Jack Tobin- what's the appropriate sentence?

[JLM]

He should have gotten a hell of a lot longer of a sentence. Three years? What a joke. He'll probably be out in about a year. I think, regardless of who YOU, or who you know(or are related to), are you need to have a meaningful sentence handed to you. Drinking and driving deaths are preventable, and rather than coddle the ones that caused the accident by giving them pathetic sentences, how about the judges wake the **** up and start treating them like the killers that they are. I think 10 years is a fair sentence for a DUI-caused fatality. If you kill more than one person, tack on more years. You have to spend 10 years in prison? That's a hell of a lot better than having to spend it in a box six feet under like the ones that are killed by the stupidity of these idiots.



Jack has no defense. What he did was idiotic, and was totally preventable. No sentence can equal the pain and remorse he has to live with for the rest of his life? Well, I'm sure the victim's family will agree. At least Tobin has a life with which he can realize what an idiot he is.

Actually the whole thing sounds to me more like Tom foolery (that most of us engaged in at a young age) and about six people willingly participated in and tragically one of them didn't survive it. The man is an ass but do we really want to institutionalize him? There are other punishments that are equally as formidable as imprisonment, but with more positive results and at less cost to the taxpayer.

 

[#juan]

Jack Tobin will get exactly what every other prisoner gets: I think every prisoner of good behavior gets 50 days off for every year of incarceration.

 

[shadowshiv]

Actually the whole thing sounds to me more like Tom foolery (that most of us engaged in at a young age) and about six people willingly participated in and tragically one of them didn't survive it. The man is an ass but do we really want to institutionalize him? There are other punishments that are equally as formidable as imprisonment, but with more positive results and at less cost to the taxpayer.

Tom foolery generally doesn't result in the death of a person and another being held responsible for said death. Yes, I DO want him placed in prison, because YES, he is responsible for the death of another person. I don't care if the other person was an idiot as well, it was the other idiot that killed him. Tobin deserved a stiffer sentence than the one he got.

 

[JLM]

Jack Tobin will get exactly what every other prisoner gets: I think every prisoner of good behavior gets 50 days off for every year of incarceration.

No- about 122 days for good behaviour.

Tom foolery generally doesn't result in the death of a person and another being held responsible for said death. Yes, I DO want him placed in prison, because YES, he is responsible for the death of another person. I don't care if the other person was an idiot as well, it was the other idiot that killed him. Tobin deserved a stiffer sentence than the one he got.

I'm not debating the stiffness of the sentence, I'm just saying that there are other just as onerous means of punishment that for this type of person would be more beneficial and less onerous to the taxpayer.

 

[taxslave]

Remorse don't cut it. Having scraped the aftermath of drunk drivers off the highway more than once I am all in favor of hanging them. I also want a law passed that drunks can only have accidents during daylight hours, not when we are trying to get some sleep.

 

[shadowshiv]

No- about 122 days for good behaviour.



I'm not debating the stiffness of the sentence, I'm just saying that there are other just as onerous means of punishment that for this type of person would be more beneficial and less onerous to the taxpayer.

What could possibly be a useful alternative? Having to talk about how bad he feels that he did it? I honestly can't think of anything that would compare to it, JLM.

While I am not saying that he doesn't genuinely feel remorse, there are many people that say they are "so sorry for the pain I caused" and then go out and do it again! I think all the remorse in the world won't change what he did, and he has to be held accountable. It's not like he wouldn't still have many years left to him after he got out of jail since he's so young in the first place.

 

[#juan]

What could possibly be a useful alternative? Having to talk about how bad he feels that he did it? I honestly can't think of anything that would compare to it, JLM.

While I am not saying that he doesn't genuinely feel remorse, there are many people that say they are "so sorry for the pain I caused" and then go out and do it again! I think all the remorse in the world won't change what he did, and he has to be held accountable. It's not like he wouldn't still have many years left to him after he got out of jail since he's so young in the first place.

Obviously one life has been destroyed. Do we need to destroy another?
Jack Tobin will serve something less than three years and he will be serving that time with every kind of felon and murderer
in that prison system. It will be a hard time. He is going to come out of that prison a totally different person than the one that went in.
I just hope he learns the right lessons.

 

[shadowshiv]

Obviously one life has been destroyed. Do we need to destroy another?
Jack Tobin will serve something less than three years and he will be serving that time with every kind of felon and murderer
in that prison system. It will be a hard time. He is going to come out of that prison a totally different person than the one that went in.
I just hope he learns the right lessons.

I'm sorry Juan, but I don't feel too much sympathy for him. He's not the victim in this.

 

[lone wolf]

He'll be paroled in a year. How long will his friend be dead?

 

[taxslave]

He'll be paroled in a year. How long will his friend be dead?

According to the new loon in another thread possibly not too long. LOL

 

[JLM]

According to the new loon in another thread possibly not too long. LOL

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I'm sorry Juan, but I don't feel too much sympathy for him. He's not the victim in this.

The victim had a hand in his own demise. Was he wearing his seat belt? Did he not know the driver was drunk? They both made bad decisions.

 

[shadowshiv]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:



The victim had a hand in his own demise. Was he wearing his seat belt? Did he not know the driver was drunk? They both made bad decisions.

I know that. I called him an idiot as well in a couple of my posts. That being said, I am tired of the perpetrators becoming "victims" in the eyes of the judges.

 

[#juan]

I'm sorry Juan, but I don't feel too much sympathy for him. He's not the victim in this.

Yes he is. They are both the victims of the booze. Jack Tobin might have been driving the vehicle but he had no control over the antics
of his now dead friend. Who is most to blame? The one who drank more? If the friend had stayed inside the cab of the truck he wouldn't
have been killed.

 

[shadowshiv]

Yes he is. They are both the victims of the booze. Jack Tobin might have been driving the vehicle but he had no control over the antics
of his now dead friend. Who is most to blame? The one who drank more? If the friend had stayed inside the cab of the truck he wouldn't
have been killed.

And if Tobin hadn't driven drunk in the first place, etc., etc. Sorry, but the fact that so many suspects are shown as victims is the reason our justice system sucks so badly right now.

 

[JLM]

And if Tobin hadn't driven drunk in the first place, etc., etc. Sorry, but the fact that so many suspects are shown as victims is the reason our justice system sucks so badly right now.

I don't think there are many of us around who haven't at one time or another done something that had circumstances been slightly different would have ended in our own or another's demise. A lot of it is just luck of the draw. Drunk driving is bad, but so is not paying attention while behind the wheel.

 

[Ariadne]

A few years ago ... there was a student with the most beautiful, sharp eyes and a keen interest in philosophy. One weekend he and two friends were returning home from the movie theatre when they were broadsided by a drunk driver. The drunk driver was a university student that swore off alcohol that night. He got a year or so in jail, maybe three. It was not enough. Of the three 18 year olds he broadsided, one died, one was lifted through the window with a shattered pelvis and the third has word salad and physically disabilities for life. Drinking and driving is a choice and everyone knows that if they drive drunk, they might kill someone. Why shouldn't drunk drivers suffer the consequences of at least 10 years in jail for manslaughter?

The guy was spinning wheelies in the snow on the top of a parkade and had a previous citation ... there is no excuse for not knowing better.