It's Time to Upgrade Free Speech to Fair Speech

Colpy

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Free speech is subjective.

It currently favours those in a position of authority.


Especially gubmint.

Oh what f#$king Horseshyte.

EXACTLY the opposite is true.

Limiting free speech serves the state.

Jesus, you can't be stupid enough to actually believe this garbage.
 

mentalfloss

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As usual, CBC is right and you're wrong.


Want to protect freedom of expression? Strengthen hate speech laws

Today, Canada's hate speech laws make it a criminal offence to communicate "statements in any public place [which] incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace."

In other words, if your "free speech" (1) incites hatred, (2) against an identifiable group, and that incitement is (3) likely to cause a breach of the peace, you can be charged with a crime.

Even then, however, a charge under that section of the Criminal Code can only be brought against the person who made the speech if the Attorney General consents. The Attorney General's consent provides a significant barrier in even bringing a charge.

Hateful expression might not always rise to the level required for criminal prosecution, yet that fact does not necessarily mean that it is any less hurtful, hateful or harmful.

Until 2013, Canadians who found themselves on the receiving end of hateful speech had another recourse — the Human Rights Act. Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, now repealed by the Harper government, allowed individuals to bring a complaint to an administrative tribunal when "a person or group of persons" communicated "any matter that is likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt" because of the fact that "… those persons are identifiable on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination."

This was the legislation which led to the downfall of white supremacist John Ross Taylor. Similar provisions in Saskatchewan's human rights legislation were used to prevent William Whatcott from distributing jarringly homophobic flyers in Saskatoon and Regina.

Today, Canadians do not have the benefit of the protection of Section 13. Hate speech that does not rise to the level required for criminal prosecution will instead simply infect the public discourse.

Want to protect freedom of expression? Strengthen hate speech laws - Manitoba - CBC News
 

Colpy

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As usual, CBC is right and you're wrong.


Want to protect freedom of expression? Strengthen hate speech laws

Today, Canada's hate speech laws make it a criminal offence to communicate "statements in any public place [which] incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace."

In other words, if your "free speech" (1) incites hatred, (2) against an identifiable group, and that incitement is (3) likely to cause a breach of the peace, you can be charged with a crime.

Even then, however, a charge under that section of the Criminal Code can only be brought against the person who made the speech if the Attorney General consents. The Attorney General's consent provides a significant barrier in even bringing a charge.

Hateful expression might not always rise to the level required for criminal prosecution, yet that fact does not necessarily mean that it is any less hurtful, hateful or harmful.

Until 2013, Canadians who found themselves on the receiving end of hateful speech had another recourse — the Human Rights Act. Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, now repealed by the Harper government, allowed individuals to bring a complaint to an administrative tribunal when "a person or group of persons" communicated "any matter that is likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt" because of the fact that "… those persons are identifiable on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination."

This was the legislation which led to the downfall of white supremacist John Ross Taylor. Similar provisions in Saskatchewan's human rights legislation were used to prevent William Whatcott from distributing jarringly homophobic flyers in Saskatoon and Regina.

Today, Canadians do not have the benefit of the protection of Section 13. Hate speech that does not rise to the level required for criminal prosecution will instead simply infect the public discourse.

Want to protect freedom of expression? Strengthen hate speech laws - Manitoba - CBC News

The Ministry of Truth?

Thanks for proving my point.

The CBC is an arm of the state.
 

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You know, at least my comment was tongue in cheek.

You're actually serious, which just goes to show how skewed your opinion is here.
 

spilledthebeer

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You know, at least my comment was tongue in cheek.

You're actually serious, which just goes to show how skewed your opinion is here.

GOOD GOD- the guy wants us to believe that our Human Rights but too often WRONG Commission has been dismantled? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! And did anybody really listen when Our idiot Boy Justin promised to change jury selection process simply because he wants to BUY native votes in the wake of the Coulton Boushie garbage? LIE-berals are set to greatly expand their racist/fascist Nanny state- using the mess described below as a starting point for their poison!

The Aug. 8, 2016 issue of McLean`s Magazine contains a `special report on race and power` that, if accepted by Cdns, will-so I believe- encourage bigotry in Canada. McLean`s trumpets the news that native people RARELY get elected to positions of authority outside the reserves and McLean`s thinks it’s a legacy of bigotry! Apparently McLean`s supports reverse discrimination-how else to explain their simple minded statistical analysis of racial numbers in Saskatchewan?

I ask-how is it that Cdns are overlooking and rejecting prospective native politicians? Especially when they all too often lack even a high school diploma-the BASIC educational building block in Canada. Only 25 percent of natives living on reserves graduate from high school. An even smaller number go on to higher education so surely McLean`s might want to be honest and recognize that a MAJOR lack of qualification might be behind some of this alleged racist behaviour?

Traditionally politicians work themselves up from local municipal positions and from school boards and such other small beginnings-gaining eloquence, insight and the wisdom of experience on the way. There are substantial obstacles to natives from reserves making such headway due to the assorted scandals that plague the great majority of reserves-not just in Saskatchewan but right across the country.

It is true that only one third of natives live on reserves-with the remainder living in regular cities like the rest of us so one may ask why these natives do not seek political office? Perhaps it is again due to lack of education? Or perhaps it is a legacy of watching the endemic corruption on reserves that has persuaded natives living off reserves that politics is a dirty game they don’t want to play? Or perhaps white voters have seen and heard so much about the corruption and chaos on reserves that they justly fear to vote for any native candidate? Such things are not related to simple minded bigotry but are grounded in fact and logic.

