Jack Tobin- what's the appropriate sentence?

[JLM]

Jack Tobin to be sentenced Aug. 31 - Ottawa - CBC News

Crown wants five years in the slammer, defense wants 21/2. Will the judge make an example of him? What effect will being "somebody's" son have? Should his previous behaviour be taken into account?

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Jack Tobin to be sentenced Aug. 31 - Ottawa - CBC News

Crown wants five years in the slammer, defense wants 21/2. Will the judge make an example of him? What effect will being "somebody's" son have? Should his previous behaviour be taken into account?

I feel very sorry for this kid. I have no doubt he is remorseful, but that will not bring back the young man he killed.

He should receive the same sentence afforded to anyone who's Dad was not a high profile politician.

 

[TenPenny]

5 years in jail, and a min 10 year driving ban, if not lifetime.

Saying you're sorry when things go bad doesn't erase the fact that you did it, and there's no one alive today who can claim that they didn't know drinking and driving was wrong.

 

[JLM]

5 years in jail, and a min 10 year driving ban, if not lifetime.

Saying you're sorry when things go bad doesn't erase the fact that you did it, and there's no one alive today who can claim that they didn't know drinking and driving was wrong.

I agee the sentence should be severe. However I don't believe in "warehousing" the man. He definitely needs an attitude adjustment. How about two years in prison with opportunity for education etc. and then a three year sentence in the community giving lectures at schools etc. expounding to young kids on the errors of his stupidity and advising others not to put themselves in the same situation? I don't really see him as a stereotype criminal- just a stupid ass!

 

[lone wolf]

Law can stiffen sentences to doomsday but it's not going to stop some drunken hero from getting behind the wheel. How many times have we heard "I drive better when I've had a few"?

 

[JLM]

Law can stiffen sentences to doomsday but it's not going to stop some drunken hero from getting behind the wheel. How many times have we heard "I drive better when I've had a few"?

Yeah, but can they stop better? :lol:

 

[TenPenny]

Law can stiffen sentences to doomsday but it's not going to stop some drunken hero from getting behind the wheel. How many times have we heard "I drive better when I've had a few"?

That being the case, people who do so need to be in jail, where they don't have the opportunity to drive.

I've never actually heard anyone say they drive better when they have a few, everyone I know who has driven when they shouldn't simply counts themselves as lucky.

 

[lone wolf]

I'd be inclined to stuff a vehicular manslaughter charge in with the list....

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

5 years in jail, and a min 10 year driving ban, if not lifetime.

Saying you're sorry when things go bad doesn't erase the fact that you did it, and there's no one alive today who can claim that they didn't know drinking and driving was wrong.

Driving bans and suspended liscences don't work. How many times do you hear about some drunk driving with a suspended liscence? The same misguided logic that says they are ok to drive also will prevent them from thinking they shouldn't drive without a liscence.

 

[WLDB]

That being the case, people who do so need to be in jail, where they don't have the opportunity to drive.

I've never actually heard anyone say they drive better when they have a few, everyone I know who has driven when they shouldn't simply counts themselves as lucky.

I've only heard it from one person. That person is now dead because of it. I wasnt too upset. He was an idiot who took his chances and lost.

 

[#juan]

Well, he got 3 years plus a seven year ban on driving. There will no doubt be time off
for good behavior which will likely cut the time in half as well as credit for time served
that will likely shorten the sentence a bit more.......I don't know if he has served any time.
I think what the court is saying is that he better be on his best behavior for the next few years.

 

[Nuggler]

5 years in jail, and a min 10 year driving ban, if not lifetime.

Saying you're sorry when things go bad doesn't erase the fact that you did it, and there's no one alive today who can claim that they didn't know drinking and driving was wrong.

Think you pretty much nailed it, Tenpenny. He was a wild little bugger before this happened. Helluva way to learn a lesson.

Problem is, as always, the victim won't have a chance to learn or unlearn any more lessons. Sad.

