Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

[cortex]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

Pretext and context escapes the Gopher.

There had to come a time when Israel had to do
something about the 30,000 rockets of all varieties
amassed by Hezbollah.

You think Hezbollah was not planning a surprise ???

No it escapes YOU---completely..

 

[para-dice]

WEll, we pretty much agree on one thing:


Israel hits back harder. :/

 

[gopher]

RE: Israel's Response: Se

"Love your posts gopher, keep up the fight for truth!"


Thanks!

The quest for Truth is the quest for Peace! And, as the Bible says, BLESSED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS FOR THEY SHALL BE CALLED THE CHILDREN OF GOD.

 

[wallyj]

Hezbolla currently holds 14 of 128 seats in the Lebanese Parliament.That is about the same as the NDP.Could you imagine Jack,Alexa and the rest of them invading the U.S. No,it would never happen in a civilized society. But over there,no problem. Hezbolla are terrorists pure and simple.very simple,they must be wiped out for the good of Lebanon.

 

[jimmoyer]

Wait until Hezbollah gets nuclear weaponry.
That'll be a first time a nation is not controlling such
weaponry.

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

Hezbolla currently holds 14 of 128 seats in the Lebanese Parliament.That is about the same as the NDP.Could you imagine Jack,Alexa and the rest of them invading the U.S. No,it would never happen in a civilized society. But over there,no problem. Hezbolla are terrorists pure and simple.very simple,they must be wiped out for the good of Lebanon.

Wait a minute, hezbollah havent invaded anyone, and hezbollah arent terrorist, they are resistance.

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

Pretext and context escapes the Gopher.

There had to come a time when Israel had to do
something about the 30,000 rockets of all varieties
amassed by Hezbollah.

You think Hezbollah was not planning a surprise ???

Just for your own information, hezbollah has killed more soldiers than civilians, which isnt the case with israel-governement.

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

Seems the rockets were required for defensive purposes.
What was you point?

I know!! That's why their manifesto says "we will do everything required to defend the people of Lebanon so that they can live in peace".

Oh, wait....no, it says: "We recognize no treaty with it(Israel), no cease fire, and no peace agreements, whether separate or consolidated."

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

Pretext and context escapes the Gopher.

There had to come a time when Israel had to do
something about the 30,000 rockets of all varieties
amassed by Hezbollah.

You think Hezbollah was not planning a surprise ???

Just for your own information, hezbollah has killed more soldiers than civilians, which isnt the case with israel-governement.

That wouldn't be the case if they could help it. Put it this way...Hezboallah TRIED to kill more civilians, while Israel TRIED to kill less civilians. That's the ultimate difference. They don't deny it. In fact they boast about it.

 

[athabaska]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

Pretext and context escapes the Gopher.

There had to come a time when Israel had to do
something about the 30,000 rockets of all varieties
amassed by Hezbollah.

You think Hezbollah was not planning a surprise ???

Just for your own information, hezbollah has killed more soldiers than civilians, which isnt the case with israel-governement.

That wouldn't be the case if they could help it. Put it this way...Hezboallah TRIED to kill more civilians, while Israel TRIED to kill less civilians. That's the ultimate difference. They don't deny it. In fact they boast about it.

Excellent summary. The pro-terrorist lobby would think it a fairer fight if the Islamo-fascists were more efficient at murdering civilians.

 

[gopher]

"There had to come a time when Israel had to do
something about the 30,000 rockets of all varieties
amassed by Hezbollah."


There is nothing in international law that allows Israel to determine how Lebanese may arm themselves.

Suppose Russia was to invade the USA on the grounds that it has too many missiles, would they be justified in doing so?

As been proven previously, Israel is the aggressor and merits severe sanctions for its violations of international law.

 

[gopher]

"Israel TRIED to kill less civilians."


See my earlier post from Christian Science Monitor to prove that Israel deliberately targeted civilians. The pro-terrorists rejoice at the death of Lebanese civilians and it shows how filled with hatred they are.