Who in the wider world beyond Kashetchewan Reserve would vote for any of that band council? Federal govt built the band a drinking water plant and sewage treatment plant and then sent native volunteers off to a crash course in how to manage the plants. Due to native educational short-comings and the accelerated/limited training courses given to quickly get ill prepared and semi literate natives up to speed, govt recognized that outside help would often be needed and a bank account was set up so that the band could dip into the funds to hire white experts as needed to come in and show natives how to repair more complex machinery and keep the plants running.

Imagine the surprise when BOTH plants-sewage and drinking water-broke down and left the band with raw piss coming out their taps! Further-the band was BROKE-NO MONEY left in the repair bill bank accounts. Govt was bewildered and auditors were sent in to track the cash-while band council MOCKED govt for mishandling their water systems and being CHEAP with funds!

Auditors reported back that the repair money had been spent instead on air fares to send a hockey team to California for a tournament! A LARGE number of adult chaperones also went along. Add in bills for hotel rooms, nice meals, alcohol and some mad money for playing at the local casino and voila-the bank account is empty! Though why natives would blame govt for this is not clear to anybody but natives?

Housing in Kashetchewan is also a thorny issue. `Kash`-as the reserve is known-stands on the Hudson`s Bay Lowlands-a vast set of river deltas created by millions of creeks and streams-it`s 1.5 million square km with an average elevation of SIX FEET above sea level. To suggest that there is risk of flooding during the spring thaw is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT!

The drinking water plant and sewage plant were built by white men and they STARTED the job by piling up tons of sand and gravel to produce an elevated pad with the plant built on top-out of the reach of flood waters. The natives were hired to build the less technically demanding prefab band homes and they are virtually ALL flood damaged to varying degrees because native home builders apparently did NOT pile up sand and gravel pads for the houses to sit upon out of reach of flood waters. But natives happily BLAME federal govt for their housing troubles!

Natives in eastern Canada also have housing troubles that they blame on Ottawa. But those natives don’t want to discuss the Carribean cruises they took-using housing money! They don’t want to discuss the salaries of native band leaders-one of whom leads a band of less than 500 people and collects a salary of over half a million dollars per year!

Natives in `Kash` don’t want to discuss the epidemic of skin disease that is plaguing area kids and got so bad this spring that a team of govt doctors was flown in to assess and treat a pack of kids-with several of the worst cases being airlifted out to Thunder Bay for hospital treatment. Nor does anybody want to admit that the skin ailments are apparently triggered by lack of contact with soap and water and by a lack of clean clothing-even though the `Kash` water plants were returned to fully functioning status a couple of years back.

Natives in any number of reserves are complaining of epidemic rates of suicide and of drug abuse.

Native politicians from the reserves are clearly hamstrung by these terrible and deplorable situations-how can any educated person from the larger world-meaning white community- consider bypassing conventionally skilled and educated politicians and instead choose some aspiring native politician with a sketchy education and tied to a long history of corruption and malfeasance?

Further-it now costs the average federal member of our parliament roughly one hundred thousand dollars to mount an effective campaign for public office-so where would un-employed natives get this kind of money? Selling illegal smokes is profitable but is it that profitable that a native with political aspirations would risk such money from his own pocket just to get on a public stage?

So here is a fun question being ignored by Mc`Leans writers: “is it bigotry or is it common sense that is keeping natives out of political offices”?

Another good question is this: “is the LIE-beral party of Canada hurting or helping Cdns”? I say LIE-berals are killing natives with misplaced kindness. LIE-berals have rescinded virtually all the Conservative mandated legislation that would have compelled native bands into something more closely resembling responsible govt!

By compelling bands to post ALL band expenses online-including salaries and pensions, the interested (Conservative) observer could see at a glance how well and how carefully the band was managing its tax money. And since virtually ALL that money is supplied by ordinary Cdns-they would have some reassurance that there would be no more Carribean cruises and no more visits to casinos by native leaders at tax payer expense! Housing money would be spent on JUST THAT!

How sad that LIE-berals do NOT APPROVE of these measure which would have made life easier on reserves by minimizing troubles and enuring that best use was made of tax money! LIE-berals are applying a form of bigotry of their own. They seem to have written off natives and consigned them to a hellish life of shortages and limitations-while preaching of their LIE-beral style care and concern!

LIE-berals consider it beneath them to try to ensure tax money is spent wisely on reserves and they certainly have no known plans to INCREASE the amount of tax money flowing to reserves. In fact there are indications that the way the new LIE-beral child care benefit is set up- natives can actually expect LESS money in future!

People who don’t file a T-4 income tax form-and that includes most natives since natives living on reserves do NOT PAY income tax-won’t be getting the new child benefit! Either natives will do without or LIE-berals will eventually have to come up with some alternate program just for reserves! After all, natives making a living selling illegal smokes or guns etc will NOT want to give govt written records regarding their alleged income in case Revenue Canada agents come sniffing around looking for sales tax payoffs!)

And after all this, does McLean`s STILL want to suggest that it is white racists that are blocking native from positions of power?
 

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"Too long and boring"- the famous EXCUSE of LIE-berals who know I am right- but do not yet have the power to legally silence their critics! Consider:

Here is the UN- NEWS of the week. It is ALL the not news that wont affect your life:

We are assured that “Justin Rocks”. Apparently some adult sized Hog with a teeny bopper mind set has an adolescent crush on Our brainless Boy! But what concerns adults is the Trudope SPENDING! Madly, Constantly, Irresponsibly. Your silly school girl crush- which you will grow out of once the bills start hitting you-will fade away like tax money in LIE-beral hands!

