Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

So, today Hezbollah had its greatest success......one rocket killed 12 Israeli reservists (a legitimate military target) while other rockets hit a crowded street in Haifa, collapsing a building and killing an undisclosed number of Israeli civilians.

These civilians were TARGETED, unlike Israeli "collateral damage". (I hate the term, but everyone knows what it means)

My question is.....where are all the threads expressing outrage at these civilian deaths? Why is no one accusing Hezbollah of "war crimes"?

I begin to suspect our lefty peaceniks are far from neutral in this conflict......

Collateral damamge? you must be kidding right?


Do you know what it needs to be considered as wars crimes? You need to destroyed civilians infrastructure, with heavy artillerie, or airforce, something hezbollah, doesnt have.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

So, today Hezbollah had its greatest success......one rocket killed 12 Israeli reservists (a legitimate military target) while other rockets hit a crowded street in Haifa, collapsing a building and killing an undisclosed number of Israeli civilians.

These civilians were TARGETED, unlike Israeli "collateral damage". (I hate the term, but everyone knows what it means)

My question is.....where are all the threads expressing outrage at these civilian deaths? Why is no one accusing Hezbollah of "war crimes"?

I begin to suspect our lefty peaceniks are far from neutral in this conflict......

Collateral damamge? you must be kidding right?


Do you know what it needs to be considered as wars crimes? You need to destroyed civilians infrastructure, with heavy artillerie, or airforce, something hezbollah, doesnt have.

What is "civilian infrastructure"?

The phrase is nonsensical.

Hezbollah brings its weapons into Lebanon down the same roads, and over the same bridges, as civilians use. That makes them a legitimate target. When Hezbollah fires those rockets at Israel from civilian towns and civilian buildings, that makes them legitimate targets.

This is EXACTLY the kind of foolishness I'm talking about. Israel has legitimate military aims, which can only be achieved (unfortunately) by hitting targets where civilians are present.

Hezbollah is just trying to kill civilians.

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

So, today Hezbollah had its greatest success......one rocket killed 12 Israeli reservists (a legitimate military target) while other rockets hit a crowded street in Haifa, collapsing a building and killing an undisclosed number of Israeli civilians.

These civilians were TARGETED, unlike Israeli "collateral damage". (I hate the term, but everyone knows what it means)

My question is.....where are all the threads expressing outrage at these civilian deaths? Why is no one accusing Hezbollah of "war crimes"?

I begin to suspect our lefty peaceniks are far from neutral in this conflict......

Collateral damamge? you must be kidding right?


Do you know what it needs to be considered as wars crimes? You need to destroyed civilians infrastructure, with heavy artillerie, or airforce, something hezbollah, doesnt have.

What is "civilian infrastructure"?

The phrase is nonsensical.

Hezbollah brings its weapons into Lebanon down the same roads, and over the same bridges, as civilians use. That makes them a legitimate target. When Hezbollah fires those rockets at Israel from civilian towns and civilian buildings, that makes them legitimate targets.

This is EXACTLY the kind of foolishness I'm talking about. Israel has legitimate military aims, which can only be achieved (unfortunately) by hitting targets where civilians are present.

Hezbollah is just trying to kill civilians.

By your sam logic, the people of Isreal pay taxes to support the IDF which bombs Arab peoples, thus they are legit targets of Hezbollah.

Both sides shouldn't be bombing innocents. But Isreal with so much american smart weapons could take more precautions then the ww2 tech Hezbollah is using. While Isreal uses, F15's and f18's with lazer guided bombs, and m1's on the ground and an assortment of other weapons, Hezbollah uses mostly unguided missles.

 

[athabaska]

As in most polls the options don't reflect the scope of reality and thus colour the results.

In WW2 we declared war on Germany. We (the British, Canadians, etc. were not attacked). Did violence against targeted minorities by the Nazis increase or decrease after we started to drop bombs and shoot bullets? It increased. BUT, the numbers of minoritiies murdered in the Holocaust was less than it would have eventually been if Hitler had been given a free hand.

So, yes, violence will 'increase. Unfortunately, violence would have increased eventually even more if Israel was not pro-active in defending itself.

Preventative maintenance has a cost but not as much as the eventual bill that arrives if maintenance is neglected. Israelis can quite handily afford to turn the Arabs over their knee and ive them a well deserved spanking once a decade or so.

 

[Finder]

There's many difference in compairing WW2 with the current conflic.