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

"There had to come a time when Israel had to do
something about the 30,000 rockets of all varieties
amassed by Hezbollah."


There is nothing in international law that allows Israel to determine how Lebanese may arm themselves.

Suppose Russia was to invade the USA on the grounds that it has too many missiles, would they be justified in doing so?

As been proven previously, Israel is the aggressor and merits severe sanctions for its violations of international law.

So Hizboallah and the Lebanese army are one and the same. Thank you for clearing that up, I suspected as much all along. Forward this to the thread asking on what basis Israel can object to Lebanon's cease-fire plan.

 

[Caleb-Dain Matton]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

Pretext and context escapes the Gopher.

There had to come a time when Israel had to do
something about the 30,000 rockets of all varieties
amassed by Hezbollah.

You think Hezbollah was not planning a surprise ???

Just for your own information, hezbollah has killed more soldiers than civilians, which isnt the case with israel-governement.

That wouldn't be the case if they could help it. Put it this way...Hezboallah TRIED to kill more civilians, while Israel TRIED to kill less civilians. That's the ultimate difference. They don't deny it. In fact they boast about it.

You sure about that JTF. Got source? Also, can someone find the newest numbers of soldier deaths to civilian ratios for both sides? This should piss your TRIED statement under the carpet.

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

Pretext and context escapes the Gopher.

There had to come a time when Israel had to do
something about the 30,000 rockets of all varieties
amassed by Hezbollah.

You think Hezbollah was not planning a surprise ???

Just for your own information, hezbollah has killed more soldiers than civilians, which isnt the case with israel-governement.

That wouldn't be the case if they could help it. Put it this way...Hezboallah TRIED to kill more civilians, while Israel TRIED to kill less civilians. That's the ultimate difference. They don't deny it. In fact they boast about it.

You sure about that JTF. Got source? Also, can someone find the newest numbers of soldier deaths to civilian ratios for both sides? This should piss your TRIED statement under the carpet.

Whatsamatter, your google broken? Too easy.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284514,00.html#n

Anti-Syrian elements in Lebanon openly point finger at Hizbullah as guilty of killing of dozens of civilians in order to curtail plans for disarming group.


http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2ZiMTE4ODM3MmRmZjY4YTE1ZThhYjQ1NDc0NTQyOGQ

Even for the Lebanese, there should be no question Israelis are the good guys.
The Israeli government is probably the only government that drops leaflets warning civilians to evacuate before bombing. She is taking every precaution possible not to kill civilians. She intends only to target Hezbollah. This is not an easy task considering Hezbollah is using civilians as human shields by shooting missiles from their homes.

http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_Aug2006.htm#b020806

Hezbollah takes unequivocal pride in its responsibility for causing Israeli civilians casualties. Indeed, Hezbollah celebrates its attacks on civilians as restoring "honor".

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/012447.php

“Laughing, a local sheikh explained to me that the Jews lose either way: either because the rockets are fired at them or because, if they attack munitions depot, they are condemned by world public opinion on account of the dead civilians.” Hezbollah, he says, uses the civilian population “as a human shield and then when they are dead as propaganda.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006350020,00.html

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said: “The Hezbollah is using its residents as a human shield. They want to see children’s blood, this is the only weapon they have left”.

The Israeli leader expressed his “great sorrow” for the deaths of civilians and added: “There is nothing further from our thoughts and our interests than striking civilians. Everyone understands this.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3280658,00.html

"We are going to make Israel not safe for Israelis. There will be no place they are safe,"

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153291976348&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

In Teheran, the government has sanctioned billboards showing Hizbullah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah and a message that it is the duty of Muslims to "wipe out" Israel.