The latest non security numbers are just in-and NOBODY cares how many Muslims actually take part in terror acts. We do worry about how many ordinary people are maimed and killed in the attacks. And we know that many Muslims quietly applaud these acts of vengeance and bloodshed even though they themselves would not care to lash out in such fashion. What we also care about is the LIE-beral NON- efforts that are failing to truly protect us from such bloody atrocities. After all that crazy Muslim woman who attacked cdn Tire customers with golf club and knife was ARRESTED in Turkey trying to join ISIS and deported back to Canada and LIE-berals and their vaunted security NEVER NOTICED! Even worse, they don’t know how she got into the country in the first place, nor where she came from or what her status is! LIE-beral national security has holes a lunatic can walk through- BOTH IN AND BACK OUT AND IN AGAIN!

In other non news-its nice that LIE-berals think Canada is looking good on its 150th birthday. Its just too bad that LIE-berals are working so damned hard to MESS UP Canada in imitation of the third world pest holes Our idiot Boy so much admires! You know the ones I mean-such as Iran which is the chosen politically Beloved of Sacha Trudope-brother of Our brainless Boy. Or Cuba-the place where Trudopes go to be fawned over and received like useful idiots by hard line Commie butchers-just so long as they bring OUR money with them-just as Lenin predicted! And Venezuela-that socialist pest hole that Our brainless Boy forces us to buy oil from because he doesn’t LIKE the voting habits of oil producing people in Alberta! Our Boy is un-perturbed by the Venezuelan reality-that things are so bad there now that govt has given up rationing food and turned the job over to the army as the typical civil service Hog is neither armed nor combat trained and cannot prevent starving mobs from looting govt food banks! So the job has been given to the army and they have decided that STEALING all the food and selling it to people is a better deal than running some stupid food bank for peasants to broke to pay taxes for army salaries!

And we have NON assurances that Cdns mostly support cutting ties with the British Monarchy. Such a claim is not valid until one also asks Cdns what they would think of the following questions with related facts: NO money is currently sent from Ottawa to pay the Queen ANY Cdn salary. So-Are you in favour of STARTING to pay a Cdn President who would replace the Queen? And would you be comfortable allowing LIE-berals to set the salary of a new president- given that they are proud to have paid Muslim terror poster boy Omar Khadr $10.5 million dollars for fighting AGAINST CANADA!

We pay NOTHING to maintain the palaces of the Queen-but would you be okay with STARTING to pay for a Cdn Presidential Palace? And how opulent would you think the new Presidential Palace needs to be in order to satisfy LIE-berals? Should it be modeled on Buckingham Palace or can we reproduce one of the lesser Palaces? Maybe Balmoral would be good as its in a rural setting in the peaceful countryside that Cdns like?

We ONLY pay for the security of the Queen when she comes here to visit as head of state-would you be okay with STARTING to pay 24/7 for all the assorted security needs of a new Cdn President. Would you be okay with the COST to elect said Cdn President-with an election to get us a new prime minister currently costing OVER three hundred million dollars-NOT INCLUDING the ALL NEW costs of ensuring Russians don’t hack the results? Or might it be easier just to let that old Brit broad continue doing the job for the time being?

We have seen how much time and effort was devoted to sorting out our current constitution and many of us remember how utterly SICK we got of the endless Meech Lake garbage so would Cdns be okay with letting the pressing business of govt debt management be put aside for 20-30 years while govt sorts out the powers of Prime minister, House of Commons, Senate and the new President?

PLUS letting the provinces horn in and demand COSTLY NEW privileges for themselves in exchange for kissing up to the new President? With the under- standing that in EVERY SINGLE impasse-and there WILL be many- govt will seek out the solution that ensures the MAXIMUM cost and maximum number of bodies to be hired at the maximum salary? And that ALL those bodies hired will have well paid jobs for life, along with NO responsibility for explaining to us why govt might choose to squander or waste or ad-scam in idiot LIE-beral fashion?

Think in terms of dividing BOTH govt power and accountability into ever smaller bits-WITHOUT reducing their ability to SPEND! We have already seen three billion dollars disappear in the LIE-beral adscam deal and how excited are Cdns about having more such deals-with NOBODY to hold accountable cause there will be a whole circle jerk of so called leaders who SUDDENLY WON’T LEAD-all pointing at the next guy?

And should we call it NON news that most Cdns would look at the Presidential alternatives and say “oh screw it, lets just keep the Queen-the old girl is starting to look like a bargain?

This business of replacing the Monarchy is even messier than the now disgraced electoral reform/proportional representation garbage-call it PR- peddled recently by LIE-berals. PR will ENCOURAGE and enable lunatic fringe parties to gain control of our lives and Parliament. Under PR the Green Party would gain seats-and then seek to shut down our entire oil and gas industries. Say good-bye to any chance of restoring fiscal sanity in EITHER Alberta or Ottawa if that happens. And say HELLO to lots of costly imported oil if Alberta is shut down? And is it non news that we would have to give up heating our homes and businesses with natural gas and switch to electricity as LIE-berals have already requested? Is it non news that LIE-berals and Greens want us to throw away all those gas burning appliances and use green electric energy provided at fabulous expense? Is there non information about the COST to Cdns of junking so many appliances? Or the cost to rewire millions of buildings for electric heat? With those MILES of copper wire made from ore strip mined in Chile or some such place?

Greens want to go big on green energy and if you think energy costs are high now-just wait a few years till Greens and LIE-berals have done some dirty back room deals?

Or how about a Sharia Law Party in parliament? How much time and money would be spent by govt to decide how much of our constitution to eviscerate in order to satisfy Sharia Law and the related rights of Cdn women?

