It's A Great Day For the West

[DichotoMe]

Not as much of an impact as electing the NDP.

Believe what you like. The reality is that eople were forced to leave to find work for the last two decades, they went to Alberta and Ontario. Those people left for a reason I can respect. People leaving because of the NDP are leaving because they are scared of uncertainty. I have no respect for cowards and rich greedy a$$ho1es. Run cowards run.

Well yes, that explains alot. After all, the entire province is just like Calgary.

Really, glad I got out then. lol

 

[TenPenny]

So far, I think what the NDP in NS has done is enact some tax increases that the PCs were going to do...pretty radical so far.

 

[Cannuck]

During the last budget NL was the only province...the only province to receive $0.00 in transfer payments. As a matter of fact Harper, in his typical divisive kind of way, managed to manipulate $1.6B away from the province in that budget.

Absolute rubbish! You should be ashamed of yourself for treating the members of this forum with such utter disrespect. You actually believe people here are that stupid?

CBC News Interactive: Transfer payments

 

[pegger]

Absolute rubbish! You should be ashamed of yourself for treating the members of this forum with such utter disrespect. You actually believe people here are that stupid?

CBC News Interactive: Transfer payments

Interesting that the 3 "have" provinces in the west received 13.4 Billion from the Feds, when the 4 "culture of dependancy provinces" from the East coast only received 7 billion....

Throw in Manitoba - and the west received more than those "money grubbing" Quebeckers... (16.7 Billion vs 16.6 Billion)....

Ontario - with 40% of the population only received 19.4 B (out of 62 B - or 30%)

Interesting stuff.....

 

[JLM]

Interesting that the 3 "have" provinces in the west received 13.4 Billion from the Feds, when the 4 "culture of dependancy provinces" from the East coast only received 7 billion....

Throw in Manitoba - and the west received more than those "money grubbing" Quebeckers... (16.7 Billion vs 16.6 Billion)....

Ontario - with 40% of the population only received 19.4 B (out of 62 B - or 30%)

Interesting stuff.....

I suspect the formula is a little more complicated than just a population %age and need like, possibly degree of need. Lets see what we can find out about transfer payments from a reliable source.

 

[L Gilbert]

Bill C-65:An Act to amend the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act (LS-333E)

 

[Cannuck]

Interesting that the 3 "have" provinces in the west received 13.4 Billion from the Feds, when the 4 "culture of dependancy provinces" from the East coast only received 7 billion....

I think you are confusing equalization with transfers. The west received almost 2.2 billion in equalization with the overwhelming majority going to Manitoba (1.7B - NDP government btw). The four Atlantic provinces got almost 3.9 billion.

Health and social transfers are based on population so it makes sense that the west would get more of that.

 

[pegger]

You say "equalization"... I say "transfers" (i.e. Tomayto....Tomaato)

How about - Money from the Feds?

It would be interesting to see "total transfers - including equalization" in that chart...

Edit - oh wait - that chart DOES include equalization.....even more interesting...

 

[Cannuck]

You say "equalization"... I say "transfers" (i.e. Tomayto....Tomaato)

How about - Money from the Feds?

How about money from the people since the feds aren't a source of money, they are just collectors and redistributers? Since things like health care transfer payments are based on population, it is taxing Albertans and then giving it back to Albertans. Equalization is taxing Albertans and giving it to Kweebeckers or Mannytobins.

 

[pegger]

While your view is simplistic, it is precisely why the Feds shouldn't be doling out money for health care, etc...

Even equalization - which in a broad, theoretical sense I agree with, but the way its handled today, and what it has turned into, I don't agree with - should be reviewed and ended.

However, we would need a government with a backbone to do that...

My point was more to the fact that when you look at the $$s being doled out across the country - for one region (i.e. the West) to call another region (i.e. Quebec or the Maritimes) "welfare bums" is hypocritical - they ALL get money from the Feds.

 

[Cannuck]

My point was more to the fact that when you look at the $$s being doled out across the country - for one region (i.e. the West) to call another region (i.e. Quebec or the Maritimes) "welfare bums" is hypocritical - they ALL get money from the Feds.

No it isn't hypocritical. It may be wrong but it isn't hypocritical. Alberta does not "receive" anything from the feds. The amount of money leaving the province is greater than the money coming back. The same can not be said of Kweebeck or any of the Maritime provinces.

If you give me $100 and I give you $50 back and then give Ron $50, you are saying that you would be hypocritical if you complained because you got $50. You really should be calling my views simplistic.

 

[Nuggler]

There are a few of us on this forum from the east coast. You'll get to know them if you stick around long enough. This forum is top heavy with western folk and sometimes the conversation can be one sided with western philosophy on religion and politics rising to the forefront. For example, the topic of Danny Williams seems to send most westerners into a frenzy, mainly because he is the total opposite of their man Harper and a threat to their place at the top of the heap. That's understandable when you've been so used to a burdgeoning economy, an economy that is now idling at best. Although there have been a couple of juicy announcements recently with Kearl Lake and Connagher coming online.

