CDNBear- Thanks for the link referring to something which happened over 60 years in the past. Perhaps you don't quite understand that quoting that strengthens my point.
Ahh yes, but its effects are long lasting. If you turn a blind eye to that, as you said in an earlier post, you're uninformed. If you read on through that thread you will find that the very leaders of todays Arab nazi's are the direct run off from the original Arab Brotherhood, a nazi Arab project. And seeing as you and others keep touting that Zionism, a just as antiquated notion, is still alive and opressing, it is a tad hypocritical to think that one still permiates and the other doesn't.
I'm pleased to find that when you are challenged you are capable of understanding that the Israelis do some things which are non-beneficial and unintelligent.
Not only when challenged, don't go patting yourself on the back, I firmly beleive and have stated as such several times, that Isarel causes much of it own grief, by acting outside the law.
My reference to wind in your sails was only a followup on your own comments. But it's interesting to know that you are ex-army. It gives me a better understanding of your motives.
My motives, as LG so rightfully said, are to balance the hyperbole posted by people who read one book and suddenly become experts on the situation.
I'm pleased to hear that you are in favour of the U.N.'s demands being met, because that separates you from the rabid right haters who are under the illlusion that bible prophecy dictates the terms of settlement.
Well thanx, that puts you head and shoulders above some of the rodents. They only seem to think that if I dissagree with the I must be a neokkkon. Irrational at best, delusional is more appropriate.
Yes, I am basing my position and understanding in part on Carter's book and you are being asked to rebut any part of it if you care to do so. Have you read it?
No and I won't either, he isn't going to say anything I haven't already heard aped here, or across the vast waste land of the net. I wouldn't base much of your position in it at any rate. Books by anybody, generally have at least a bit of spin or bias, computers don't write books, so human emotion and bias is not going to be missing from even the most balanced of writings. I'll stick to cold ahrd facts thanx.
If all you care about is an end to the continuing stupidity in the M.E. then we can work together here to that end. If you portray a different agenda then I will be the first to let you know.
Great, I like checks and balances. Lets start with the removal of the Hezbollah and Hamas, then Israel can't claim they are flying recon missions to protect themselves. Then we can play it by ear.
I don't think I am at a misunderstanding of Nazism in the M.E. based on a conversation with Hitler over 60 years ago, but if you can see some importance in pursuing that proposal then I will be happy to talk about it. I suggest we talk about more immediate problems. Extremist views can sometimes be nothing more than a response to untenable living conditions. I think we both agree that the situation for the Palestinian people is untenable, considering you have offered nothing to say otherwise.
It was much more then a conversation with Hitler, it was a transferrence of ideology that still permiates the region. From the like of Saddam to the late Arafat. But I would agree that living conditions do breed agression. So would you condone my people using violence to resolve land claims in North America?
CDNBear and just the facts- The Palestinian people's lack of action is due to their circumstances which takes away their ability to elevate their conditions to being at least livable. Can either of you offer some evidence that they are not attempting to better their lot? I don't think so and I suggest that you are grasping at straws with that.
No we aren't, I feel it's rather hypocritical of you to suggest that as well. You stated that on one side of the wall, Israelis have pools and on the other people go thirsty. So why is it up to Israel to build "palestinian" infrastructure? Are they to inferior to do it themselves, or is their governemnt willing to use them to further a political agenda?
That is at least 'just the facts' is and CDNBear is no more than hoping to pose an intelligent question of his own by resorting to sitting on the shoulders of the bigger dogs. How about you tackle the above question Bear, and I will know that you are not just a tiny yapper. At which time I will apologize for thinking so.
I accept your apology.
L gilbert- No doubt that there have been acts of aggression on both sides but the facts on the ground paint an ugly picture of Zionist apartheid against the Palestinian people. I'm for ending it but that is not the agenda of the Zionists. In fact many of the Zionists freely admit that they consider that the Palestinian people have no right to the land which is theirs and they will just ignore the U.N. demands. The U.S. appears to be backing that agenda, especially under Bush2 as the U.S. is not active in stopping the illegal settlements in the least. Is it surprising when we know that Bush is onside with the agenda of the Zionists and in fact probably believes also that it is prophesied in the bible?
Let me tell you about the facts on the ground...
The real victims here, the people of Lebonan and 'palestine', are being used by their own leaders, being opressed by their own leaders, being killed by fellow Arabs, as well as the Israelis. When the rest of you understand that, then we can move forwords.
Actually I am not too much interested in what the bear believes as I find he is probably more interested in being confrontational as opposed to learning anything about the situation. It's clear to me that he is just parroting what he hears from others because of some anger he seems to have against Arabs (Muslims) whatever.
Well gee thanx, if your not interested and have already made up your mind, what seperates you from the rest of the hypocrits? btw. What makes you so sure of what you say about how I came to my opinion? Perhaps I have been their and seen it. Perhaps I have read more then one book. Perhaps I have based my opinions on more then one biased opinion, hence you being baffled by my position. It is the position of the realist. One who sees that there is injustice, but feels heeping it on one side is hardly realistic, rational or intelligent.
And I think you are wrong that the others don't recognize that there is blame on both sides. It would be pretty silly to suggest that there wasn't but it's equally silly to ignore the facts because you want to align yourselves with the U.S./Zionist agenda. If you didn't and were impartial then others would have little disagreement with you. Maybe it's you who doesn't correctly recognize the position of the others because you are so biased toward Israel.
I think what you see as a bias in facvour of Israel, is our frustration with the agenda of hate we see perpetrated by those that claim they want peace, but fail to
equaly recognize both evils.
Suffice to say that we both appear to want to see the UNSC resolutions carried out and it's hard to argue that the U.S. and the Zionists are the stumbling blocks to that.
As log as you keep touting the Zionist agenda, and denying the fact that there is a nazi influence in the Arab world, you are in fact showing a bias. I think that the stumbling blocks are the US agenda, the 'kill them first' mentality of the Israelis and the nazi program at foot in the surrounding Arab neighbours. If you agree to that, then you are not bias.
``` Isn't it us anti-war, pro-peace, pro-solution to the problem people who are supposed to be the Jew hating racists?```
That's a somewhat popular notion promoted by pro-war, war profiteering hatemongers. But do a Google search on 'liberal Jewish anti-Zionist websites' or any similar subject and you will find thousands of people and groupings. As I stated previously, over my many years I have known far more anti-Zionist Jews in NYC than pro-Zionist types. The liberal Jews oppose it because they want peace, the conservative or Orthodox practitioners because Zionism is anti-biblical.
Now that I can agree with...
Have you seen my thread about 300 websites, 300 lies?