And who likes barbeques in the summer time? Better forget about that if there is a close vote in parliament and LIE-berals NEED a couple of votes from the PETA Animal Rights Party? Unless you like roasted Tofu?

It ought to be NON news that LIE-berals were ready to give Bloc Quebecois TOTAL VETO POWER over ALL Cdn legislation in exchange for their support in toppling Harper. It ought to be BIG news that Bloc heads were kept away from that mad power grab by our Governor General-the representative of the Queen?

In other non news, some people are interested in the apparent cost of solar power in other countries-and they think we should have that garbage here too cause they SAY its cheaper? Solar power/green energy has its virtues but being either cheap or reliable ain`t part of the deal-not the way LIE-berals set it up! Especially not when LIE-berals use that green energy file as a giant slush fund for directing gravy to their pals! It is NON news that we cannot afford the cost of LIE-beral green energy?

Some people regard green energy as the solution to all the problems of THEIR life! More specifically they want to use green energy to ensure a steady flow of money from our pockets to their pockets so THEY can continue producing their major carbon foot prints regardless of the cost of heat or gas or the damage to environment! Think of it-a select few gliding happily off every morning to one of the few remaining jobs in our economy on roads almost devoid of rush hour traffic-only that line of busses packed with poor, semi employed peons sliding along in the bus lanes beside the privileged auto owners! Only a small minded/Hog person would consider it logical to hamper your efforts to heat your house while ignoring Hogs zooming about on gas guzzling toys outside their picturesque country estates on lazy summer weekends while you sweat in the city? And is it non news that LIE-berals don’t care if you fret about bills you cannot pay because you are taxed out in order to supply MORE gravy for HUGE CARBON footprint Hogs?

To ensure that Hogs can continue to enjoy nature as God and his illegitimate second son Trudope desire, we are assured that LIE-berals will FORBID all of us peasants from producing ANY carbon that might sully THEIR world. To ensure this, they will destroy large portions of our economy so we have no way of producing carbon at our NON work and no way to produce carbon in our homes either because we wont have private homes? Eco environmentalist LOONS will expect us to eat our vegetarian meal RAW because burning wood-or any other substance for cooking is a sin? Besides, burning wood in or around a homeless shelter will be impractical for most of us since we might accidentally set fire to old newspapers and other rubbish that has homeless neighbours sleeping under it? This seems our fate if LIE-beral job creation and debt management continue on their present track?

LIE-berals regard it as NON news that our green energy costs so much because they are PAYING NINE HUNDRED PERCENT MORE than what it costs to access other forms of electricity- in order to encourage their Hog pals to produce LOTS of the COSTLY green shit? With NO LEGAL way to stop buying it when we don’t need it? No wonder some LIE-berals think Green Energy is cheaper in United States-they are BUYING OUR surplus green production at rates BELOW what it costs us to produce it HERE? Because LIE-berals have ordered us to BUY ALL green energy that is produced with no way to stop buying when we have enough-we must buy ALL and sell the surplus off to Yankees at BARGAIN rates that have some imbeciles looking at the Yankee market confused about the true cost of green energy?

In other non news, a Saskatchewan First Nation got 4.5 million dollars from our federal govt for some damned reason? I say so what-its NON news of the first rank? Ontari-owe Atiwapiskat Crees got one hundred and fifty million dollars and BLEW IT ALL on a PARTY! Or something? They wont say and there are No receipts. It is more NON news that the 150 million dollars should have been spent on houses and was not? Lie-berals hand out so much money with so few strings to natives that it is definitely Non news that Saskatchewan natives recently got a measly 4.5 million for....whatever?

In other non news, LIE-berals now take credit for Trudope driving down our Cdn dollar to its current value which has resulted in screwing up our balance of trade and raising our cost of living -and also thus luring out a pack of tourists and Yankee college students all seeking deals here in Canada? And isn’t it nice that Cdn Hogs will have all that extra tuition revenue to play with? And no need for OSAP to be chasing the 25 percent of Cdn kids who find it impossible to pay living expenses, taxes and the student loans they MUST have? The foreigners will not bitch about our taxes cause hey-they GOT that 25 percent Yankee dollar discount? And easy access to Cdn weed to- if Our brainless Boy ever sorts out the legislation? It is non news that some stupid LIE-berals think that Yankee kids are coming here mainly in hopes of getting a selfie with Justin, while the education at bargain rates is just gravy ?

In other non news, people worried about crime sprees in places like Kelowna should under stand that this is simply the normal start up of organized crime in the city. The violence will fade once the turf wars are over. And petty crime will fade as well once the gangs get set up as they will not want mere punk kids robbing customers on the way to gang drug stores and brothels and cutting into gang profits. Look how crime rates have fallen in Toronto now that Police don’t chase criminals unless they shoot ordinary people-violence is now concentrated almost ENTIRELY amongst gang members. Have faith in LIE-beral justice and all will be well? If we LIVE LONG ENOUGH?

And isn’t it nice that LIE-berals now have that religious fever? They support the message of the Pope in urging us to create jobs and hire Muslims? If only God could step in and aid LIE-berals who have been TRYING to create jobs-and failing badly-for about SIXTY YEARS NOW? And would it not be nice if the Pope could tell us how to mingle with Muslims WITHOUT getting shot, run over, blown up or stabbed by Muslims? It is NON news for most if us that all we have to show for LIE-beral efforts is MASSIVE DEBT, and as a bonus, we have the recently imported major Muslim security problem INSIDE Canada, plus a LOT of increasingly hostile debate on public web sites?
 