1. Germany invaded our allies of which we had treaties with.
2. Germany attacked other sovereign nations. Isreal is actually an aggressor here as they occupy Golan Heights, Palestine and parts of Lebanon.
3. Canada has no treaty with Isreal saying we will join them in an aggressive war against it's nabours.
4. Isreal is highly armed with a modern arsenal of American tech, there foes are using tech which is over 60 years old now.
5. Isreali has the most modern and largest air force in the region.
6. Isreal is bombing civilian targets with guided weapons.
7. Canada's responce to the invasion of Poland by Germany a hostile power which had been annexing left right and centre in Europe was a messured responce to the threat to Canada's greatest ally, the UK. Isreal is at much at fault for the current conflic as Lebanon or Hezbollah is.


If anything, if the right wing has learned anything from the lessions of WW2 which it appears it has not, the responce should come from the United Nations, and we should stand beside this dession and be ready to support it completely. Harper who supports a UN manadate stated two weeks ago Canada would not take part in peace keeping missions in the region.

Both sides, both Isreal and Hezbollah are doing this out of Revenge and self defence, and both sides will not listen to each other.

 

[athabaska]

"4. Isreal is highly armed with a modern arsenal of American tech, there foes are using tech which is over 60 years old now.
5. Isreali has the most modern and largest air force in the region. "

True. Just shows just how bozo Hezbozo is. After 60 years of jumping up and down and screaming 'death to Israel' or some other hatred flavour of the week, the Arabs don't even have the means to murder (although they try their darnest) more Israelis in the last 3 weeks than have died of old age.

Israel will put them over the knee for a well deserved spanking and confine them to the playpen for a few years until the Hezbozos climb out again for another spanking.

Meanwhile Aabs will dress their tots in cute little suicide bomber outfits an warn 'just you wait until Abdul junior the 4th grows up!'. Ya, Ya, heard it for 60 years and Abdul junior is going to grow up in is a world of squalor and ignorance....and be eventually turned over the Israeli knee for a good spanking.

'Hey Abdul, see those marks on the wall? That's where greatgrand pappy, grandpappy and pappy all ran full speed and tried to go through the wall instead of the door. Now take these here running shoes and practice running real fast just to show those evil Jews that you can run just as hard into a brickwall.'

 

[gopher]

Correction: Israel is doing it out of aggression.

 

[athabaska]

"Both sides, both Isreal and Hezbollah are doing this out of Revenge and self defence, and both sides will not listen to each other."

Probably true. No skin off the noses of most Israelis. Their children lead more or less a western standard of living. Good health care. Good education. Swimming lessons. Ipods. A nation of Nobel Pize Laureates, advaced cutting edge technology, communications and so on.

The status quo isn't all that bad for them. Jews keep moving to Israel and bring innovation, education and wealth.

If nothing changes then so be it for Israelis. As for the Arabs? they don't sem to care about the futures of their children and will also continue on the same path...a pathetic existence of poverty and hatred. Build the country up, support the Hezbozos, fire a few rockets and then get slapped around again. Slow learners.

 

[sanch]

"Both sides, both Isreal and Hezbollah are doing this out of Revenge and self defence, and both sides will not listen to each other."

Probably true. No skin off the noses of most Israelis. Their children lead more or less a western standard of living. Good health care. Good education. Swimming lessons. Ipods. A nation of Nobel Pize Laureates, advaced cutting edge technology, communications and so on.

The status quo isn't all that bad for them. Jews keep moving to Israel and bring innovation, education and wealth.

If nothing changes then so be it for Israelis. As for the Arabs? they don't sem to care about the futures of their children and will also continue on the same path...a pathetic existence of poverty and hatred. Build the country up, support the Hezbozos, fire a few rockets and then get slapped around again. Slow learners.

http://www.dubaicityguide.com/main/index.asp

Hey athabaska you should take a trip to Dubai and learn about how some Arabs live. This makes Canadians look about as developed as neanderthals.

 

[athabaska]

As a petroleum geologist I've been to the Gulf States, Saudi Arabia and earlier in life (1981) as a soldier to Egypt and the Golan heights.

Take your trip. Just be sure you aren't a woman, Jew or have a desire to express yourself in anything but platitudes.hide those Islamic cartoons and you'll fit right in. Good God!!! Is that a woman driving that car?

 

[Finder]

"Both sides, both Isreal and Hezbollah are doing this out of Revenge and self defence, and both sides will not listen to each other."