He should be happy I'm not the judge as I would lean a bit to 7-8 in the slammer, a big fine, and a lifetime ban on driving. Time off for good behaviour and bunghole practice.8O


Thanks, Juan. As usual, I'm a dollar short and a day late....................

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Well, he got 3 years plus a seven year ban on driving. There will no doubt be time off
for good behavior which will likely cut the time in half as well as credit for time served
that will likely shorten the sentence a bit more.......I don't know if he has served any time.
I think what the court is saying is that he better be on his best behavior for the next few years.

I think 'time served' covers the time waiting for trial regadless whether you are actually incarsarated or on bail.

What is the consequence of violating the driving ban? Does he spend the rest of the ban in jail or is it a separate trial?

 

[Nuggler]

Driving bans and suspended liscences don't work. How many times do you hear about some drunk driving with a suspended liscence? The same misguided logic that says they are ok to drive also will prevent them from thinking they shouldn't drive without a liscence.

Well, we could blind him, cut off his hands and feet................:roll:

 

[#juan]

I think 'time served' covers the time waiting for trial regadless whether you are actually incarsarated or on bail.

What is the consequence of violating the driving ban? Does he spend the rest of the ban in jail or is it a separate trial?

I think there would be a new trial and a new charge. He would lose his time off and his sentence might be increased. Violating the driving ban would not be a good idea.

 

[TenPenny]

I think 'time served' covers the time waiting for trial regadless whether you are actually incarsarated or on bail.

What is the consequence of violating the driving ban? Does he spend the rest of the ban in jail or is it a separate trial?

Violating the ban would be a separate and new offense, driving while under suspension.

 

[JLM]

To Jack's defense, as serious as the crime is, it's not the same as if he'd been driving down the highway and mowed down an innocent child or for that matter any innocent pedestrian. The victim of this crime was partly the author of his own demise in that he participated (willingly I presume) with this Tom foolery. The sentence handed down is probably appropriate. No sentence can equal the pain and remorse he has to live with for the rest of his life.

Violating the ban would be a separate and new offense, driving while under suspension.

A clever person wouldn't try it! :smile:

 

[lone wolf]

Three years and a seven year driving suspension.

 

[JLM]

It stated on the news tonight that Mr. Tobin had 18 prior traffic infractions. That makes me wonder if he thought (his father being Head Honcho) that the laws are for others but he is exempt. Now, I think Brian Tobin is probably a very decent person but being a man of means lacked the amenities of a wood shed! :smile:

 

[shadowshiv]

Jack Tobin to be sentenced Aug. 31 - Ottawa - CBC News

Crown wants five years in the slammer, defense wants 21/2. Will the judge make an example of him? What effect will being "somebody's" son have? Should his previous behaviour be taken into account?

He should have gotten a hell of a lot longer of a sentence. Three years? What a joke. He'll probably be out in about a year. I think, regardless of who YOU, or who you know(or are related to), are you need to have a meaningful sentence handed to you. Drinking and driving deaths are preventable, and rather than coddle the ones that caused the accident by giving them pathetic sentences, how about the judges wake the **** up and start treating them like the killers that they are. I think 10 years is a fair sentence for a DUI-caused fatality. If you kill more than one person, tack on more years. You have to spend 10 years in prison? That's a hell of a lot better than having to spend it in a box six feet under like the ones that are killed by the stupidity of these idiots.

To Jack's defense, as serious as the crime is, it's not the same as if he'd been driving down the highway and mowed down an innocent child or for that matter any innocent pedestrian. The victim of this crime was partly the author of his own demise in that he participated (willingly I presume) with this Tom foolery. The sentence handed down is probably appropriate. No sentence can equal the pain and remorse he has to live with for the rest of his life.



A clever person wouldn't try it! :smile:

Jack has no defense. What he did was idiotic, and was totally preventable. No sentence can equal the pain and remorse he has to live with for the rest of his life? Well, I'm sure the victim's family will agree. At least Tobin has a life with which he can realize what an idiot he is.