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...and Cannuck's post is too stupid, dumb, and full of crap to read.
;)
I'm thinkin, due to their common resemblances, all his posts are copy and paste.

As of Monday morning, the Media Research Center and its grassroots members made over 25,000 calls to ABC lambasting the network, demanding a full apology for anti-Christian comments made by The View on February 13 that suggested Vice President Mike Pence’s “dangerous” Christian faith was a “mental illness.”

Media Research Center President Brent Bozell tweeted the following in response to this statistic:



Fakespeech has its consequences.
 

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Let's play a game of "Who is the Nazi"

Lindsay Shepherd’s Attacker Who Labeled her “Alt-Right” Was Ousted from Windsor University Position After Anti-Semitic Scandal



Mohommad Akbar, one of Lindsay Shepherd’s most vocal opponents, helped lead a 2014 BDS campus movement that emboldened anti-Semites to endanger the safety of Jewish students at Windsor University.
University of Wilfrid Laurier alumnus Mohammad Akbar recently published a hit piece on Lindsay Shepherd, the TA who had the audacity to simply play a clip of Jordan Peterson and others debating gender pronouns.
Shepherd was censured and brought in for a meeting with Laurier faculty, who berated her until she broke down in tears. They equated her airing a Jordan Peterson clip in class with playing a Hitler speech. Since the audio of her abuse was leaked, the school has issued a retraction, but some of the leftist activists and journalists are coming after Shepherd, and they won’t stop until they have her head on a platter.
Mohammad Akbar wrote a smear piece in NOW Magazine claiming that Shepherd is linked to the anti-Semitic alt-right movement. The irony is that Akbar was himself ousted from a student office at University of Windsor after an anti-Semitic hate crime scandal in 2014. Akbar was the UWSA vice president of external affairs during the time that the UWSA passed an anti-Israel bill. In fact, as the Toronto Star reported, the bill “sparked safety concerns for some Jewish students on campus, as well as complaints that have prompted an investigation of the vote by the school’s administration.”
“I think the referendum will just lead to a more hostile environment on campus,” said David, a Jewish University of Windsor student who only wanted to give his first name for safety reasons.​
It didn’t end there, however. The passage of this bill so emboldened anti-Semites on campus that they broke into school buildings and vandalized property with anti-Semitic symbols.


Vandals spray painted a racist message inside a University of Windsor Student Alliance office.The police investigated the vandalism as a hate crime, and Conservative MP Jeff Watson raised the issue in the House of Commons:
The scandal was so bad that Akbar and UWSA were forced to issue a statement condemning the vandalism. But students saw through the facade: even though Mohommad Akbar ran unopposed in the election, he received more “no” votes than “yes” and was ousted from office. Maclean’s reports:
Mohammad Akbar, the rejected candidate for president, was on the executive that allowed the [BDS] vote to go forward last month. “Voters who had been paying attention would have noticed that.”​
Akbar has used the classic tactic of, “Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty.” While he falsely smears Lindsay Shepherd for making students “unsafe” at Wilfrid Laurier, he himself was caught in a scandal that may have endangered Jewish students at Windsor University.


https://medium.com/@JamesDamost/lin...from-windsor-university-position-50f7700cb9c8
 

Danbones

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Lookin' at you from here, it looks like you have it on crooked.
( oh transplant...heh heh, ooops, you mean it can't be straightened out because it's now permanent?)
:)

Say ( speaking of fair speech), who paid for trudie's vacation in India where he didn't talk to anybody?
 

spilledthebeer

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Lookin' at you from here, it looks like you have it on crooked.
( oh transplant...heh heh, ooops, you mean it can't be straightened out because it's now permanent?)
:)

Say ( speaking of fair speech), who paid for trudie's vacation in India where he didn't talk to anybody?

OH- now lest be fair here- Our idiot Boy Justin DESPERATELY wants to talk to people- problem is NOBODY WANTS TO TALK TO HIM! Its something to do with that Sikh seperatist and accused terrorist killer that is travelling in the LIE-beral entourage! Sikhs and Indians have been fighting for years over territory that was once part of the independent kingdom of Sikkim and since Our idiot Boy has 5 Sikhs in his cabinet- not including the Sikh killer travelling in the entourage- Indians are a bit worried and offended by the values Our idiot Boy seems to be displaying! Hence the total lack of warm welcome from Indian govt!

Poor LIE-berals- they have pushed their dishonest agenda about as far as it will go- and with the money running out and Canada hitting the debt wall- with much reduced opportunity to simply borrow more to buy the LIE-berals a more sunny way forward- LIE-berals are now running to cloudy reality!
 

spilledthebeer

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Oh what f#$king Horseshyte.

EXACTLY the opposite is true.

Limiting free speech serves the state.

Jesus, you can't be stupid enough to actually believe this garbage.

Limiting free speech does not serve the state- it ONLY serves LIE-berals - with their failed policies and self serving reverse racist propaganda!

Conservatives BENEFIT from free speech! For instance we want to know why a judge would think it fair to give Omar Khadr ANYTHING! After all it was his father who was to blame for a the trouble Omar and his brothers got into! If you sneak out of rthe country as the Khadrs did- then join a terrorist army fighting in another country against our national allies and you get shot and imprisoned- only a LIE-beral would be able to connect THOSE DOTS to come up with blame for Cdn people!

Limiting free speech does not serve the state- it ONLY serves LIE-berals - with their failed policies and self serving reverse racist propaganda!