Probably true. No skin off the noses of most Israelis. Their children lead more or less a western standard of living. Good health care. Good education. Swimming lessons. Ipods. A nation of Nobel Pize Laureates, advaced cutting edge technology, communications and so on.

The status quo isn't all that bad for them. Jews keep moving to Israel and bring innovation, education and wealth.

If nothing changes then so be it for Israelis. As for the Arabs? they don't sem to care about the futures of their children and will also continue on the same path...a pathetic existence of poverty and hatred. Build the country up, support the Hezbozos, fire a few rockets and then get slapped around again. Slow learners.

Well the Isrealites may have their ipods and their Torras on their PDA's, but they also have unguided missles falling on them, their nabours getting more and more pissed off at them and no sign of these conflics ever cooling off. If they want to live in peace they will have to stop acting as if Isreal and disputed area's are their manifest destiny and start really talking to their nabours as equals. If not they may have an armed fascist like jewish state, but they will not be able to live in peace untill they solve their problems. (blowing up your nabours doesn't do this btw)

 

[Finder]

Well here's some new, news on the situation. Which to many of you nut jobs who don't understand the situation and think Isreal is fighting Lebanon and Lebanon is the enemy, it may confuse you. As Lebanon now says it is prepaired to send 15,000 troops into southern Lebanon.

Now this is good for isreal as it may stop Hezbollah attacks as the area comes under government control. But really this area is used to much social hezbollah control and has a lot of support in the area. Hopefully this will not spark a civil war between factions.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/07/mideast.main/index.html

 

[damngrumpy]

In fact when forces fromLebinon crossed the boarder and took two Israeli soldiers , it was an act of war. Isreal now has the right to respond.
I hope they completely demolish the enemy in this one and take over the entire country of Lebanon if need be. Target civilians yes, hospitals roads food supplies, take out all roads, bridges, fuel depots, and bomb any aid vehicals on the road. If you have the big guns use them and get this thing over with. All Hesbollah has to do is give back the soldiers they took and surrender their weapons.

 

[gopher]

We have gone over this several times but it's worth repeating: it was Israel who threw the first punch and did so more than once ---

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0801/p09s02-coop.html

 

[jimmoyer]

Pretext and context escapes the Gopher.

There had to come a time when Israel had to do
something about the 30,000 rockets of all varieties
amassed by Hezbollah.

You think Hezbollah was not planning a surprise ???

 

[para-dice]

They didn't fire a single rockets until Israel invaded.
Seems the rockets were required for defensive purposes.
What was you point?

Further, the IDF planned this a year ago. And as gopher posted, seems the IDF has been antagonizing Hezbollah for the last year.

So they hit back. Finally. Seems those 2 soldiers were ON LEBANESE SOIL.

We have gone over this several times but it's worth repeating: it was Israel who threw the first punch and did so more than once ---

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0801/p09s02-coop.html

Yea, people are too lazy to read a thread, hence the required repition. Love your posts gopher, keep up the fight for truth!

 

[DurkaDurka]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

They didn't fire a single rockets until Israel invaded.
Seems the rockets were required for defensive purposes.
What was you point?

Further, the IDF planned this a year ago. And as gopher posted, seems the IDF has been antagonizing Hezbollah for the last year.

So they hit back. Finally. Seems those 2 soldiers were ON LEBANESE SOIL.

We have gone over this several times but it's worth repeating: it was Israel who threw the first punch and did so more than once ---

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0801/p09s02-coop.html

Yea, people are too lazy to read a thread, hence the required repition. Love your posts gopher, keep up the fight for truth!

Are you Gopher's echo?

 

[para-dice]

No, just another well informed person.

 

[cortex]

Re: RE: Israel's Response: Self-defense or Revenge?

We have gone over this several times but it's worth repeating: it was Israel who threw the first punch and did so more than once ---

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0801/p09s02-coop.html[/

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Israels failure to comply with UN resolution 242 and many others has rendered it a rogue state.--Subtle but there it is.

 

[cortex]

In fact when forces fromLebinon crossed the boarder and took two Israeli soldiers , it was an act of war. Isreal now has the right to respond.
I hope they completely demolish the enemy in this one and take over the entire country of Lebanon if need be. Target civilians yes, hospitals roads food supplies, take out all roads, bridges, fuel depots, and bomb any aid vehicals on the road. If you have the big guns use them and get this thing over with. All Hesbollah has to do is give back the soldiers they took and surrender their weapons.

Interesting rant and while we are wishing for things. I wish that the city in which you live be nuked! all you have to do is STOP supporting terrorists!