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/16652.html

In 2006, Samir Kuntar, a Lebanese member of Hezballah, was awarded honorary Palestinian citizenship for these murders.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I don't often agree with Barbara Amiel, but in her column in last week's Maclean's magazine she remarked that it seems everybody will agree that Israel has a right to defend itself until it actually does so. Then it gets vilified for over-reacting, killing civilians, and all the rest of it. But the basic facts are unchanged since 1949: Israel is surrrounded and infiltrated by people sworn to destroy it, and Israel's reaction to such people and the groups they belong to is entirely predictable: kill 'em off. That's exactly what I'd do in the same circumstances. Israel's neighbours haven't figured out yet one of the facts of life: the Arab-Israeli wars are over, the Arabs lost, it's time to move on. Israel exists, and will continue to exist; get over it.

George Bush, in a rare moment of comprehension, got it right: Israel's enemies just have to stop doing this shit. If outfits like the PLO, Hamas, and Hezbollah, would just stop attacking Israel, there would be peace. There's some legitimate bitterness over the original creation of Israel and the displacement of the people who lived in the territory that became Israel, but a little hard-nosed realism and a willingness to accommodate could fix that. All that prevents a solution is stupidity and short-sightedness.

 

[thomaska]

I don't often agree with Barbara Amiel, but in her column in last week's Maclean's magazine she remarked that it seems everybody will agree that Israel has a right to defend itself until it actually does so. Then it gets vilified for over-reacting, killing civilians, and all the rest of it. But the basic facts are unchanged since 1949: Israel is surrrounded and infiltrated by people sworn to destroy it, and Israel's reaction to such people and the groups they belong to is entirely predictable: kill 'em off. That's exactly what I'd do in the same circumstances. Israel's neighbours haven't figured out yet one of the facts of life: the Arab-Israeli wars are over, the Arabs lost, it's time to move on. Israel exists, and will continue to exist; get over it.

George Bush, in a rare moment of comprehension, got it right: Israel's enemies just have to stop doing this shit. If outfits like the PLO, Hamas, and Hezbollah, would just stop attacking Israel, there would be peace. There's some legitimate bitterness over the original creation of Israel and the displacement of the people who lived in the territory that became Israel, but a little hard-nosed realism and a willingness to accommodate could fix that. All that prevents a solution is stupidity and short-sightedness.

Wow. Best post I've seen to date. Concise, and to the point. Bravo, Dex

 

[Caleb-Dain Matton]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

Pretext and context escapes the Gopher.

There had to come a time when Israel had to do
something about the 30,000 rockets of all varieties
amassed by Hezbollah.

You think Hezbollah was not planning a surprise ???

Just for your own information, hezbollah has killed more soldiers than civilians, which isnt the case with israel-governement.

That wouldn't be the case if they could help it. Put it this way...Hezboallah TRIED to kill more civilians, while Israel TRIED to kill less civilians. That's the ultimate difference. They don't deny it. In fact they boast about it.

You sure about that JTF. Got source? Also, can someone find the newest numbers of soldier deaths to civilian ratios for both sides? This should piss your TRIED statement under the carpet.

Whatsamatter, your google broken? Too easy.

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Funny thing about Google JTF...it's not academically sound. Face it, you're grasping for air with your Israeli terrorist apologist posts.

 

[gopher]

RE: Israel's Response: Se

And note how those were right wing sources who make up their own "facts".

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

Pretext and context escapes the Gopher.

There had to come a time when Israel had to do
something about the 30,000 rockets of all varieties
amassed by Hezbollah.

You think Hezbollah was not planning a surprise ???

Just for your own information, hezbollah has killed more soldiers than civilians, which isnt the case with israel-governement.

That wouldn't be the case if they could help it. Put it this way...Hezboallah TRIED to kill more civilians, while Israel TRIED to kill less civilians. That's the ultimate difference. They don't deny it. In fact they boast about it.

Israel try to kill less civilians?

I certainly wish one day, israel will not try to kill civilians, otherwise how bad will it be?

Hezbollah claim they want to kill more civlian, but they don't,in fact israel does it.

Hamas claim they want to drive out the jews out of their land( technically impossible), but they can't, in fact israel does it to the palestinians.