Conservatives BENEFIT from free speech! For instance we want to know why a judge would think it fair to give Omar Khadr ANYTHING! After all it was his father who was to blame for a the trouble Omar and his brothers got into! If you sneak out of rthe country as the Khadrs did- then join a terrorist army fighting in another country against our national allies and you get shot and imprisoned- only a LIE-beral would be able to connect THOSE DOTS to come up with blame for Cdn people!

It is remarkable how far LIE-berals will go to BEND free speech in their direction while seriously LIMITING free speech for their opponents!
Here is an article illustrating the LIE-beral definition of civil rights and responsibilities. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Liberals all over the map on Khadr. By Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun

First posted: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 07:41 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 07:46 PM EDT

Petition generates more than 50,000 signatures against Trudeau government's $10-million Khadr settlement

While the reported deal between the Trudeau government and Omar Khadr, awarding him over $10 million and an official apology from Canada is shocking, it isn’t surprising.

The die was cast in 2010 when the Supreme Court of Canada unanimously ruled the federal government violated Khadr’s constitutional rights as a citizen- he was born in Canada- to “life, liberty and security of the person.”

(So a pack of legal eagles- mostly put in place during the Chretien LIE-beral years are only to happy to sneer at ordinary Cdns who they see as ill informed- and these LIE-beral bigots- running what now looks frighteningly like a Kangaroo Court that Franz Kafka would appreciate- have given LIE-berals the “legal excuse” they desire to suck up to Muslim voters! AND THROW OUR MONEY AWAY! Such a display of callous disrespect will come back to bite LIE-berals some day! If the high court interprets a law wrongly- in defiance of public wishes and govt preferences THEN CHANGE THE LAW- and the COURT- if need be!)

This when CSIS and foreign affairs officials interviewed Khadr in Cuba’s Guantanamo Bay prison in 2003-2004, and relayed the information to the Americans, knowing Khadr had been subjected to sleep deprivation by prison authorities.

(IT is deplorable that Yankees would sully their good cause by treating captured Mujahideen as “enemy combatants” rather than as “prisoners of war” but this is NOTHING TO DO WITH CANADA! Khadr should be grateful we let him back into the country instead of sending him back to Afghanistan- To ROT!)

Given that, it was only a matter of time before the government was going to have to go to court to defend itself in Khadr’s civil suit against it, or settle. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government has apparently settled.

If Stephen Harper and the Conservatives were still in power, they might well have defended the lawsuit.

This despite knowing Khadr would probably win because of the 2010 court ruling, and that the court-ordered award might be higher than the $10 million the Liberals apparently agreed to.

(A sensible govt would have scorned the high court ruling! The legal goofs have NO power over events outside Canada! And Cdn govt has no responsibility to “citizens” who fight against us! I certainly would not wish to be a Gitmo inmate- but then I ALSO have NO DESIRE to fight against Canada or Yankees! The Khadrs KNEW that going to fight is inherently dangerous so why the shock and surprise over getting shot and being treated roughly? That LIE-berals do not understand this is a clear indication of their twisted thinking!)

As for Canada apologizing to Khadr, it’s possible his lawyers demanded it as a condition of settlement.

(Many Cdns simply fail to see why we should concern ourselves over what happens to a Cdn who goes to a foreign country on his own initiative and volunteers to fight for forces OPPOSED to Canada and its allies! The United States was wrong in using water boarding and other methods on prisoners but again- none of this was ordered by Cdns, none carried out by Cdns and none approved by Cdns. Cdns DO accept that Khadr SHOULD have spent time in jail for fighting against our general interests and we know he has been handled roughly but we see it as HIS problem! He would not have been in this fix if he had stayed HOME! If he feels he is owed money let him seek it from United States or from the Taliban commanders he served!)

Ironies, strange twists and hypocrisy, by the Liberals, abound in Khadr’s case.

For example, it might never have happened had not then Liberal prime minister Jean Chretien asked Pakistan prime minister Benazair Bhutto in 1996 for guarantees that Omar Khadr’s father, Ahmed Said Khadr, would be treated fairly. Khadr was released from prison shortly after Chretien’s intervention.

(And WHY in HELL would LIE-beral Chretien have any interest in any Khadr and WHY intervene on behalf of a dork who deserved to either be in jail or in front of a firing squad?)

At the time, the elder Khadr, later identified as a key lieutenant of Osama bin Laden, who would die in a firefight with Pakistani security officers in 2003, was under arrest in Pakistan in connection with the bombing of the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad.

After being freed, the elder Khadr briefly came back to Canada, then returned to Pakistan with his family, where his sons received weapons training with the Taliban and bin Laden.

That started Omar Khadr down the path towards his 2002 confrontation with U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, where he was accused of throwing the grenade that killed U.S. army combat medic Sergeant First Class Christopher James Speer, leading to his subsequent confinement at Guantanamo Bay.

(It’s a good thing Adolf Hitler never came to Canada or LIE-berals would be paying to the Nazi Party in order to `win` their support!)

A great irony of the Khadr case is that in 2010, the Harper government, which came to power in 2006, was defending actions taken by the Jean Chretien/Paul Martin Liberal government, which was in charge when CSIS and foreign affairs officials interrogated Khadr at Guantanamo in 2003-2004.

Often forgotten now is the fact that in the same 2010 judgment that found Khadr’s constitutional rights had been violated, the Supreme Court overturned two lower court rulings requiring the Harper government to seek Khadr’s repatriation from Guantanamo Bay, saying this would have interfered with its right to set foreign policy.

