It's time to bring the death penalty back!
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And racism doesn't exist today? Forensics labs and police forces aren't perfect either.sine000 said:
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yes...they might not be PERFECT.....there is always a bleach with something....ah.....
MOCKINGBIRD was a different story....Black/ White.....White Superior over Black...
agentkgb said:
yes...they might not be PERFECT.....there is always a bleach with something....ah.....
MOCKINGBIRD was a different story....Black/ White.....White Superior over Black...
It seems strange to me that Canada won't execute the very worst, the most repugnant and vile of its citizens and yet sees nothing wrong in sending young men and women to Afghanistan to face the ultimate penalty from agencies there.
If it's unthinkable to execute, to kill, to permanently remove those who violate every rule decent communities live by then why is it okay to send young people overseas, some to a certain death?
If it's unthinkable to execute, to kill, to permanently remove those who violate every rule decent communities live by then why is it okay to send young people overseas, some to a certain death?
I have gathered statistics from Both Canada and the USA and well our crime rate is still well below our neighbour the USA.I am enclosing the URLs http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/040728/d040728a.htm those who wish to check them out and for the USA http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm.Here is also a pdf document that shows 123 Americans on death row were released because they were wrongfully convicted in the first place. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/Fac...ed death penalty cases in the USA statistics" I do not want that for Canada. People make mistakes and a jury and prosecution of an innocent man is a mistake but you can not undue the mistake when the guy is dead.
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Be reasonable, tamarin—I think you know what sine000 meant.tamarin said:
In the past 5 years or so we have a half dozen cases where men were found to be wrongfully convicted of murder and serving time for crimes they did not commit. The state of Illinois has now put a moratorium on executions because the governor realized that the legal system is simply not reliable enough. Once you execute someone, you cannot take it back. We do not have an infallible legal system. If we did, I might agree with you. But we do not and since it is based on human judgment, the chances that we ever will are slim to none.
Jay said:
And if we had capital punishment how would this have been any different? He still would have received the plea deal, and he still would have been set free. What we need is a complete overhaul of the way our criminal justice system works. That doesn't mean adding a feature that doesn't do anything, and has quite a bit of moral baggage to go with it. It means fixing it.
As an aside, why is it that the most conservative (and religious) regions always seem to want to use the state to kill people, but don't want to have to use their money to pay for it? Curious...
Thought this would be an appropriate topic to revive in order to share this article from the Globe and Mail on Friday, January 22, 2010.
If one can believe polls, and I know many don’t, this one appears to show that a majority of Canadians now support the death penalty. I believe I would like to see several more polls, showing similar results, before I would say this is a new trend.
Canadians' views on crime are hardening, poll finds - The Globe and Mail
Canadians' views on crime are hardening, poll finds
Kirk Makin Justice Reporter
From Friday’s Globe and Mail
Published on Thursday, Jan. 21, 2010
Last updated on Friday, Jan. 22, 2010
Despite falling crime rates, majority of Canadians support mandatory minimum sentences – even the death penalty.
“This hardening attitude among Canadians is revealed in a new Angus Reid public opinion survey that found 62 per cent of respondents favour capital punishment for murderers, while 31 per cent believe that rapists should be put to death.
The figure is a significant boost from the last such survey, in 2004, when 48 per cent favoured capital punishment for murderers.”
Makes one wonder what has happened in the intervening six years to change the opinion of so many. If, indeed, crime is down in Canada, then whatever has driven 14% of respondents to change their minds?
“There is a strong sense that punishment is an appropriate response to criminal acts, and that we are kind of cynical about reform,” said Andrew Grenville, chief research officer at Angus Reid. “There is strong support for severely punishing people. This is not the way Canadians tend to describe themselves.”
Is it just me, but don’t these sentences contradict one another? If Canadians don’t describe themselves this way, then where is the ‘strong support’ coming from???
“The findings are in harmony with a mantra that has emerged from Parliament in the last couple of years. The federal government has introduced 17 bills in the justice field, most of which crack down on crime and toughen sentencing provisions.”
Mantra: A mystical formula of invocation or incantation. (Merriam-Webster) In other words, Canadians are all under some magical spell cast by the government. That’s pretty heavy magic, IMHO.
“Sanjeev Anand, a University of Alberta law professor, said that Canadians are ignoring warnings from law professors and criminologists that mandatory minimums do not deter crime. “I think they are buying Ottawa's message,” he said. “They are not thinking the way criminals think. Most criminal acts are impulsive; they are not well thought out.”
Some of us may be ‘ignoring warnings from law professors and criminologists’ because we read sentences like this and have to wonder whatever were they thinking, when they said it. If we were thinking like criminals, I am quite sure we would have an entirely different slant on the matter. Point is, most of us are fairly law abiding citizens (left some leeway there).
