coy with your cards here doesn't engender much faith in me that you have much to reveal.

If you have a case, by all means, present it. There are any number of cycles, and data to support them.. The unanswered question is what happenes when you apply a small but consistent forcing of anthropogenic CO2 on top of teh cycle.
 

petros

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The answer is obvious, which shows your lack of knowledge is peripheral at best.

It's the melting of the glaciers in the mountain near Ramona CA that are cooling the Pacific off the California and Baja Coast to the point where there isnt enough humidity and energy to carry moisture over the Sierras let alone the Rockies where it cools and falls as rain on the plains in summer and water was stored in winter in the Rockies and on the northern plains as snow that fed the watersheds of MT WY, The Dakotas that fed the Missouri and Colorado rivers and made it rain in the spring and summer and have skewed inland climate patterns

It was all caused by melting glaciers in the Sierras which were triggered by CO2 induced heating. is that how it works? It was CO2 that did the identical thing 80 years ago too I bet?
 

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The answer is obvious, which shows your lack of knowledge is peripheral at best.

It's the melting of the glaciers in the mountain near Ramona CA that are cooling the Pacific off the California and Baja Coast to the point where there isnt enough humidity and energy to carry moisture over the Sierras let alone the Rockies where it cools and falls as rain on the plains in summer and water was stored in winter in the Rockies and on the northern plains as snow that fed the watersheds of MT WY, The Dakotas that fed the Missouri and Colorado rivers and made it rain in the spring and summer and have skewed inland climate patterns

It was all caused by melting glaciers in the Sierras which were triggered by CO2 induced heating. is that how it works? It was CO2 that did the identical thing 80 years ago too I bet?

My knowledge is definitely peripheral. I know a lot of thermodynamics and radiation physics. I don't know much about deriving inferred temperatures based on proxy data.
 

petros

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Maybe just maybe the oceans aren't co-operating with the theory?

What has the capability of altering ocean curents that isn't climate related and has changed drastically since the 1860s?