In criticizing the reported settlement between Khadr and the Trudeau government, the federal Conservatives are being consistent with the position the Harper government took toward the Khadr case during its years in power

The Liberals, on the other hand, have gone from intervening on behalf of Khadr’s father, to shunning the Khadr family because of their embarrassment when it was later revealed the elder Khadr was a terrorist, to criticizing the Harper government for defending the Liberal government’s actions in its 2003-2004 questioning of Omar Khadr in Guantanamo.

Proof that politics makes strange bedfellows.

(Proof also that when LIE-berals seek to cling to power and BUY votes, then the truth is not just irrelevant, it is actually harmful to their cause!)
 

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Odd.

The Germans had hate speech laws in the Weimar Republic, and enthusiastically prosecuted the Nazis with those laws.

Did them a lot of good, didn't it?

Here is what the pre-eminent human rights advocate in Canada (Alan Borovoy) had to say on the subject:

"Remarkably, pre-Hitler Germany had laws very much like the Canadian anti-hate law. Moreover, those laws were enforced with some vigour. During the 15 years before Hitler came to power, there were more than 200 prosecutions based on anti-Semitic speech. And, in the opinion of the leading Jewish organization of that era, no more than 10 per cent of the cases were mishandled by the authorities. As subsequent history so painfully testifies, this type of legislation proved ineffectual on the one occasion when there was a real argument for it."

https://www.steynonline.com/8242/bray-new-world

I guess our German friends are not real good at learning from experience.

Oh.....and the post-war moves towards hate speech regulation were initiated and pushed in the international community by......(wait for it) Joseph Stalin. A worse mass murderer than Hitler.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...9463745f9?sv=42cf6372e5553b4c10e0219a6e7c5b84

Read the article. It is quite interesting.

Never trust those advocating for additional limits on free speech.......the path they tread leads to a concentration camp.
 

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First of all, "It's Time to Upgrade Free Speech to Fair Speech."

WTF does that even mean? WTF is fair speech?

Dont worry- its just LIE-beral propaganda- nice sounding and quite meaningless little slogan for them to distract with! Too bad it didnt work! Here is an example of LIE-beral "distraction" - this one related to the environment:

Here is an article illustrating the scope of selfish LIE-beral propaganda. With some comments of my own in brackets):

By Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun

The idea only so-called ‘experts’ can debate global warming policies is an attack on free speech.

First posted: Saturday, October 31, 2015 03:06 PM EDT | Updated: Saturday, October 31, 2015 04:40 PM EDT

Climate Change protesters: A protester, wearing a Halloween mask, stands near a protest banner during a rally near the Presidential Palace to protest the country's use of coal to power energy generation power plants which according to them has contributed to pollution Saturday, Oct. 10, 2015 in Manila, Philippines. The protesters are urging the Government to do more to reduce Greenhouse gas emissions which allegedly contributes to global climate change.

Trudeau’s global warming plan. The easiest way to distinguish between a critical thinker and an ideological one is this.

When a critical thinker disagrees with you, he or she thinks you’re wrong. When an ideologue disagrees with you, he or she thinks you’re evil. When it comes to discussions about climate change, we have far too many ideologues and far too few critical thinkers.

(LIE-berals are of course “ideological thinkers”. We all know climate change is real but the honest question- which LIE-berals are ducking- is how best to deal with it? LIE-beral solutions such as their Carbon crap and trade scam do nothing to resolve climate issues- as the now disgraced European Carbon crap scam- which LIE-berals have closely emulated- has proved!)

Far too many self-proclaimed “environmentalists” who want to shut down all debate on the subject because their narrow and rigid ideological minds believe there is only one “correct” position — theirs — which saves them from having to think.

(And such people DO NOT want you to think about logical answers to tough questions such as ”who really benefitted from the sale of Hydro One” and “where
is all the windfall cahs from carbon crap and trade scam going since Wynne-bag LIE-berals are certainly NOT using it to pay down debt or build Transit”?)

These are the folks who condemn anyone who disagrees with them as “climate change deniers”, a dogwhistle meant to smear anyone who deviates from climate change orthodoxy as the equivalent of a denier of the Holocaust.

(LIE-beral minded environmentalists have essentially revived the Nazi ideal of liebensraum- living space for the more deserving races. Basically, civil service Hogs with their fine salaries and solid gold pensions- and LARGE carbon foot print see no reason why they should give up a disproportionate part of their life style- so they fight hard in support of the ineffectual LIE-beral Carbon crap and trade tax scam which is enuring that Hogs can maintain their carbon rich lifestyle!)

(It is widely accepted that we need to cut back on fossil fuel use- but how? Idealogues DO NOT want us to ask “what is the cheapest and easiest way to reduce greenhouse gases”? Forcing the poorest members of the general public to further reduce their already smaller carbon footprint even further by LIE-beral taxation while Hogs maintain or even expand their larger footprint means little real change and no valid result- except to make live even harder for poor people being sucked dry by Hog fiscal vampires.)

(Ontari-owe LIE-berals have already caused a firestorm of protest in 2016 when they mused it might be a good idea to ban the use of natural gas for home heating in the province- and force already hard taxed citizens to use costly electricity for heating and cooking instead. Now imagine the storm of protest if LIE-berals start making it much harder for people to drive- all those people living in small towns with little or no public transit will be screwed- unemployed and starving- so its no good for LIE-berals to start limiting our road access! And what of those people who work late shifts- ones that either start or finish AFTER public transit has shut down? How will they survive if road access is limited by heavy taxes? Or the many women who work late shifts and simply do not feel safe taking public transit late at night thanks to LIE-beral hug a thug judges with their “catch and release” criminal programs?)