“Craig Jones, executive director of the John Howard Society of Canada, said the survey results “reveal quite a stark disconnect from reality. I certainly see where the government thinks it is gaining support for its crime agenda,” he said.”
I see, so not only are we under a spell by the government but we are also delusional – gotcha! At this rate, I expect we will all be a bunch of slobberin’ idgits by the end of the article.
“Add to that the kinds of news sources that people consume on a regular basis,” he said. “Our brains are primed to freak out faster than to deliberate.”
What did I say! Spell bound, delusionary, and freaking out of our minds - there is no hope for us at all.
I simply can’t read anymore. ;-)
Again, the entire article may be found at:
Canadians' views on crime are hardening, poll finds - The Globe and Mail
If one can believe polls, and I know many don’t, this one appears to show that a majority of Canadians now support the death penalty. I believe I would like to see several more polls, showing similar results, before I would say this is a new trend.
Canadians' views on crime are hardening, poll finds - The Globe and Mail
Canadians' views on crime are hardening, poll finds
Kirk Makin Justice Reporter
From Friday’s Globe and Mail
Published on Thursday, Jan. 21, 2010
Last updated on Friday, Jan. 22, 2010
Despite falling crime rates, majority of Canadians support mandatory minimum sentences – even the death penalty.
“This hardening attitude among Canadians is revealed in a new Angus Reid public opinion survey that found 62 per cent of respondents favour capital punishment for murderers, while 31 per cent believe that rapists should be put to death.
The figure is a significant boost from the last such survey, in 2004, when 48 per cent favoured capital punishment for murderers.”
Makes one wonder what has happened in the intervening six years to change the opinion of so many. If, indeed, crime is down in Canada, then whatever has driven 14% of respondents to change their minds?
“There is a strong sense that punishment is an appropriate response to criminal acts, and that we are kind of cynical about reform,” said Andrew Grenville, chief research officer at Angus Reid. “There is strong support for severely punishing people. This is not the way Canadians tend to describe themselves.”
Is it just me, but don’t these sentences contradict one another? If Canadians don’t describe themselves this way, then where is the ‘strong support’ coming from???
“The findings are in harmony with a mantra that has emerged from Parliament in the last couple of years. The federal government has introduced 17 bills in the justice field, most of which crack down on crime and toughen sentencing provisions.”
Mantra: A mystical formula of invocation or incantation. (Merriam-Webster) In other words, Canadians are all under some magical spell cast by the government. That’s pretty heavy magic, IMHO.
“Sanjeev Anand, a University of Alberta law professor, said that Canadians are ignoring warnings from law professors and criminologists that mandatory minimums do not deter crime. “I think they are buying Ottawa's message,” he said. “They are not thinking the way criminals think. Most criminal acts are impulsive; they are not well thought out.”
Some of us may be ‘ignoring warnings from law professors and criminologists’ because we read sentences like this and have to wonder whatever were they thinking, when they said it. If we were thinking like criminals, I am quite sure we would have an entirely different slant on the matter. Point is, most of us are fairly law abiding citizens (left some leeway there).
“Craig Jones, executive director of the John Howard Society of Canada, said the survey results “reveal quite a stark disconnect from reality. I certainly see where the government thinks it is gaining support for its crime agenda,” he said.”
I see, so not only are we under a spell by the government but we are also delusional – gotcha! At this rate, I expect we will all be a bunch of slobberin’ idgits by the end of the article.
“Add to that the kinds of news sources that people consume on a regular basis,” he said. “Our brains are primed to freak out faster than to deliberate.”
What did I say! Spell bound, delusionary, and freaking out of our minds - there is no hope for us at all.
I simply can’t read anymore. ;-)
Again, the entire article may be found at:
Canadians' views on crime are hardening, poll finds - The Globe and Mail
Haven't yet read the article but I will...first initial reaction is "wow!" I will say that I take exception to the "experts" telling me how or what I should think about it all...will comment further after I peruse it all...thanks for posting it!
Will await your reply, CB. I posted this with a bit of tongue-in-cheek as I found some of the statements by 'experts' to be just a tad over the top. :smile:
I find that to be true of many experts and specialists these days...By the very nature of the word(s), it must be hard for many of them to fashion an accurate and fair "big picture" in their minds as they can be so focused on one piece of the puzzle. I think the "generalists" (public) should have the last word on these things.
I shouldn't be, but I am a bit surprised that the G&M would publish such dithering. Really, if they want us to take the poll seriously couldn't they have found someone who either didn't either contradict themselves or make Canadians out to be complete fools??? 8O
I will let Angus Reid know this, Risus. They can up their percentage points of people supporting the measure. ;-)