Yeah, I came for the money...stayed for the golf. Gotta put the push on so I can retire from this rat race tuit suite. And golfing makes it all worthwhile. The Edmonton area has some wonderful courses. If there was a religion based around golf I think I'd attend. I recommend it for your body and soul.

Good on ya for sticking to your roots. I have several friends who stuck it out on the Rock as well. I sometimes feel like a traitor when I visit them on those rare trips back home. They've been holding the fort while I go off looking for gold and all the while it was sitting right there in front of me. There are 10's of thousands like me who left for the money and curse themselves everyday for selling out.

St. John's rocks.

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[lone wolf]

My car insurance dropped by 50% when I moved to Manitoba. It doubled when I came back to Ontario.

Mandatory car insurance (private sector and basically unregulated) became law under a Conservative government ... and became ever more profitable when the Libs made it no-fault. Rae was going to make it province run ... but couldn't for a variety of reasons. I'll match my driving record against any in Ontario. Still, even with this "over fifty glory", my rate is insane because good drivers have to subsidize lousy drivers and their boo-boos.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

Absolute rubbish! You should be ashamed of yourself for treating the members of this forum with such utter disrespect. You actually believe people here are that stupid?

CBC News Interactive: Transfer payments

It pains me deeply to have to admit I was wrong...especially to you Cannuck. I'd rather eat shyte and die. I should have done my due diligence and researched before making such a statement. Ashamed? Never. Respect? For 99% of the folks on this forum. You would fall into the remaining 1%. Stupid? I actually do believe some (not all) on this forum are a step beyond stupid and land smack dab in the mentally delayed catagory.

The fact still remains that NL is not on any phucking government teat anymore, so get off that bandwagon now. How long do you expect to ride that BS?

 

[pegger]

No it isn't hypocritical. It may be wrong but it isn't hypocritical. Alberta does not "receive" anything from the feds. The amount of money leaving the province is greater than the money coming back. The same can not be said of Kweebeck or any of the Maritime provinces.

If you give me $100 and I give you $50 back and then give Ron $50, you are saying that you would be hypocritical if you complained because you got $50. You really should be calling my views simplistic.

That would be true - but you are assuming that Quebec sends less money in than it receives - in total. Without the comparison of what taxes are received INTO the Federal reallocation regime by each province, you cannot make that judgement.

I read "somewhere" that one of the reasons the PQ and Bloc say Quebec can afford to go it alone is that federal transfers INTO Quebec EQUAL federal taxes coming OUT of Quebec.

Federal taxes paid by Albertans is not "Alberta's money." It is taxes paid by all citizens - at the same rate(s), regardless of where they live - to fund various programs and expenses of the feds. All Canadians benefit from it. Some of the programs should be stopped, because of the inherent unfairness in them - however all Canadians are treated equally.

PS - I assume you missed a not in your last line:cheers:

 

[TenPenny]

The fact still remains that NL is not on any phucking government teat anymore, so get off that bandwagon now. How long do you expect to ride that BS?

So you're claiming that NL doesn't receive any money from the federal gov't? Or are you claiming that NL sends more money to the federal gov't than it receives?

Can you clarify that, and post some sources?

 

[mt_pockets1000]

NL receives the typical monies for health, education, roads just like all other provinces. They pay taxes just like you so they receive the same benefits as you. As far as 'equalization' payments go, no, NL payed out more than it took in this year.

2009-2010

Quebec and Manitoba will receive the most from equalization payments in the 2009-2010 year.[3]

In the 2009-2010 year, the following provinces will receive equalization payments: [4]


Quebec
Manitoba
New Brunswick
Nova Scotia
Ontario
Prince Edward Island


The following provinces will not qualify for equalization payments in 2009-2010:

Alberta
Saskatchewan
Newfoundland
British Columbia



Source: Dept. of Finance Canada, accessed 15 June 2009

 

[TenPenny]

NL receives the typical monies for health, education, roads just like all other provinces. They pay taxes just like you so they receive the same benefits as you. As far as 'equalization' payments go, no, NL payed out more than it took in this year.

Which is quite a different thing than claiming that NL receives no money from Ottawa.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

And I think I've admitted/apologized for the errors of my ways. Thank you for pointing it out once again though. You can never get too much mileage out of an old beater.

If transfer payments and equalization payments are one and the same with some slight variances, then I'd like to see the combined numbers. The money all comes from the same stinking pile, whether we call it transfer or equalization. The question becomes: did NL receive more in transfer payments than she gave back in equalization payments. If not, then NL received $0 in this budget. I don't give a flying puck whether she received money or not but the correct information should be laid on the table and not sugar coated to make it look like the province is on the take. Perpetuate the stereotype all you want but the facts speak for themselves.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Has some bright person here already found the stats showing (not just NL,
but all the provinces) $$$ sent to Ottawa vs. $$$ cash received from
Federal Gov't, broke down on a Prov by Prov basis? It would be
interesting to see this for about the last 100 years, and a total. 8O

I've looked for this in the past, and had no luck finding it. :-?
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