(LIE-berals do not wish to discuss the economic realities of our situation as it will limit civil service Hog support for LIE-berals. The only real and fair way to limit climate change is for LIE-berals to recognize that those with the largest carbon foot print should be the primary target of any honest carbon plan. LIE-berals should ban such things as “bubble systems” that are becoming so popular in Muskoka- those electrically powered air compressors that pump air into pipes leading under costly red cedar Muskoka docks loaded with gas guzzling toys. LIE-beral hypocrisy dictates that a waitress who drives a car home from her work late at night is a climate killer while the Hog running an electric air compressor for 6 months per year simply a “consumer”! Yet one uses power out of fear for her safety and the other for convenience only-with one being clearly much more justified than the other!)

(The worker in a small town who must drive to work or starve is another example of LIE-beral hypocrisy- why should the small town driver be condemned for fossil fuel use while the Hog aimlessly roaming the lake on a jet ski is congratulated for “stimulating the economy” with the purchase of the gas guzzling toy? LIE-beral environmental policy will continue to fail and to enrage the public till LIE-berals start setting some honest and real standards that the public recognize as practical and logical- current LIE-beral policy is simply ensuring that Hog voters continue to support LIE-berals in exchange for the gravy needed to continue producing their HUGE carbon footprint- meaning NO change in climate change status!)

I was reminded of this tactic Thursday in the lead-up to a discussion about political responses to climate change in which I was a panelist before a group of Ryerson University MBA students.

My fellow panelist was Andreas Souvaliotis, Executive Chairman of Social Change Rewards Inc. and we both appeared at the invitation of prominent Toronto lawyer Ralph Lean, who organizes a speaker series for Ryerson students.

The problem wasn’t with the students, who asked thoughtful and intelligent questions, nor with my fellow panelist, nor with Lean nor with the students’ professor, Dr. Asher Alkoby, a gracious and open-minded host.

Of course, open-mindedness should be expected in a university setting, but sadly, today that is decreasingly the case as more and more so-called institutions of higher learning replace critical thought with ideological thinking, intellectual laziness and academic decline.

Amusingly, the very mention of the idea on twitter by Ryerson’s MBA program that two non-scientists were about to discuss issues related to climate change was enough to freak out various and sundry self-proclaimed environmentalists, who have appointed themselves the arbiters of who can and who cannot discuss the issue.

Their attitudes, in and of themselves, are insignificant and unimportant.

But they speak to a wider concern that goes to the very heart of our fundamental notions of free speech, critical inquiry and indeed to the essence of the scientific method itself, which is built upon rational skepticism, not the unthinking acceptance of orthodoxy and received wisdom.

(The heavily biased “outrage” of the ideologues is intended to hide the more unsavoury and quite selfish elements of LIE-beral policy! Some Hogs truly think they ARE more entitled than others- and expect to be rewarded for their loyalty!)

Far too often in the climate change debate, the people who will be most affected by government policies to deal with it — meaning all of us — are excluded on the basis that we are not “experts” on climate science.

(IT was self professed staunch long time LIE-beral supporter and well known author Peter C. Newman who told us in his book: “When the Gods Changed” that the LIE-beral party no long stands for anything- no morals, no values, no real policy. Disappointed Newman tells us that LIE-berals have lost their way and now think only of making lists of entitlements and dreaming of ways to enure they are the natural ruling party! Even older LIE-berals such as former finance minister John Manley are deeply disturbed by current LIE-beral spending priorities. And most LIE-berals are disturbed by the growing public hostility to all their policies that have at heart- an intention to BUY votes at any price so LIE-berals can cling to power. Hence the strong but empty LIE-beral rhetoric on climate change and the desire by special interest groups to control and limit debate to protect their own privileges!)

I have seen this tactic used repeatedly over the years — most disgracefully by some politicians — to intimidate people into silence about expressing their views on climate change and its so-called “solutions” such as carbon taxes, cap-and-trade and wind and solar power.

(Wind and solar power certainly have some uses but sadly we will not get any benefit as LIE-berals have set up our electrical system as a giant slush fund for Hogs- and slammed shut the books so we cannot see what they are up too- just another reason for special interest groups-read LIE-beral supporters to stifle any real debate!)

This claim that climate change is the sole purview of “experts” is not only an attack on free speech and critical inquiry, it demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding about what this debate is really all about.

Because it is not, at its essence, an environmental debate at all, but an economic one.

Governments in our own country and all over the world today are either implementing or contemplating a new tax they have never charged us for before — the emission of industrial greenhouse gases linked to climate change into the atmosphere.

(This is the ugly heart of LIE-beral style lebensraum- that some are more entitled to burn fossil fuels than others! With the most wealthy among us- the LIE-beral members of the Sunshine List being MOST ENTITLED to ruin our environment as they merely amuse and entertain themselves while their legislation makes it ever harder for the rest of us to manage necessities!)

It matters not whether they do it through a carbon tax or cap-and-trade, which is simply a carbon tax by another name, albeit less efficient and more open to political corruption.

What matters is that since we — all of us — are the ultimate polluters because we buy the goods and services that fossil fuel energy creates and transports, we will be the ultimate payers of what prime minister-designate Justin Trudeau vaguely refers to as “carbon pricing.”

In other words, what is actually being determined in the climate change debate is what will be our cost of living and our standard and quality of life.

(Yes- happy Hogs require LOTS of lebensraum!)

Every citizen has the right to participate in that debate, without fear of being mocked or shouted down because they are not an “expert” on the science of global warming.

Which is why the dogwhistlers, with their specious comparisons of anyone who disagrees with them to Holocaust deniers and their disrespect for critical thinking, must be fought at every turn.